"President" Peres,You are a disgrace and should resign.

What took you so long?

The journalist is Chris McGreal, the same McGreal who in 2006 ran a feature in the Guardian making the apartheid analogy.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=6&x_journo=341

He has a malevolent agenda against Israel.

Please name me a single country that did NOT trade with apartheid South Africa

Instead of recycling the tired old stories of the Guardian's Israel-bashing hacks -- how about you come up with something original?

the point surely is that Israel has actively copied so many aspects of the old RSA regime. If you go to the Palestinian West Bank it is impossible not to notice Apartheid in action. Settlers are allowed to build their cities unimpeded with very few building restrictions.

I recently met a Palestinian family who were told that they have to demolish their home of 30 years simply because the recently built settlement on the other side of the valley can see the house. If they refuse to do it the IDF will do the job for them and they will be presented with a bill for £10,000.

I saw also the humiliation of the internal check points where soldiers reading papers and surfing the internet have their backs turned to the waiting traffic. Of course the drivers don't dare alert their attention by sounding their horns as this would lead to punishment.

This is Apartheid and I am sure would agree with me should you also see it with your own eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOVhTFOPKxc

I guess you didn't see a suicide bomber at a checkpoint did you ... we'll here's the video

What about my friend Ahmed's father who died at a check point because that kind soldier said he had to apply 1 week in advance. If you are a Palestinian you have to pre-plan your heart attack. He is dead now.
Jews good Palestinians bad. That Jonathan is Apartheid.

Of course, the Guardian, with its nakedly anti-western, anti-Israel agenda, doesn't remind us about all the good things Israel did for emerging black African nations way back when, helping them with technical expertise, etc.

1. To call this article dubious is an understatement of immense proportions.

2. The only apartheid that exists in the Middle East is in Arab nations. "Palestinian" arabs ban all Jews from living amongst them. Any Jews found are summarily murdered in cold blood. This is sanctioned by Fatah and Hamas, who both delight in describing the Arab terrorist thugs as heroes - even naming streets and town squares in their honor. Any Arabs found to have sold property to Jewish purchasers are summarily executed.

3. I apologise about the equally dubious story of Ahmed's father. Perhaps there would be no need for road blocks if "Palestinian" arabs were not involved in terrorism. Just a thought.

Akiva said
"The only apartheid that exists in the Middle East is in Arab nations. "Palestinian" arabs ban all Jews from living amongst them. Any Jews found are summarily murdered in cold blood. This is sanctioned by Fatah and Hamas, who both delight in describing the Arab terrorist thugs as heroes - even naming streets and town squares in their honor. Any Arabs found to have sold property to Jewish purchasers are summarily executed."

This is not true at all. I wasn't murdered when I was there. Just about everyone I met there were aware that I was Jewish. My Palestinian friends have no problem whatsoever with us, it is simply the Israelis. In fact I feel so much at ease with The Palestinians that I would feel very much at home living with them. They are great people and need our support.

Ahmed's story is sadly true but I will pass on your sympathy to him.

Blacklisted Dictator (why don't people use their real names?) I did visit apartheid SA right at the end of the regime and actually met F W DE Klerk. Well as for my intellectual ability, I speak 4 languages...Hebrew is not one of them so maybe you are not impressed! but I would leave the analogy to Desmond Tutu who knew all about the old SA. He famously compared Israel with it. I reckon he knew what he was talking about.

"This is not true at all. I wasn't murdered when I was there. Just about everyone I met there were aware that I was Jewish. My Palestinian friends have no problem whatsoever with us, it is simply the Israelis. In fact I feel so much at ease with The Palestinians that I would feel very much at home living with them. They are great people and need our support."

That's wonderful, of course it does little to change the facts on the ground. Incase you missed them the first time (I assume you did), here they are again:

1. PA/Hamas controlled areas are Judenrein. Jews are denied the right to live amongst arabs in the ancestral and biblical Jewish heartland.

2. PA/Hamas execute those who deal with Jews as "traitors".

3. "Palestinian arabs" are actively involved in terrorism against the Jewish people. This is undeniable.

4. Israel's so-called occupation has nothing to do with said terrorism. See: Hebron Massacre in 1929.

5. The very fact that the "Palestinian" arabs, who are overwhelmingly Muslim, will never accept a tiny Jewish state within the enormous Arab landmass that stretches from Mauritania in the west to Iraq in the east is clear and present evidence of Muslim and Arab apartheid.

