Sedition at Ben Gurion University: Parents start to vote with their feet


By Jonathan Hoffman
January 18, 2011
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We, too, will make use of our right to freedom of speech. We will send this letter to the Minister of Education and to the Chairman of the Knesset's Education Committee, we will send this letter out in mass circulation and we will declare that we will not send our children to an academic institute that silences Zionist mouths, incites against the IDF, drips poison and preaches destruction.

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mattpryor

Tue, 01/18/2011 - 14:18

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Good, about time people started doing something about this situation.


jose (not verified)

Tue, 01/18/2011 - 14:30

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Fantastic! I checked the address book and the family is there all right, so it doesn't look like a fake.


Yoni1

Tue, 01/18/2011 - 15:05

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I for one, will be phoning and emailing the chancellor of BGU to express my contempt also. Please do the same. It's called synergy.


zair (not verified)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 14:06

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Are the parents advocating a boycott of an academic institution? Mr Hoffman, I wonder if you could pass on the details of this noble organisation? www.bricup.org.uk, it might help in their campaign.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 14:11

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Are the parents advocating a boycott of an academic institution?

No, they just put their children where they have a chance to get a better education. See the difference, antisemite zair?


mattpryor

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 14:17

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By the way, "Bricup" is owned and run by:

Steven Rose
Emeritus Professor
Department of Life Sciences
The Open University
MILTON KEYNES
MK7 6AA
UK
TEL +44 (0) 1908 652125
FAX +44 (0) 1908 654167

In case anyone wants to have a word with him.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 14:19

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Perhaps its time for you people to removing your fingers from where they are now and start sticking them in the holes in the dyke.
You seem to be blissfully unaware that it is all slipping away from you, and instead of dealing with the causees you moan about the effects. A good start would be to mobilise opinion in your Zionist sub-culture against Israeli racism (hard to do I know since it is at the core of it all) Then perhaps you could cling on to the occupation for a few years longer.
Start thinking about whether you want to see more articles like this.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70H3VV20110118


mattpryor

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 14:27

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Russia also supports Argentinian sovereignty over the Falklands. So, incidentally, does the Palestinian Authority. Do you?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 14:38

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http://www.bricup.org.uk/documents/MundyJC.pdf

And here is the fair and balanced report in the JC:
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/43726/jewish-leader-threatened-lse-isr...

On can easily see that Mundy was not defamed and that the incident was fairly reported.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 15:20

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But it isn't just Russia! (though you should certainly be very worried that Russia is speaking out about the occupation) it is a growing movement in Latin America too, where seven states so far have spoken out against the oppression of Palestine.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/guyana-becomes-7th-south-a...

Soon you will see similar developments in Europe.
You had better pull the blanket more tightly over your heads.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 15:34

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(though you should certainly be very worried that Russia is speaking out about the occupation

The occupation of Chechnya? Medvedev didn't speak about it at all... Neither did the double-standard applying Waterdrop, by the way. And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.

Waterdrop is a bit superstitious: he thinks that announcing the 'victory' many times, will bring it about. You know, like the army of Joshua around Jericho.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:27

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Mattpryor has posted the work address and telephone number of Stephen Rose and invited people to make contact. He did so knowing that people on this site regularly make postings couched in hate language, often with foul abuse and unfounded accusations of antisemitism.
Professor Rose is a distinguished scholar, writer and broadcaster with an international reputation for his humanitarian work. None of us are fit to lick his boots, least of all Matt Pryor.
I hope that Mr. Hoffman, whose blog this is, will dissociate himself from Matt Pryor's shameful message.
I don't suppose the facts are a major consideration for Matt Pryor, but Professr Rose, who is an elderly man, does not "own" BRICUP and has not worked with it for a number of years


Yoni1

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:30

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ROFL. This, from the non-stop hate spewer jez.


Yoni1

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:32

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"it is a growing movement in Latin America too, where seven states so far have spoken out against the oppression of Palestine"

Has nobody told you that there isn't such a place, halfit?


