The As-A-Jews Who Want Israelis Arrested at Heathrow on Trumped-Up Charges

Dan Judelson blogs here on occasion. This blows his credibility right out of the water.

For shame.

Dan Judelson blogs here on occasion. This blows his credibility right out of the water.

I wasn't aware he had any!

This Amber/JoseAmth double act is just to funny

Armchair Quaterback Still an irrelevancy.

They are in good company along with our "friend" Jenny Tonge;
What do those "as-a-Jews" get off on?
Perhaps an experienced Psychiatrist could give a better answer than I can.

As the psychiatrist said to his wife in Fawlty Towers on encountering a saucepan-wielding Basil astride Manuel: "There's enough material there for an entire conference!"

Alexei Sayle?? Gutted!

Why can't comedians just stick to being funny? Why do they have to ram their politics down our throats?

Why is an opinion a 'roll of shame'? If the signatories of this letter believe in what they have put their name to then that is their opinion. It's also an opinion shared many, many other people including over 100 MPs who signed an EDM

Crimes are regularly committed against Palestinians in the West Bank and in Gaza. In fact the whole situation in Gaza is a huge crime without parallel anywhere else in the world as is recognised as such by the whole world including the UK and the US. The signatories of the letter support Palestinians human rights. That is their right and it is the duty of any one who supports the rights of the oppressed and the occupied.
It has nothing to do with anti Semitism.

Please don't feed the troll.

It has nothing to do with anti Semitism.

That is exactly what the anti-Dreyfus said! To answer these people, Zola wrote "J'accuse".

It was also an opinion, and he was condemned for it. But it had one quality that your propaganda will never have: it was right!

Armchair Quaterback Still an irrelevancy.

What else, Advis3r. That is the best these antisemites can do.

Isn't Alexi Sayle Jewish? He supports the PSC so he must be of the opinion that supporting Palestinian human rights does not equate with anti semitism.
B'tslem, an Israeli organisation, also supports Palestinian human rights as do Breaking the Silence and the Israel Committee against House Demolitions and Gush Shalom. So how can it be anti semitic to support the rights of the occupied Palestinians?

And for the education of our antisemitic troll, here is the English translation of Zola's "Jaccuse".

Long, but so beautiful! And so aptly describing the debate against Israel.

By the way, some Jews were anti-Deyfus, don't you know that newsmax? I forgot: it is a fact... And facts are of no interest to you.

And a number of ultra-lefties were also anti-Dreyfus...

So Dreyfus couldn't be a victim of antisemitism, according to the same 'reasoning' as our troll newsmax !

Bright! I must say... Bright!

Benjamin Zephaniah also signed the letter in the Guardian.
Now he is a great man! (I wonder if he is 'an anti - semitic troll')
There are quite a few jewish people who signed the letter. Are they all 'trolls'?

It's not difficult suspected criminals should be arrested and investigated and if appropriate prosecuted be they street corner yobs or Iaraeli politicians or soldiers

It's not difficult suspected criminals should be arrested

IThen let's arrest George Bush and Barack Obama. They are suspected to have ordered the killing of thousands in Afghanistan and Iran.
Let's arrest Ahmadinejad who kills daily and is criminally violating NPT.

Armchair, you're too funny! But you use double standards.

And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.

There are quite a few jewish people who signed the letter.

Quite a few stupids in the Jewish community, too. Or do you think all Jews have a 140 IQ? That would really be double standards!

Let some troll explain how the fact that there were some anti-Dreyfus Jews proves that Dreyfus was not a victim of antisemitism...

The sophism is known as non sequitur.

So they are not ‘trolls’ but 'stupids' (sic) How does IQ influence one's opinion? Oh, on second thoughts I think I understand how.

The troll is you newsmax. The stupids are those who signed stupid letters. IQ does not influence opinions, stupid. But those who do stupid things are more likely to have a low one.
You understand all in the reverse way. On second thoughts, you are exactly as in the first ones.

Newsmax fails to see the difference between misguided, ill-informed yet well meaning people and malicious Jew haters.