Akiva,
Jews live all over the the west bank, 500,000 of them especially in Hebron where Barach Goldstein committed the Mosque massacre in 1994 or do you not believe this?

"Jews live all over the the west bank, 500,000 of them especially in Hebron where Barach Goldstein committed the Mosque massacre in 1994 or do you not believe this?"

I'm going to assume English isn't one of the four languages you speak, as clearly you are having some difficulty understanding/responding to it.

Jews living in Judea and Samaria are doing so in spite of the actions and decrees of the "Palestinian" arabs. In fact, they are currently actively calling for these Jews to be removed for a future Judenrein PA state. They say this state will be a muslim state, however, they refuse to accept Israel as a Jewish one.

Hmmm, sounds almost Apartheid to me.

P.S. Baruch Goldstein does not somehow wipe away the fact that Arabs have been involved in terrorism and "ethnic cleansing" attempts on Jews for years before Israel even existed. I suggest you start countering my points as you are rapidly losing any credibility here.

Tom,

So you are relying on Desmond Tutu? Is that as far as your search for independent thinking goes? " Oh, Desmond Tutu has said so. It must be true!)

But are you unable to analyse the evidence and draw your own conclusions? That, after all, is different from regurgitating propaganda. Any idiot can do the latter, even if he doesn't speak four languages.

I ask you again... what books have you read about apartheid? Please provide a list.

And in what ways was apartheid SA different from so called "apartheid" Israel?

(Blacklisted dictator aka Anthony Posner)

tyop above
"able to analyse the evidence"

In April 2000 Nelson Mandela came to London and spoke to the Board of Deputies of British Jews. He spoke of the need for Israel to leave the lands taken in 1967 but not unless there was first recognition of the Jewish State by the Arab States: “I added a second position, that Israel cannot be expected to withdraw from the Arab territories which she legitimately conquered when the Arab States wanted to whip her out of the map of the world.”

No mention of ‘apartheid’ in Israel - from a man who spent 27 years as a prisoner of the loathsome apartheid regime in South Africa.

Alan Dershowitz perfectly correctly called Desmond Tutu a "racist and a bigot"

In view of Islamist ambitions over the region, it's no wonder so many Christian Arabs of Palestine have emigrated, seeing the writing on the - er - wall.
Anyway, has the venerable Mr Peres taken your demand to heart and resigned yet, Tom?

Jonathan,

Unfortunately, Meisner clearly lacks the intellectual capacity for independent analytical thinking. That is why he has to rely on quoting Tutu.

Of course, he has failed to provide any evidence that he has read widely about apartheid SA. So it is clear that he is totally unqualified to make the apartheid analogy. The latter, of course, makes no sense whatsoever because it is just propaganda. But Meisner is either not astute enough to realize it, or too cynical to care.

Whatever one thinks about Israel, the situation is very different from apartheid SA.

I challenge Meisner to provide a detailed analysis of the South African "apartheid" ideology as well as how it actually operated in practice.

When he has done so, he should compare and contrast it to so called "apartheid"
Israel.

He should use his own words and provide evidence that he has reached his own independent conclusions.

If he fails to do so, he should stop wasting everybody's time on this blog and actually find another forum to disseminate his propaganda.

The Israel- Apartheid South Africa saga refuses to die.

Considering the number of articles and op-eds written about it, a stranger to the planet might suppose that during the 1970's and 1980's the entire South African economy, its armed forces, its diplomatic missions and every aspect of life there were wholly dependent on the regime's connection with Israel.

No-one ever mentions that Japan was SA's biggest trading partner ( more than $4 billion a year ) or that 90% of the foreign investment in the country came from the UK, USA, France, the then West Germany and Switzerland. And who supplied SA with oil? Israel? No, like every other nation, the multi-national, Western-based oil companies, selling direct from the Gulf producers.

Israel's relationship with South Africa was neither better nor worse than that of many other nations at that time; to consider it otherwise is rank hypocrisy.