Yoni1

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:37

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Rose is a seriously vile little shit. I watched him on TV a few years ago screeching about Israel, the worst country since at least the early Mesozoic era. He was, quite literally, spittle-flecked and swivel-eyed, as demented and deranged as anyone I have ever seen on TV.


mattpryor

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:43

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Re Professor Rose: I think you'll find that his contact details are publicly available on the Open University website, and he has his own wikipedia page providing details of his political interests re the middle east. Judging by your outrage anyone would think it's a guilty secret!


amber

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 23:07

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Matt, people like waterman and the extreme left generally think it is solely their right to protest and complain.

Waterman, I think you'll find the violence comes from oner side, the Left/Islamist alliance.

Just ask Theo van Gogh.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 10:08

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Mattpryor, you posted Professor Roses' details and invited people to contact him when you know perfectly well that that extremist read and write this blog, and at least one of them seems to be very disturbed. Do not pretend you motives were anything other than very unpleasant

Amber. The operation Dalet (the ethnic cleansing of 48, 49) Sabra and Shatila, the 18000 dead in Lebanon in the 80's and thousands more since, the 1400 dead in Gaza, and much more all passed you by, and you see only Islamic extremism
Israel is a beserker racist state, otherwise is could never throw up horrors like this

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/01/12/israels-orthodox...

"Palestinians to the ovens". Substitute the word Jews for Palestinians and you will understand the genesis of all this hate, and these views raise no comment in Israel, no denunciations, no arrests for race-hate crimes.
The Palestinians are the last victims of the holocaust. Zionist extremists like those who post here are the caretakers of Israeli extremism, when the only long term hope for Israel is moderation. Though you do not know it, you are enemies of Israel


jose (not verified)

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 10:38

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Mattpryor has posted the work address and telephone number of Stephen Rose and invited people to make contact. He did so knowing that people on this site regularly make postings couched in hate language, often with foul abuse and unfounded accusations of antisemitism.

Unfounded? Where do you see any unfounded accusation, antisemite Waterdrop?

Hate language there is: mostly yours, propmax's and Walinuts's. Red herrings by Wheelchair, Myopic et alli.

The operation Dalet

Remember that the butchers of Sabra and Chatila were Christians? Why do you want to involve an Israeli operation in that? And how can it be an ethnic cleansing since both the victims and the butchers were Arabs? Do you realise that your writing is just plain antisemitism and hatemongering, Waterdrop?

Israel is a beserker racist state

This falls under the working definition of antisemitism. You are an plain antisemite, Waterdrop.

The Palestinians are the last victims of the holocaust.

This also falls under the working definition of antisemitism. You are a plain antisemite, Waterdrop.

Though you do not know it, you are enemies of Israel

With friends like you, Israel needs no enemies.


jose (not verified)

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 11:03

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And please read about the blood libel re-asserted in the same rag that antisemite Waterdrop quoted:
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2011/01/20/more-idf-lies-ab...

This is today's article. The blood libel stupidity is asserted again (CS gas used in open area killing a person for the first time in the history). The conclusions of the investigations again denied without any proof.

Note that the blood libeller pretends that Tsahal said she was treated for 'nerve gas' instead of CS gas, while Tsahal just said she had been given too much atropin, which can also be a treatment for a number of other illnesses, including heart troubles, acute asthma, etc.

Antisemite Waterdrop quote an antisemite website.


amber

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:48

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waterman, your allegations are a blood libel. The Jews did not commit Sabra and Shatilla. You know that, yet you carry on with your blood accusations.

The dead in Gaza? Well, over half of them were Hamas combatants - a ratio far better than achieved by Britain and the US in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Are there Jewish extremists? Yes. Are they significant? No - they form, as you also know, a tiny proportion of Jewish and Israeli opinion. The same can't be said for Arab societies, where antisemitic racism is endemic. Look at Arab media - compare and contrast to Israeli media. They are not the same. Much of the Arab and wider Islamic worlds are in the grip of an antisemitic sickness, with demented conspiracy theories about Jews having wide acceptance. Numerous polls and extensive research is available to view about this. I suggest you avail yourself of it.


amber

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:49

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waterman, your allegations are a blood libel. The Jews did not commit Sabra and Shatilla. You know that, yet you carry on with your blood accusations.

