So why shouldn't Jews hate Germans?


By Miriam Shaviv
February 1, 2010
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Anthony Julius's new book on antisemitism contains a couple of paragraphs about his most famous client, Princess Diana:

"She was under-educated in the approved style of her class and gender… she had a strong desire to please, to leave her interlocutor happy, but often without understanding what that person was about.

"She was interested in Jews, but had no idea about them – she was happy to take Jews to be hostile to everything to which she herself was hostile. She once said to me that she should never have married into a German family."

Melanie McDonagh comments in the Telegraph:

He's right about the Princess being poorly educated – she didn't get a single O-level at her expensive school; her brother Charles got to Oxford from his (Eton).

But that remark about her wanting to say what her interlocutor wanted to hear, followed by the bombshell that she should never have married into a German family – what does that tell us? That she felt that Mr Julius, being Jewish, was anti-German, even if the Teutonic taint was, by the Prince of Wales's time, a few generations removed?

It doesn't seem to cross Mr Julius's mind that this remark was unworthy of either of them. He might have mildly pointed out that, although Jewish, he was not prejudiced against the German nation. He might have said that the Windsors were hardly German now, or even that it is unreasonable to equate being German with being Nazi, for that was the implication.

Of course, he might have felt it wasn't his job to do so, but one of the points of his book is that anti-Semitism – that is, racism – should be challenged, whether discreet or explicit.

First of all, Julius's text makes it quite clear that he does, in fact, dissociate himself from Diana's remark - he says Diana had "no idea" about Jews and that she just assumed Jews were hostile to the things to which she was hostile - ie, her assumption was wrong.

But what I really find silly here is the self-righteous implication that Good Jews are not "prejudiced against the German nation". We must all be sensible and reasonable and make it clear that we don't hold anything against the Germans, otherwise we are horrible racists.

Dear Ms McDonagh: the Germans killed six million Jews within living memory. I'm not sure how many Jews really are prejudiced against the German nation; I don't think most are (I seem to recall a survey, recently, which showed that Israelis in particular have surprisingly positive feelings towards Germans today). But if there are Jews out there who hate "the Germans", can you really blame them? Don't you think it is a normal and natural emotional reaction to the genocide of a people?

In the face of such a national (and often personal) trauma, the polite conventions of political correctness are simply irrelevant. 

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Jonathan Hoffman

1 February, 2010 - 14:50

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Dear Ms McDonagh

Thank you for exemplifying the 'Jews can't win' maxim.

Antisemitism is irrational.

Ambivalent feelings of Jews towards Germans and Austrians because of the Holocaust is perfectly rational.

To equate the two fits neatly into the 'false moral equivalence' leitmotiv of the age.


Blacklisted Dictator

1 February, 2010 - 15:10

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Miriam,
Whatever one feels about The Hun, one has to take a dose of pragmatism.

It seems to me that Angela Merkel is Israel's only ally. So if we rejekt The Krauts, we will really be out there on our own.

Kindov ironik?


moshetzarfati2

1 February, 2010 - 15:15

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Mr B Dictator, not one but two derogatory comments about our German allies. And all in the space of two sentences...


Blacklisted Dictator

1 February, 2010 - 15:47

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Kindov ironik?


Jonathan Hoffman

1 February, 2010 - 16:01

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Actually the Germans understand better than anyone the ambivalent feelings of Jews towards Germans, not least because their education about the Holocaust is so good. Go to Wannsee any day during school termtime and you will see at least 4 school buses outside.

They certainly understand it better than Melanie McDonagh...........


Blacklisted Dictator

1 February, 2010 - 16:19

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Of course, the real problem is lumping all Germans together. I think that they have very different attitudes towards Israel and their Nazi past.

The issues are extremely complex. it makes no sense to be prejudiced against an entire nation, especially when some of them are true friends.