Herewith the link I intended attaching to the posting.

http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1988/09/mm0988_04.html

Jerusalem Post:

President Shimon Peres' office denied allegations on Monday made by British newspaper the Guardian, in which it accuses Israel of offering to sell nuclear weapons to South Africa's apartheid regime. "We regret that the newspaper did not find it right to ask for an official response and examine the facts with official Israeli sources," the president's office explained. Additional sources added that "there is no doubt these papers that allegedly document a nuclear missiles sales deal are completely fabricated.

The Guardian? Fabricating lies about Israel or reporting lies fabricated by someone else?

Surely not ...

The Guardian? Fabricating lies about Israel or reporting lies fabricated by someone else?

Israel lying. SURELY NOT, fabricating lies about how the country was founded, how they didn't throw anyone out of their homes in 1947-48. Basing the whole raison d'etre of their country on fairy tales of temples that never existed and how The Palestinians don't exist and how they want peace. Israel since its foundation has been one big lie. The trouble for them now is that the non Zionist world has found them out.

"Basing the whole raison d'etre of their country on fairy tales of temples that never existed"

So you're not Jewish then. Or intelligent, but we knew that bit already.

Akiva,

Unfortunately there are quite a few Jews around the world who parrot Tutu's "apartheid' Israel slur. So one shouldn't assume that Meisner, by birth at least, does not belong to this category. Most of them are, of course, Communists and view Israel's destruction as part of an Islamarxist revoultion. The fact that they will actually be strung up when the mad mullahs take over the world, has seemed to pass them up. It is one of the ironies that might await us in the furure.

In South Africa, Meisner would, of course, be appaluded by Ronnie Kasrils (South African Communist Party) who used to be The ANC's "Minister of Intelligence". In this regard, I dubbed him Ronno Einstein.

I seem to recall that Tutu is a male supremacist, so his views on the position of women aren't a million miles away from those of the mad mullahs. The females of the pro-Islamicist Marxist species, more than the Uncle Toms, are perplexing and inexplicable. When the mad mullahs rule the earth will these far-out sistahs quietly accept the burkha?

Yvettta,
I have often asked Zackie Achmat ( South African, gay, Aids+ anti-zionist, "human
rights" activist) whether he would hold his husband's hand on the streets in Gaza and Tehran. Unfortunately, he never replies.

Yvetta,
I have also asked Zackie Achmat to join the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran. Unfortunately, he never replies.

One might conclude that as "human rights" activist, he is selective about the campaigns that he supports.

I recently posted the attached comment on the "International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran" website:

http://www.iranhumanrights.org/2010/05/roxana-saberi-chance-to-stand-tal...

Blacklisted Dictator May 20, 2010 9:23
Dear Roxana,
I live in South Africa and am trying to publicize Iranian human rights abuses. Unfortunately well known so called “human rights” activists, like the Aids campaigner Zackie Achmat, show no interest. He has even censored me on his website for trying to alert his readers to what is going on in Iran. It is quite appalling, and symptomatic of how many PC activists view the world.

I have posted comments about Zackie Achmat since he is one of the most well known South African proponents of the "apartheid Israel" slur. He touts himself as a "human rights" activist.

http://www.newstime.co.za/SouthAfrica/Pik_Botha_:_Definitely_no_nuclear_...

Very interesting, BD - frankly, I've never heard of Zackie before. Thanks for posting that.

What can one conclude from the fact that Zackie Achmat, a leading South African "human rights" anti-zionist activist, would be free in "apartheid" Tel Aviv but arrested in Gaza, for being gay?

Are we really to believe that Hamas, and its Iranian sponsors, will be freedom to anybody? Of course they won't. And especially if you are gay.

tomeisner2
"Israel since its foundation has been one big lie."
Not one big lie, just one tiny sliver of a country amid numerous Arab ones which could easily have absorbed the Palestinian "refugees" had they really cared about them rather than preferring to let them fester in camps in order to use them as pawns against the little Jewish state.

Shame on you Eisner

Spokespersons Department

Office of the President

Monday, May 24th, 2010

Response to the article published by The Guardian today:

There exists no basis in reality for the claims published this morning by The Guardian that in 1975 Israel negotiated with South Africa the exchange of nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, The Guardian elected to write its piece based on the selective interpretation of South African documents and not on concrete facts.

Israel has never negotiated the exchange of nuclear weapons with South Africa. There exists no Israeli document or Israeli signature on a document that such negotiations took place.