I will explain the difference: The former can be reasoned with, the latter cannot and the best thing society can do to protect itself from their poison is to ship them to Tehran, where they will undoubtedly receive a hero's welcome.

Newsmax proves again and again that he belongs in the latter camp.

Four reasons why the Government is taking the wrong approach on UJ

1. Requiring the prior consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) will make it very unlikely that any war crimes suspect visiting the UK will ever be arrested. By the time the DPP has taken a decision, the suspect will have left the country. If we want the law to be effective, we should leave it to a judge. We know they can act quickly.

2. It’s very hard to get an arrest warrant under the current law. There have to be affidavits from victims; substantial evidence against the suspect that, if uncontradicted, could lead to a conviction and it has to be heard by a specialist senior judge in Westminster. There has been no case of anyone has been arrested on “flimsy” evidence or for “politically motivated” reasons.

3. Universal jurisdiction has no effect on our ability to broker peace negotiations in the Middle East or anywhere else. Some ministers and all diplomats are immune from arrest as of right. Others can be given
immunity.

4. We should not let the government of another country bully us into changing an ancient liberty of citizens to seek an arrest under universal jurisdiction. We use universal jurisdiction to arrest Bosnians, Serbs and Rwandans suspected of grave crimes. How can we use it against them, but not allow it to be used against Israelis?

Over 70 Labour MPs are supporters of Labour Friends of Palestine & the Middle East and over 110 MPs, including 71 Labour and 31 Liberal Democrat, have signed a parliamentary motion promising to oppose any legislation to restrict universal jurisdiction. Among the Liberal Democrats are former leaders Charles Kennedy and Menzies Campbell and party deputy leader Simon Hughes.

The similarity with the Dreyfus affair is striking. We have the same divide of right-wing and ultra-left antisemites, some brainwashed Jews and only the vast majority of Jews to defend Israel, which is unfortunately a very little minority in the world.

You know, that is not new. La Fontaine also had a fable for this case.

The only reason the (suicidal, incompetent, verging on demented) far-left opposes changes to universal jurisdictional is because they will no longer be able to exploit a loophole in the law which allows them to embarrass the government and wreck British relations with Israel.

The rest is just fluff. Nobody is fooled.

This says it all:

http://thejc.com/blogpost/universal-jurisdiction-other-view

Four reasons why the Government is taking the wrong approach on UJ

By the way, all these four reasons seems very good reasons to change the UJ. And you know what? That's why they did it!

The good thing is that UJ will no more be abused.

Now, let's talk about a case that will interest certainly those who wanted UJ to stay as it was. I speak of course of the case of Omar al Bashir, the genocider of Darfur.

How our local antisemites will react when they know that this (real, this time) genocider can go freely in all the Muslim countries that they are unable to criticise?

Al Bashir has visited Egypt and Qatar without any trouble.
When have our local antisemites criticised Egypt and Qatar for not carrying out ICC arrest warrant?

Oh dear. Someone here thinks a Jew can't be antisemitic. What a mind!

By the way, Zephaniah was a great fan of Arafat meeting him and embracing him on several occasions - Arafat - the man who stole 1 billion in aid and left the legacy of modern terrorism to the world, with more Jewish blood on his hands than anyone since the Nazis.

What a great man indeed!

Oh dear. Someone here thinks a Jew can't be antisemitic.

It's even worse, Amber. They think that, because among the crowd there are brainwashed Jews, it protects the rest from being antisemites!

That's an incredible step forward. Imagine there was one Jew among millions of Nazis, that would prevent the Nazis from being accused of antisemitism. Isn't that great?

This category of sophisms is called non sequitur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

Armchair, you're too funny! But you use double standards.
And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism

not at all i would arrest em all along with lieberman and bibi And livni and the right honourable Nicholas Clegg MP

And i have to say Posner you don't seem to have a very high opinion of jews

More incomprehensible and inconsequential rablings from armchair.

