PSC created "false and misleading" information: So What's New, No Surprise There


By Jonathan Hoffman
January 16, 2011
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jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 08:30

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What about the stupids who "witnessed" that Ahava products were boycotted?
Again and again, what they present us is propaganda!


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 09:07

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Hi
This is definitely the best spin to put on it if you on on the side of the occupiers. However the facts are the facts. Andy Street, John Lewis Director, confirms in this article that the company have dropped Ahava and here is the quote

"Andy responded to confirm that we no longer sell Ahava products, a decision which had been taken and implemented well before he received the PSC’s letter. This was a purely commercial decision."
I believe him that it is a purely commercial decision, probably related to the illegality of the product.
This success is extremely gratifying for the boycott movement and it is something we can build on. Another large group no longer has Ahava products in its stores. It may be possible to get a statement from them, but the main thing is that the Ahava products are no longer on sale across a huge swathe of the UK. As Maggie said, "Rejoice"


Yoni1

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 09:54

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More Jew-hatred from the usual sickening Jew-hater.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 10:29

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Huh, Waterdrop, while you can believe all silly fairy tales, the statement is:
"To be clear, John Lewis’s decision to no longer stock Ahava beauty products was a commercial decision based solely on the sales performance of the products."

Please try to understand that there is a difference between dreams and reality.


Yoni1

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 10:38

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But Jose, have some pity: if he didn't have his wet dreams he would probably jump off a cliff ...

But then again ...


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:03

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Waterman, your statement above makes no sense. You say that this was a commercial reason, but then go on to say that this was due to the product's alleged "illegality", and a great success for the BDS movement - even though the decision had nothing to do with the BDS movement.

What?


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:11

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Amber, I think these guys prefer their daydreams to the plain reality.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:16

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There is a fable by Jean de la Fontaine:
http://www.musee-jean-de-la-fontaine.fr/jean-de-la-fontaine-fable-uk-71....

It explains how a fly believes that it is making the horses pull the coach...


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:19

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waterman, could you clarify your position here? John Lewis has made clear that the PSC has twisted the facts to suit its own agenda, as detailed in Jonathan's link.

Isn't such dishonesty offensive to you?


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:22

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waterman, could you please respond to my question on the other thread?


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 11:29

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Isn't such dishonesty offensive to you?

That is what I call a rhetorical question, amber!
After all the 'intellectual' dishonesty shown by Waterdrop, simonsam, Walinuts & Co., we ought to know the answer.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:10

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Hello Amber.
I'm not clear what you are asking. Please reproduce the bit you are querying.
If it clears things up at all, I am delighted that Ahava has been dropped. I perfectly well understand why John Lewis are reticent to admit why their real reasons for doing it. It may be (in fact it is likely) that legal advice is that the could be in breach of the law by allowing Ahavas stole goods to be sold in their stores By the way I am not a member of PSC, I know very little about them and I certainly hold no particular brief for them, though they seem to do some good work. I am afraid that if you want a spokesperson for PSC you will have to ask elsewhere

The main thing is that Ahava is off the shelves,they deal in stolen goods and such dishonesty is offensive to me (to quote your own words Amber)


Yoni1

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 12:48

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"they deal in stolen goods and such dishonesty is offensive to me"

I bet some of your best friends are Joos, eh, what?

You are dishonest to the core. Israel is entitled to exploit the Dead Sea, and that is what Jew-haters like you can't stomach: Israel doing well is like poison in your soul.

Well, long may this poison destroy you.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 13:13

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I perfectly well understand why John Lewis are reticent to admit why their real reasons for doing it.

I perfectly understand why they ejected you from primary school! LOL!

Even if one put reality under his nose (which it is) he would not recognise it!


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 14:45

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That the sale of the goods is illegal is certainly one good commercial reason for dropping them

The only other good commercial reason for dropping them that I can think of is that they are crap

I guess we will never know which it is


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:03

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The only other good commercial reason for dropping them that I can think of is that they are crap

You didn't read what was written, Wheelchair? The products underperformed. That is a very good commercial reason.


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:20

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underformed is a polite euphemism for they turned out to be crap

By the way re another thread ...move the arab population to jordan in the east and egypt in the west ...

is that really what you have in mind ?


Jonathan Hoffman

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:22

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John Lewis is entitled to make commercial decisions. One does not go into JL to buy upmarket beaty products, one goes into JL to buy washing-up bowls or buttons.

The point of the article is that the PSC is mendacious to its core. It twists, lies and manipulates.


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:22

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waterman, on whay basis do you claim to speak for John Lewis' "real reason" as you put it? The dishonety here is that highlighted by John Lewis itself, which has said that the PSC has lied in its pronouncements. You claim to have a "rael reason". On what evidence?


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:23

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armchair, that is nonsense. It simply means they weren't selling enough, and may not have anything to do with the product's quality.


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:25

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ha ha ha Yonathan is that why the expense fiddling MP's all had their john Lewis lists ?


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:26

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waterman, you have not answered the question posed to you on the LSe blog. I will try again.

Firstly, do you support a two state or a one state solution? And secondly, what do you think should happen to the Jews of the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem and the settlers who live in Judea and Samaria? Should they be kicked out?

Please answer these two points specifically.


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:27

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armchair, do you think the PSC has been honest in its public pronouncements, or do you think John Lewis is lying?


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:28

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underformed is a polite euphemism for they turned out to be crap

No more but no less than any cosmetic, Wheelchair. All this is commercial, just admit it. You've lost!

By the way re another thread ...move the arab population to jordan in the east and egypt in the west ...
is that really what you have in mind ?