The Office of the President regrets The Guardian's decision to publish such an article without requesting comment from any Israeli officials.

The Office of the President intends to send a harsh letter to the editor of The Guardian and demands the publication of the true facts.

For More Information:

Ayelet Frish - Spokesperson of the President
Meital Jaslovitz Assistant to Spokesperson of the President

3 HaNassi St., Jerusalem Israel 92188

Yvetta,
If you google him, quite a lot will be revealed.

Here we go again!
Nothing new
It's all just another "Fairy Tale", one of many that tomeisner2 and his leftist, 2-digit IQ pals and self haters and friends at the Guardian love to put out every so often.

For the truth:- see the above posting by Jonathan Hoffman and:-
http://www.thejc.com/news/world-news/32053/peres-denies-offering-south-a...

Yasmin Alibhai-Brown: "My dearest friend Tom Eisner"

Says it all ........

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/y...

Zackie Achmat writes:

http://writingrights.org/

"On 25 May 2010, Pantheon Books in the US will publish The Unspoken Alliance: Israel’s Secret Relationship With Apartheid South Africa. Sasha-Polakow-Surnansky’s book is a significant contribution to contemporary history, politics and struggle. The reviews and report below is an indication of what The Unspoken Alliance contains. If there is one book you buy in 2010, make it this one. I will publish a review in South Africa early next month."

Thanks, BD, I will.
I'll also sniff out that Yasmin...

For Jonathan and others that try to discredit these claims of Israel's close relationship with South Africa's apartheid regime John Vorster visited Jerusalem in 1976 (despite being an open supporter of Hitler), which is frankly bizarre. Plus this evidence is not going to simply go away by claiming its 'guardian nonsense' as widely occurs on these blogs. Its based on Sasha Polakow-Suransky's ten years of research at Oxford university,this included access to declassified South African documents, (that Israeli officials sought to prevent being declassified) along with a hundred or so private interviews the author conducted.

So Vanunu was right... Israel has nuclear weapons and has tried to sell them to apartheid regimes

ibrows,

I think it was based on 6 years of research "at Oxford University". Obviously, there are a lot of Israeli military secrets there.

i thought it was 10 years, you may be right that it was 6 years. Nevertheless, the thesis is based on declassified documents, not 'guardian lies'

Tom,
I assume that Yasmin is describing you...
"My dearest friend Tom Eisner, a gifted violinist for the London Philharmonic Orchestra came to dinner on Saturday. The son of an ardent Zionist, Tom indefatigably fights for Palestinian rights. He told me about a visit to Gaza when he smelt some food cooking and was invited into dinner by the man of the house who turned out to be a member of Hamas: "I told him I was Jewish. He said, 'It does not matter. Please come in.'" "

What did you have to eat?

Ibrows,
However long it took, everything he wrote must be true. That is the nature of books. Especially if the typeface is very nice.

Tom,

What sort of conversations do you have with your father about Israel? Please spill the family beans.

Blacklisted dictator,

(nice err name by the way) you assume its not true simply as its critical of Israel. But its based on declassified official documents, you cant get much more concrete proof than that

ibrows,

I haven't seen the documents so I can't comment.

But I sincerely hope that Israel has nuclear weapons. In fact, there should be a daily synagogue prayer for them.

eisner, I shouldn't be surprised that you stoop so low, but I am. Israel is not an aprtheid state, as you well know. It is the most egalitarian country in the entire Middle East. However, the Palestinian Authority, and you mates in Hamas, are indeed running apartheid and misogynistic regimes, as can also be seen in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the UAE, in fact every single other nation of the region. And they also all traded with South Africa at the time.

What a sick farce. Your relentless and obsessive hatred truly is a disease of the mind. See someone - please.

eisner, ynow that it is ilegal for a Jew to be a citizen of Jordan (a mostly Palestinian country). You knew that didn't you? Isn't that apartheid? How many lefties go around saying the "apartheid regime of Jordan"? None. Because they're not Jews. The idea is to paint the Jews as racist, so that being racist against Jews becomes more acceptable, and we can move that much further to destroying Israel.

Sick sick sick.

CORRECTION,
The piece in The Independent that appeared last year saying that I had been in Gaza was incorrect.I have as yet not been there. It should have read East Jerusalem.