Who is Posner ?

not at all i would arrest em all along with lieberman and bibi And livni and the right honourable Nicholas Clegg MP

All of them in prison. But then, who would pay for you welfare check?
Do you know that arresting abusively people is a sure sign of a fascist regime? Sure, look in History: there are plenty of examples for you to check that statement.

not at all i would arrest em all along with lieberman and bibi And livni and the right honourable Nicholas Clegg MP

So Armchair wants to arrest anyone who disagrees with him.

That sounds a lot like fascism to me.

In fact this post is a prime example of why UJ needed to be changed.

Right on it, Matt! A law that allows anyone to be arrested arbitrarily is all what is needed to start a fascist regime.

We know perfectly well who's talking in support of it. And they fool no one.

no Matt I want to arrest suspected criminalsand investigate them including politicians who break electoral law by lying to their constituents in the course of an election campaign.

Matt you are not seriously suggesting that the arrest and investigation of suspected war crimials is " fascist".

This is still a country in which the rule of law and innocence presumption prevails ( even if the Brighton cops have difficulty grasping the point )

Anyone arrested at Heathrow would be properly and fairly investigated and only brought to trial if the evidence justified it. And they would have the benefit of their case coming before a jury of twelve good men and women true and would only be convicted if the prosecution proved its case beyond all reasonable doubt. This is fascism ?

And of course they would only be arrested in the first place if a magistrate felt that there was sufficient prima facie evidence to justify the issue of a warrant.

So what do these people have to fear ?

It couldn't possibly be ........ no let's not go there

And before you say it..............General Pinochet was a jew ?

Newsmax, what drivel you do write.
Someone like Norman Bathtub would arrest any visiting Israeli just for the fun of it, and because the odious Lucas asked him to do it.

Ancient liberty, eh? Do change your medication.

Matt, do you really imagine that someone like Sayle and his sickening friends can be reasoned with?

"Among the Liberal Democrats are former leaders Charles Kennedy and Menzies Campbell and party deputy leader Simon Hughes"

An incompetent drunk, a deranged Israel-hater and a hypocritical tosser.
Says it all.

no Matt I want to arrest suspected criminalsand investigate them including politicians who break electoral law by lying to their constituents in the course of an election campaign.

Then Abbas and Haniyeh should be arrested. Abbas has confiscated power and extended his term by two years, that is one year more than PA 'Constitution' authorises him.
Haniyeh has seized power by force in Gaza, authorises daily attack on civilians of a UN member and keep hostage an Israeli-French prisoner of war, violating every Geneva Convention. Additionally, he prevents any election in Gaza.
Ahmadinejad should be arrested too. He is suspected of a number of murders of opponents, and support terrorist organisations Hezbollah and HAMAS.
The Saudi king is guilty of multiple violations of human rights.
Syria's Assad is helping terrorist organisations Hezbollah and HAMAS, is suspected of assassinating Hariri and has been hosting a number of former German Nazi leaders.
Etc.

Show us your double standards again, please.

Double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.

Matt you are not seriously suggesting that the arrest and investigation of suspected war crimials is " fascist".

War criminals? Why do you need UJ to do that? See Al Bashir? He was indicted through normal channels, not UJ. UJ is just a way to bother Israel. No other country, no other leaders were ever bothered with UJ.

Double standards, Armchair, are a sure sign of antisemitism.

And of course they would only be arrested in the first place if a magistrate felt that there was sufficient prima facie evidence to justify the issue of a warrant.

So it requires only one antisemitic magistrate to issue a warrant...

Very bright, Armchair! How many other countries are presently targeted by UJ? China? No! Iran? No! Sudan? Not needed, Al Bashir is already indicted. Turkey? No! Burma? No!

Tell us, Armchair? Why would anyone need UJ except to use on Israel? And remember that double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.

And before you say it..............General Pinochet was a jew ?

Pinochet has avoided any trouble with UJ, got back to his country and was miraculously cured...
And he was not in power anymore, so he had no immunity and could be indicted by anyone. Israelis are the only ones that are targeted by UJ. All other countries do very well without it.