The dead in Gaza? Well, over half of them were Hamas combatants - a ratio far better than achieved by Britain and the US in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Are there Jewish extremists? Yes. Are they significant? No - they form, as you also know, a tiny proportion of Jewish and Israeli opinion. The same can't be said for Arab societies, where antisemitic racism is endemic. Look at Arab media - compare and contrast to Israeli media. They are not the same. Much of the Arab and wider Islamic worlds are in the grip of an antisemitic sickness, with demented conspiracy theories about Jews having wide acceptance. Numerous polls and extensive research is available to view about this. I suggest you avail yourself of it.


amber

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:49

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waterman, your allegations are a blood libel. The Jews did not commit Sabra and Shatilla. You know that, yet you carry on with your blood accusations.

The dead in Gaza? Well, over half of them were Hamas combatants - a ratio far better than achieved by Britain and the US in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Are there Jewish extremists? Yes. Are they significant? No - they form, as you also know, a tiny proportion of Jewish and Israeli opinion. The same can't be said for Arab societies, where antisemitic racism is endemic. Look at Arab media - compare and contrast to Israeli media. They are not the same. Much of the Arab and wider Islamic worlds are in the grip of an antisemitic sickness, with demented conspiracy theories about Jews having wide acceptance. Numerous polls and extensive research is available to view about this. I suggest you avail yourself of it.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 16:21

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Blood Libel ? you are confusing me with Sarah Palin.

The Kahane commission said this about Sabra and Shatila

"The Defence Minister, Ariel Sharon, was found to bear personal responsibility[1] "for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge" and "not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed". Sharon's negligence in protecting the civilian population of Beirut, which had come under Israeli control amounted to a non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defence Minister was charged, and it was recommended that Sharon be dismissed as Defence Minister."

So Sharon was PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE, And that was an ISRAELI commission. The evidence was so clear that despite their best efforts they could not exonerate Sharon totally as they might have wished. Later Israel elected the racist butcher Prime Minister

Sharon aranged for the Phalange militia to commit the massacre. He supervised from the roof of a hotel overlookinhg the two Camps (which are in fact one camp)
The recording still exists of Sharons wireless message saying "our friends are going in". He kept floodlights on all night to help the Phalange massacre the victims.
Some of what Amber says about Arab anti semitism is true. Things like Sabra and Shatila contribute to anti Semitism. Zionism is the real enemy of Jews


jose (not verified)

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 16:45

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Blood Libel ? you are confusing me with Sarah Palin.

I am not confusing you with anyone, Waterdrop. Palin used the word to describe her opponents, not very cleverly as usual.
I used it precisely to describe what you do.

Where does the Kahane commission state that any Israeli operation was involved in an 'ethnic cleansing' that wasn't ethnic? Negligence is not part of an Israeli operation, Waterdrop.

Thanks for confirming that attributing the massacre to Israel is a blood libel.


mattpryor

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 16:46

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Sharon ordered the IDF's Christian allies to go into the camp to take care of the terrorists hiding in there among civilians. He did not order them to commit the massacre, they thought of that on their own.

What you are saying is that he should have foreseen it happening. Well, maybe. But he didn't. But he didn't partake in it and he didn't order it.

So now we've established that, try to put yourself in the position of the commander in such a situation who has to make such decisions once it becomes apparent that a massacre is taking place. I realise that such empathy is difficult for someone like you, but perhaps you could try. What do you do? Do you send in your own troops to fight the Christians (who are your allies)? It's very easy to make moral judgements from the comfort of your computer decades after the event. I somehow suspect that if you had been there you would have been p1ssing your little panties and running for the hills.

There is a good film about it by the way called Waltz With Bashir - I don't suppose you'll watch it though.

Things like Sabra and Shatila contribute to anti Semitism

So says the anti-Semite.

Zionism is the real enemy of Jews

If it weren't for Zionism there would probably be no Jews, you fool.


jose (not verified)

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 16:48

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Things like Sabra and Shatila contribute to anti Semitism.

