Palestine Campaign head visits anti-Israel protesters outside Ahava

I understand that the Ahava demos are about the company's using land illegally occupied on the west bank in its production / packaging process. What have Hamas to do with this ?

I doubt this persons attitude is that she wouldnt discuss Hamas with anyone ever but that she wouldnt discuss it with you today ( yeaterday )

In other words she refused to go along with the usual Israeli aplogistas tactic of changing the subject.

To put it in a way that johnny boy will understand. Hamas were " off topic "

Richard,

Under PC rules, Hamas is fine; there is absolutely no problem with their charter. In fact, it is a cause for celebration. However, under the very same rules, The EDL is viewed a bit more critically. It is just one of those things.

Now the inevitably question arises, whether in the current PC climate, Jonathan and a handful of pro- Israel, non-EDL demonstrators, can really go it alone. I am beginning to have my doubts. The British Jewish establishment does not want troublemakers like Jonathan who are willing to confront anti-zionists in public. As far as they are concerned, that is "not quite cricket"; it never has been and it never will. So they are quite delighted that The EDL has rocked up and made any Israeli flag waving problematic. As you perhaps knows, The JC's owners are closely connected to The New Israel Fund. What chance is there for people like Jonathan Hoffman to get fair crack? Zero!

You nearly got me there Anthony, I was just about to talk about Hamas but pulled my fingers off the key board just in time.......naughty boy

Stephenb,

I assume that you are playing by PC rules. If you aren't, you are inevitably a Nazi and I would have to report you to The JC, Board of Deputies and the Kessler Foundation.

Stephen Pollard will probably then have to write an article for the Daily Express about undercover Nazis on The JC Blogs who wave Israeli flags and wear the burka. I also hear that Howard Jacobson might use it for the plot for his next novel
entitled "I hava Nazi"

stephenb - If this demo. is about Ahava's use of illegally controlled land then why do the protestors always sing "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free"? Why, as you can see from the photos. on my blog, do they have "Stop the siege of Gaza" placards? Why do the anti-Israel activists say that Gilad Shalit should be dug up and killed again? Why do they parade photos of dead children? Why do they parade photos of children behind barbed wire? Why do they make flags of Israel but cut out the Magen David? Why, if this all just "about the company's using land illegally occupied on the west bank in its production / packaging process."?

And, finally, why not denounce Hamas for being a proudly virulently anti-Semitic organisation even if, let's say, it was out of context?

Rich,

The problem is that Hamas would then be The Nazis. But, remember The EDL are The Nazis! How many bloody Nazis can you have fighting over some Dead Sea Mud?

The title of the novel is "I hava Nazi".

Not "I havlotzov of Nazis"

typo.
Not "I havlotzovnazis"

im lost

why are you lost, stephen? Quite simply, this "Ahava protest" is not about Ahava. It is about delegitimising Israel.

stephenb,

Can Rich be right?

I thought it was all about face marks.

Now he comes up with a big word ... "delegitimising"... and has the gall to add on "Israel"

I reckon that he's turning this debate on its head. Stick to your mud. Don't fall for his clever yiddishe logic. I beg you.

where did all these nazis come from ?

stephenb,

" We all all Nazi Juden now"...

You must have pissed yourself when you read it?

I maybe might have done if I had understood it

Check out my Lauren Booth comments. You might understand them.

Stephen B

Of course the woman would not engage and answer a simple question. The PSC and ISM are all actively and deeply involved with Hamas , a proscribed terrorist entity . She is wholly unable to denounce Hamas as she supports it. By failing to condemn Hamas for its visceral antisemitism she lays herself open to the further charge of turning a very blind eye to antisemitism . By saying nothing she avoids the charge.

Viva Gaza ,ISM , PSC and others bypass the many active NGOS in Gaza ,choosing instead to deliver their out of date medicines direct to Hamas . On entry they are greeted and feted by the upper echelons of Hamas . They are effectively non military off shoots and spokespersons for Hamas .

If this beknighted country had any cajones they would prosecute each and every one of these malign organisations for dealing with terrorists.

As for you , you keep hitting the wrong button in your favourites . Islam on Line comes one before Jewish Chronicle.

Harvey just who exactly do you think you are ? Why should anyone stop whatever they are doing and answer any question there and then at your tine and place of choosing ?

Denounce IOF and Isreali settler terrorism in the west bank . Now !! I demand it !! Its a simple request

But its disengenous to insist that the only choices are between a bunch of fruit loops such as yourself , Koffman , Lieberman , Netanyahu et al and another bunch of Jihadist fruit loops. There are other games in town.

And nah I gave up on Jihadic Islam when they wouldnt let me trade the 72 virgins for 72 highly experienced older women. I was all set to become a suicide bomber too.

Interesting though Johhny boy's figures about how 72% of British jews regard themselves as " zionists "

That means that 22...34...43 ...Whats 100 take away 72 ?

Anyway that many wouldn't

Anyway 28% ( thanks Fido ) wouldnt regard themselves as zionists.

Given that "Zionist" covers a multitude of sins and virtues many of these zionists are so simply because they think jews should be able to go live on the land for which they have a special affinity if they want to and........many who feel their zionism needs a political expression but think the pre 1967 borders are plenty political expression enough given the demographics....then...

......it would seem probable that 50 % at least of British jews are against the occupation, illegal settlement and terrorising of the non jewish population in the territories.

who wudda thinked it ?

How interesting and encouraging is this ?

Since the settlements aren't "illegal", one wonders what your ramblings actually mean. If anything, which I doubt.