Sacks's sensible response to the Davis debate


By telegramsam
November 25, 2010
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I have just seen Chief Rabbi Lord Sack's response to the kerfuffle.

"There is much to be gained by an honest debate within the Jewish community about its attitudes to Israel, so long as as it is made clear throughout that our commitment to the state and its people are unshakeable. Nothing we say should be construed as support for those who seek to delegitimise Israel's right to be or seek its destruction by force."

Seems to me that Lord Sacks is in a very nuanced way pretty much agreeing with Mick Davis. There is much to be gained by an honest debate, without throwing epithets. And obviously showing our concern for the way Israel is going is also showing our unshakeable commitment to the state and its people.
Whatever we or Israel says or does, the delegitimisers will continue to delegitimise. They'll never be satisfied. It's time to adopt and adapt the Ben-Gurion maxim -- it doesn't matter what they say, it matters what we do. And if that means both sides uttering unpleasant truths to each other, so be it. True friends act that way.

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Yoni1

Thu, 11/25/2010 - 21:24

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"Lord Sacks is in a very nuanced way pretty much agreeing with Mick Davis."

As I said before: Sacks is an absurd little man who has decided to join the appeasers and brown-nosers, instead of standing up for his people. Pathetic.


Yehuda Erdman

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 03:04

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telegramsaam
That's a good post. It shos that actually the people coming out on the side of honest debate are the mainstream in Anglo-Jewry and they are also well and truly inside the Zionist camp. Given time and the traditional love of British fair play, this side of the debate will win.
Yoni1
You have to be respectful. Whether or not you believe that the Chief Rabbi plays a leading role in Anglo-Jewry is up to you, but he has earned the right after very long and at times arduous service to the Jewish community in this country to say his piece. You must not resort to ad hominem attacks at the slightest hint of someone not agreeing with your views.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 07:11

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Good friends never pretend that a democratic country like Israel has any "apartheid". They leave that to the worse enemies of democracy and to half-wit idiots.

Nothing we say should be construed as support for those who seek to delegitimise Israel's right to be or seek its destruction by force.

This is an accusation against Davis, by the way.

It seems that those people who pretend Israel has "apartheid" (an unfounded assertion) is just using name-calling, a form of ad hominem, just like Erdman and Tspam who should thus give no lesson here.


Kahina

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 09:35

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Guys, you can debate all you like, but Israeli government is listening to Israeli voters.

When are you all going to get it?


Kahina

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 09:40

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In fact, what don't you set up a new political party? British Jews - Israel Aint't Our Home.


telegramsam

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 09:54

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An excellent point, Kahina. A point well made, too, by A. B. Yehoshua in Haaretz

Zionism is not a concept that is supposed to replace patriotism or pioneering. Patriotism is patriotism, and pioneering is pioneering. An officer who extends his military service, or someone who settles in the Negev, is no more of a Zionist than a grocer in Tel Aviv, but they are perhaps more pioneering or more patriotic, depending on the meanings allotted to these concepts.

The concept of Zionism is dear to us, and therefore it is important that it find expression only in its rightful place: in the difference between us and the Jews of the Diaspora or the exile. The exaggerated and superfluous use of the term also blurs the ethical debate between Jews who have decided to be responsible, for good or for ill, for every aspect of their lives within a defined territory and under self government, and those who live enmeshed in other nations and practice their Jewish identity partially, through study, religious texts and limited communal activities.

Perhaps those, from the left, right and centre, whose communal life is dominated by Israel this and Israel that, should go there, pay its taxes, vote in its elections, have their sons and daughters serve in its military.


mattpryor

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 10:37

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Perhaps those, from the left, right and centre, whose communal life is dominated by Israel this and Israel that, should go there, pay its taxes, vote in its elections, have their sons and daughters serve in its military.

Perhaps anti-Semites like Telegramsam (I do not use the term lightly) who wish to live in a country where there are no voices supporting Israel should go and live in Saudi Arabia.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 12:11

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Iran is the place where Ayatollah tspam should go. Pistacios are not so good, but negationism and their notion of democracy (ie silence all those who disagree with the ruling parties) are values they share with him.

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