Shame on the Methodists

Yep and it's on their website:

http://www.methodist.org.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=opentogod.newsDetail&ne...

Very sad to see they went ahead with this. Presumably like the Unite boycott it doesn't carry any weight and individual Methodists are still free to buy whatever goods they like, but the statement itself is significant.

How democratic was the vote? How many people actually turned up to vote? Quite often these kind of things are arranged on days when the organisers know that most people won't show up.

Boycotts against Jewish businesses in Judea and Samaria are morally wrong and utterly counter-productive. I just cannot imagine how someone of faith can endorse such a thing without some extremely warped thinking.

Judging by the speed of the Twitter report there was *NO DEBATE* whatsoever. They did not allow any pro-Israel speakers who were not Conference Delegates. this is a stich-up, just like the TUC vote last year was a stitch up.

Seems that the SWP/supercessionist/Islamist alliance of convenience has taken over the Methodists as well........

How many more British institutions will fall prey to this campaign of hatred? It seems we are destroying ourselves from within.

From that statement at mattpryor's link above:

'The Conference also adopted a statement calling for a full arms embargo against all sides in the conflict. “This conflict is further fuelled by partisan support by other countries. Violence from all parties in this conflict must be denounced, and a just peace sought for all peoples living in the region,” said Christine [Elliott, The Secretary for External Relationships]."'

In other words, there is no difference between Hamas and Isael and Jews should not be allowed to defend themselves. And don't you just love this final sentence?

'Methodists across Great Britain are also encouraged to visit the region, write to their MPs and engage in respectful dialogue with Jews and Muslims on this issue.'

Respectful? Yeah, right. I wouldn't spit on a Methodist if she were on fire.

I think it's important to keep some perspective here Joshua. I agree it's disgraceful but I doubt that many Methodists even knew this was going on, let alone took part in the vote.

Maybe we should try and find out?

I don't know any Methodists myself...

Have written to the Reverend in charge of my local Methodist church to ask what's behind this. Will post an update if I get a reply.

Disturbing :S

"I think it's important to keep some perspective here Joshua."

OK, if I do happen to come across a Methodist on fire, I'll be sure to spit on her.

It's simple - the Methodists have aligned themselves with antisemitic Nazi ideology. Shame on them.

"It's simple - the Methodists have aligned themselves with antisemitic Nazi ideology. Shame on them."

Agreed. If they don't know then they bloody well should. As with the law, in such matters it should be a case of ignorantia juris non excusat.

In Australia the Methodists have been bad news re Israel for decades.

"In Australia the Methodists have been bad news re Israel for decades."

It's no better in the U.S.:

The United Methodist Church and Israel

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/the_united_methodist_church_an.ht...

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And guess who has come out in favour of the boycott?

'Ben White, a Methodist supporter if the boycott, said: “This is a clear show of support from Jews and Christians who understand that a real peace for both peoples requires justice. It stands in stark contrast to the disingenuous threat that listening to the call of Christian Palestinians and upholding international law and human rights will damage ‘inter-faith relations’ – on the contrary, inter-faith dialogue is not facilitated by ignoring serious questions about injustice.” '

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/methodists-launch-boycott...

Ben White

http://www.benwhite.org.uk/

That Ben is odious.
And it's time all those men of the cloth were reminded that if it wasn't for the Jews they wouldn't have a job! ;~]

My 'review' of the odious White's odious 'book':

http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/lies-damn-lies-and-the-apartheid-analogy/

Jews must now sever all formal interfaith work and links with the Methodists. Any DCLG Committee where they are represented should not be attended.

I'm saving the Z-Word (love that!) blog to Favourites and will read the review tomorrow, when ze leetle grey cells can do it the justice it deserves.

video of the (non) debate:

http://tinyurl.com/32m45hn

54.55 Christine Elliott says that this is a 'Methodist Report'. "It was not intended to consult widely" I see -so they accept the report was biased.

"We greatly value positive relationships with our Jewish brothers". What a load of hypocritical cant.

The Chief Rabbi has assured us of his prayers and we wish to assure him of our prayers". More hypocritical cant.

65.20 The speaker says that the authorship of the Report was a stitch-up.

"Severe doubts in Council"

67.33 Steven Leah's speech is a pack of lies.

67.50 "Jewish groups were in support". Well done, the useful as-a-Jew idiots.