No, that's you! The fact is that this is the only way to have peace while the 'Palestinians' don't want to negotiate unconditionally.
My solution is status quo, finishing the fence unilaterally until the 'Palestinians' accept to negotiate. But this is not peace, just status quo, which means crisis from time to time.


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:28

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Lets get real the john lewis partnership had stocked these products...they realised they were potential trouble ...they looked at the sales figures and concluded well no one is going to miss them anyways and we don't need the hassle lets say we just dump them


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:29

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armchair, could you answer please?


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:34

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well Amby let me just take a lil while to get over you typing that lil but inexpensive word " please " and maybe I might ok ?


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:35

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It's not a difficult question...


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:44

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Amby I think more or less what I typed abovehe

john lewis partnership had stocked these products...they realised they were potential trouble ...they looked at the sales figures and concluded well no one is going to miss them anyways and we don't need the hassle lets say we just dump them

I thniNk the PSC tried to milk the situation as best they can, propaganda being an inbuilt element in campaigning

The reality is that Ahava products are nothing to write home about, hardly anyone is fussed and they decided stocking them just wasn't worth the potential hassle. I think we will see an increasing number of such " commercial " decisions.

And yes the PSC would like to portray this as a " boycott " when it isen't quite that. But all is fair in love, war and campaigning


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:46

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armchair, you say the PSC "milked " the situation - but were they dishonest, as John Lewis has stated?

You say say there are numerous examples of such "commercial" decisions regarding Ahava - implying that you think they are based on politics rather than commerce.

Can you give an example?


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:47

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armchair, you say the PSC "milked " the situation - but were they dishonest, as John Lewis has stated?

You say say there are numerous examples of such "commercial" decisions regarding Ahava - implying that you think they are based on politics rather than commerce.

Can you give an example of another situation?


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:47

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Personally, I find Ahava products of very high quality.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:57

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they realised they were potential trouble

Did you ever make a difference between your wishes and reality, Wheelchair?


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:58

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no i said i think we WILL see I have to say I am highly impressed by the new polite reasonable Amby lets hope it lasts


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:12

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"My solution is status quo,"

ducks quack and dreamers dream I guess


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:13

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Amber, Your question posed at 15.26 was clearly answered by me earlier. I'm sorry if you do not understand. All other information you might need is in the link I sent you. I really appreciate you saying "please" though.
On the substantative issue, the upshot of it all is that you can no longer buy Ahava at any one of the John Lewis stores nationwide, and I understand that this is part of a trend. I have heard that another big group is going to do the same. I think it is thoughtful of John Lewis Partnership to tactfully describe it as a commercial decision so as not to offend anyone. We know that in the Ahava HQ in Tel aviv they will be gutted, and we know too that the ZF counter-demonstraters have failed them. Thats all fine with me.


Yoni1

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:16

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"the sale of the goods is illegal"

I don't think this Jew-hating moron was admitted INTO primary school.


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:18

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armchair, can you give another example? And was the PSC statement dishonest?


Yoni1

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:18

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"We know that in the Ahava HQ in Tel aviv they will be gutted"

And this Jew-hating moron tells ME to keep taking the tablets!

But then, 99% of all antisemites are schizophrenic. He is no exception: can't tell reality from his Jew-hating wet dreams.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:18

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ducks quack and dreamers dream I guess

Well, you quack like a quack, Wheelchair!


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:19

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waterman, with due respect, you have not replied toeither question. I'll ask again.

Do you support a two state or a one state solution? In either case, what do you think should be done with the Jews who live in Jerusalem's Jewish quarter and in Judea and Samaria?


Yoni1

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:20

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If it walks like an antisemite, talks like an antisemite and quacks like an antisemite, it IS an antisemite.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:20

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I understand that this is part of a trend.

What do you mean by "understand"? "fantasise"? "dream"?


Yoni1

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:21

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Amber, why on earth are you trying to debate rationally with a lying, hate-dripping, deranged antisemite?


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:23

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For the rest of the population, that with a brain and reading capacity higher than third grade, the PSC was accused to have published a misleading and dishonest statement.

Like the Fly in the fable, the PSC believes it is the cause for everything bad that happens to Ahava... And of course, they never mention the good things.


amber

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:33

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Yoni, I have noticed that both armchair and waterman attack Israel, but have not stated what solution they see for the region. I would like both to lay their cards on the table, so we know where we stand.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 16:37

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Amber, they have no solution at all. Just dreams that were dreamt before and failed.


Yoni1

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 17:03

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Amber:
The annihilation of Israel, of course.
Simples.


Jez Waterman (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 17:24

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Hi Amber, Re your posting at 16.19
I know you want me to say that the Jews should be pushed into the sea. Sorry I can't oblige you because it is not what I want and it aint going to happen.
I have answered your question on yesterday's thread. Look back, it is all there. To summarise again very briefly, the fate of the illegal settlements depends on what the Palestinians and Israeli's decide regarding a one or two state solutions. The outcome for the settlers will be different depending on which solution the parties opt for.It must be decided there, solutions imposed be outsiders will fail. There Amber that's twice you've had my answer. If you still don't understand, do your homework or ask someone other than me to explain it to you. But thank you for being courteous, it is appreciated.
ANOTHER GREAT BOYCOTT SUCCESS. The French singer Vanessa Paradis has cancelled her tour to Israel after being picketed by human rights activists at yesterdays concert in Paris.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 17:44

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Sorry I can't oblige you because it is not what I want and it aint going to happen.

Like the Holocaust didn't happen?

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