Attributing to Jews what was committed by Christians is antisemitic, Waterdrop.

There is no enemy of Israel among the Zionists. Only the antisemites (even in tuxedo) are.


Yoni1

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 17:18

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"The Palestinians are the last victims of the holocaust"

More disgusting Nazi crap.


jose (not verified)

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 17:28

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Member of ISM, Waterdrop?


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 18:44

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Glad you brought up the Nazi thing Yoni. Sharon knew that he was working in Beirut with a pro-Fascist party the Phalange (named after Franco's fascist Falange party.) But this is not really news. All through the darkest days of South African Apartheid, Israel worked happily with the Nazi John Vorster, the racist prime minister of SA. They cooperated on Israel's nuclear programme. Loads of other examples. Recently Zionists in Israel had a friendly meeting with EU right wing parties, including East European Nazis.(don't call me a liar or I will post the link) and of course there is the cosy link with the EDL at the Ahava demo, and the BNP claiming to be (and they are right) the most Zionist party in England.


amber

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 19:06

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waterman, the Kahane commission, which you quote, said nothing of the kind. Your allegations that Sharon directed and was personally involved in overseeing the actions of the Phalange is a blood libel. You should be ashamed.

Furthermore, your contention that Jews bring antisemitism on themselves is disgusting in the extreme. You are a moral degenerate waterman.


amber

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 19:11

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waterman, the Palestinian leadership was, and still is, pro-Nazi. Hamas and Hizbollah routiney use Nazi salutes. The Mufti of Jerusalem personally toured Auschwitz, and exhorted Hitler to speed up the process of killing Jews. He also got assurances from Hitler that he would set up a death camp in Nablus for any Jews in Palestine, and that he could establish an Arab state.

So you can choke on your comments that Jews are Nazis - you are a disgrace.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 12:14

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The Blood libel refers to the medieval myth of Jews killing children to make Matzos with the blood. It is very dangerous to start using it as a catchall term of abuse, otherwise you will drain it of meaning. The term anti semitism is devalued every day on this site. People were right to condemn Sarah Palin for claiming the term blood libel to strengthen her weak arguments. Do not make her mistake.

Amber I never said Jews are Nazis. It is childish to try to win an argument by telling lies. Usually when people do not quote their sources, it means they have no sources. So quote your sources.
You are right about the Mufti by the way. Hateful man. You are wrong about Hamas.


amber

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 12:17

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Waterman does his best to equate Jews with Nazis - a clear manifestation of the New Antisemitism. He has also said that Jews bring antisemitism on themselves by their behaviour.

He is a racist and it is disgraceful that he pollutes these blogs with such abhorrent anti-Semitism.


amber

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 12:20

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waterman, what is your source that Sharon stood on the rooftops directing the massacre committed by the Phalangists?


amber

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 12:21

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That itself is a blood libel - and you are guilty of it. Not surprising coming from an anti-Semite.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 12:54

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The Blood libel refers to the medieval myth of Jews killing children

It refers to it, but it has been re-used in many modern forms, such as the Al Dura hoax, the 'Jenin massacre' hoax, the Jawaher Abu Rahmah hoax, etc.

Blood libel is just a way to stir hate against Jews in general and Israelis in particular. Gives a good excuse to antisemitism for hatemongers like Waterdrop.

We don't care what you say, Waterdrop. Antisemitism exist, blood libels are still used by you and your ilk. And we won't stop calling you an antisemite when all you write is antisemitic.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 12:56

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Waterdrop have no proof whatsoever of his blood libel against Sharon. Antisemites need no proof for what they say.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 13:24

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You are wrong about Hamas.

Really? What is this exactly then:

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Maybe that is your conception of Disneyland?

To me, and to all others with a brain, it sounds like a promise for a genocide.


mattpryor

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 14:47

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Waterman doesn't see Hamas's evil nature because he doesn't want to. He'd rather see evil in Jews.


amber

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 15:04

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Jose, you have presented waterman with facts, to which he will be unable to respond. Hence he disappears to continue his allegations against Jews on other threads.

armchair does the same - when it gets detailed, they disappear.


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