69.14 'as-a-Jew'

76.40 A Council of Christians and Jews member supports the Report

(contd)

86.50 The speaker says he could not hold an international conference on Downs Syndrome in Israel today. How ignorant!

There is a long history of anti-Semitism in Methodism. Indeed, the founder of Methodism, John Wesley, was a vicious anti-Semite. From "A Concise History of American Antisemitism":

"An early visitor to Georgia was John Wesley, later founder of Methodism, who said of the Jews:

Outcasts from thee, and scattered wide
Blaspheming who they crucified
Unsaved, unpitied, unforgiven
Branded like Cain, they bear their load
Abhorred of men, and cursed of God

Wesley's language grew more violent when he declaimed on the Jewish adherence to the Torah: 'What stupidity, what senselessness must it be for such an unclean, guilty helpless worm as this [the Jew], to dream of seeking acceptance by his own righteousness, of living by the righteousness which is of the law!' "

http://tinyurl.com/22vhyk3

90:00 He wants a vote to accept the right of Israel to exist in peace and security! How generous - do they accept the right of France to exist in peace and security?

103.36 An idiot makes the apartheid comparison

105:00 Does she not realise that the Christian population of Gaza has disappeared and that much of the Christian population of Judea/Samaria has moved away?

The boycott resolution is almost by-the-by. More serious was the acceptance as a policy platform of a report that was not simply historically illiterate, but deliberately misleading - no surprise given its authorship and the ploys used to supress criticism along the way. The Methodists have said that Zionism is illegitimate and antisemitism is not their problem.

116.22 Graham Carter the Chair of the Group who wrote the Report says he wants to hold out the hand of friendship to the Jewish Community - wants to "engage in respectful dialogue".

Yeah right....Judas

119:00 The boycott (of goods made/grown by Jews in Judea and Samaria) motion. Two hands can be seen voting against a boycott. The chairman says it is clearly carried.

JH: '"The Chief Rabbi has assured us of his prayers and we wish to assure him of our prayers". More hypocritical cant.'

Jonathan, for a moment there, I thought you were calling the Chief Rabbi a hypocritical c*nt ...

124:00 They sing a hymn!

I have not seen such a load of misinformed hypocritical Israel-demonising cant since the TUC 'debate' on Israel at the Conference last year....

Can someone point out where, in the report or in the resolution, there is anything suggesting that Zionism is illegitimate?

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/33315/chief-rabbi-slams-methodist-repo...

Jonathan, more c*nts, you really should watch your language.

Freda Keet, the well-know radio journalist, replied to a letter in the Jerusalem Post by the father of one of the Gaza flotilla participants. She asked the following

1) Has she ever organized, helped or encouraged any form of aid-convoy/flotilla to, for example, the Eastern Congo, where the agony of its people is beyond words. Where the rape of women is constant and brutal, and tens of thousands of women are left mentally and physically torn apart?. Children live in terror and any aid is either sporadic or non-existent? True it is a dangerous place to go to , but surely for a young woman and her co-workers of such deep "compassion" and "resolve" this should not be a problem,?

2)The same for Darfur where the violence and deprivation have been going on now for years with the full knowledge of the world and its compassionate "aid warriors" When the men are asked why they don't go out of the relative safety of the camps themselves to collect the firewood instead of sending the women ( a ludicrous idea in view of the general attitude to "men's work" and the place of women in African society ), the men reply "If we go out we are killed, if the women go out they are only raped"!

3) On the border between Somalia and Kenya is one of the largest refugee camps in the world, well over 300 thousand people, desperate refugees who have fled the savagery of Somalia, living in total isolation squalor and deprivation. There is little or no aid for them, and they are the abandoned, the "Le Miserables" of the world, with no hope and just a few brave aid workers trying fruitlessly and helplessly to offer support.

These same questions should be directed to the Methodists - hypocrites extraordinaire.

Lord Jonathan Sacks (the Chief Rabbi) will of course be condemning this Methodist viote in the strongest possible terms.

Notwithstanding the fact that he seems only to have spoken in one Debate in the House of Lords since he was ennobled..........

http://tinyurl.com/352s68o

Might be an idea if The Chief Rabbi informs the Methodists that Jesus is not The Messiah. He should put these Christians straight.

Much better than wasting his time praying for the Methodists.