Jonathan Hoffman

1 February, 2010 - 16:50

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Miriam

What comes next in McDonagh's article is possibly even more crass:

If Britain is divided now in creed and ethnicity, the real antagonism, the new Them and Us, is Judaeo-Christian values versus a fundamentalist kind of Islam and the people who espouse it. If that is the divide, Mr Julius is on the Establishment side of it.


moshetzarfati2

1 February, 2010 - 17:01

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Mr B Dictator

I think that they have very different attitudes towards Israel and their Nazi past.

You might want to rephrase that or Jonathan might start calling you an antisemite... And you don't want that


Jonathan Hoffman

1 February, 2010 - 17:08

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Look at these three comments in the online Telegraph below the article:

Anthony Julius, another Julius betrayed a few people, his name was CAESAR!. (he did it for gain also!)

Julius to make money by BETRAYING a clients confidentiality is DAMN right offensive!.

I am appalled any solicitor would breach the confidences of a client, especially a dead one. Further Mr. Julius is well aware that the nuanced anti-semitism of our childhoods and youth has, thankfully, virtually disappeared. As an reasonably well educated, middle aged Jew with a quite obviously Jewish name, living in a part of the country with a tiny Jewish presence and dealing on a business level with mostly highly educated Gentiles, I am at least as able as Mr Julius to sense anti-semitic comments no matter how subtle. It just really doesn't happen anymore.


Blacklisted Dictator

1 February, 2010 - 17:12

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Mt grammar might be at fault. This might be clearer...

I think that they have very different attitudes, both towards Israel and their Nazi past.


Blacklisted Dictator

1 February, 2010 - 17:14

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typo...
My grammar


moshetzarfati2

1 February, 2010 - 17:17

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Goodness, Jonathan, will you be setting up Telegraphwatch?


Blacklisted Dictator

1 February, 2010 - 17:21

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The most ridiculous underlying tenet of McDonagh's argument is that it would have really been right and proper for Julius to lecture his client (The Princess of Wales!) on her anti-German sentiments.
Julius was somehow obliged to show his anti-racist credentails at all times.
I have to conclude that McDonagh is either stupid or insane. Probably both.

"Of course, he might have felt it wasn't his job to do so, but one of the points of his book is that anti-Semitism – that is, racism – should be challenged, whether discreet or explicit." (McDonagh)


Jonathan Hoffman

1 February, 2010 - 17:44

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Trollwatch


moshetzarfati2

1 February, 2010 - 19:51

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And, Hoffman, there was me thinking you'd be off to SOAS to shout at David Newman.


Jonathan Hoffman

1 February, 2010 - 20:21

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I spotted one!


tomeisner2

1 February, 2010 - 20:56

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My grandparents were born in Germany and the saddest thing for my poor grandmother who loved everything German was having to leave the world's musical centre and come to Das Land ohne Musik in 1939.

She was a singer in her early life and Wagner was one of her favourite composers. Her father played cards with her other hero Richard Strauss.

The tragedy was that they didn't really consider themselves truly Jewish. They celebrated Xmas etc. Of course as we know this wasn't good enough for Adolf!

I suppose I have inherited her love of Germany and certainly being a musician I am often there on tour and always look forward to going there.
One thing that is not often spoken about is that the Germans lost 8,000,000 of their own in ww2


vortigern

1 February, 2010 - 21:17

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Dear Ms Shaviv, the principal architects - and indeed many of their subordinates and cronies - of the Bolshevik revolution, the 'Red Terror' which followed, and the purges of the 1920s and 1930s (all of which preceded the disasters of WWII) were largely Jewish, part-Jewish or, interestingly, had to have Jewish wives [assumably to make up for not being Jewish themselves] (read historians De Montifiore, Bayfield and others). Millions of innocent Russian, Ukrainian and other lives were thrown away in deportations, genocides, famines and bestial atrocities ordered and committed by these criminals.

Clearly, 'we must all be sensible and reasonable and make it clear that we don't hold anything against the Jews (sic), otherwise we are horrible racists ..... but if there are good people out there who hate "the Jews"(sic), can you really blame them? Don't you think it is a normal and natural emotional reaction to the genocide of peoples?'

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