Paging Yoni1: IDF enlistment data paints bad picture for Israeli seculars


By Akiva
November 24, 2010
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3988210,00.html

If you thought draft dodging from the seculars was on the rise, then IDF enlistment data shows it's been kicked into overdrive. There could be several reasons for this:

1. Tel Aviv seculars are notoriously lefty and life inside the bubble is so rosy they no longer see any need to serve their country.

2. Tel Aviv seculars are notoriously anti-religious, the ever increasing rise of religious soldiers in the IDF particularly in the highest positions of command, means they no longer really want to serve their country.

3. Tel Aviv seculars are notoriously care-free, party animals and are possibly too drunk/stoned to be fit to serve their country.

4. All of the above.

Never the less, I'm sure we can expect death threats with white powder sent through the door of every secular who does not enlist (and Meretz politicians of course!). There will no doubt be a plethora of angry, foul mouthed rants against them right here on the JC, which will go ignored by the moderators. Oh and we can expect Telegramsam to chip in against them during half-time at White Heart Lane on Shabbat.

Why am I so convinced of this? Well you see, all of the above occurs against the Haredim, some of whom do not serve. However, those who do not serve, are not seeking to be free to "get stoned" and party. Instead they study the word of Hashem, pray to Hashem to protect our soldiers and ask for his assistance and help. Indeed, in Moshe Rabbeinu's day the Torah tells us that only half the warriors went out to battle, the other half stayed and prayed for victory. This is the legacy of Am Yisrael.

Thoughts?

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Avraham Reiss

Wed, 11/24/2010 - 22:05

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Well said, Akiva! But I doubt if the addressee understands.


telegramsam

Wed, 11/24/2010 - 22:42

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Akiva, many thanks for bringing this to our attention. The point is, however, that all 18 year old Jews in Israel are obliged to serve. Ben-Gurion allowed 400 or so illu'im (prodigies) to study in yeshivot in order to resurrect Torah study after the devastation of the Holocaust.
Over the years, this number has increased 100-fold. And that has angered many young secular and national religious Israelis who view themselves as carrying all the burdens while their brethren in the yeshivot are seen, wrongly perhaps, as having an easy life. Many secular Jews do not accept the view that the Torah saved Jews. And it is hard to convince them otherwise.
In addition to that, the army itself is finding that it has too many soldiers. With advanced technology, different ways of combating the threats facing Israel and tough economic conditions (new advanced weaponry costs a lot of money), the army can cut down on soldiers. It now will take only those it needs rather than serving as the melting pot it did in the state's early years.
The point is the state and the military have to decide whether the IDF is going to have a continued social melting pot-type function or whether it should become a professional force for those who want to serve.
Just as a point of information regarding Meretz politicians, Ran Cohen was a major in the infantry and served in the first Lebanon War, while Avshalom Vilan was in the same Sayeret Matkal group as Ehud Barak and Bibi Netanyahu, which overpower the terrorists on the Sabena airliner in the early 1970s. (He tells a very funny story of how Bibi got obverexcited and went too soon and shot himself in the foot.)
Yossi Sarid perhaps doesn't have such an illustrious military past. However, in the first and second Lebanon Wars he moved to Moshav Margaliot on the Lebanon border and volunteered to help.


Avraham Reiss

Wed, 11/24/2010 - 23:10

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"In addition to that, the army itself is finding that it has too many soldiers"

- tspam now takes it upon himself to decide the size of the IDF ...

Yossi sarid volunteered as a driver - probably the only time he did anything in his life other than talking ...


telegramsam

Wed, 11/24/2010 - 23:17

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Avraham, I am sorry that I wasn't clear enough and you misunderstood. Of course I am not deciding the size of the IDF. The IDF itself is working that out and taking fewer soldiers than before. You and I can argue the merits of this. But do you not think it is up to the state and the IDF to decide whether the IDF should have some sort of social melting pot-type function or whether it should become a professional fighting force in the sense of being a volunteer army? Obviously, given the situation, the IDF should be able to draft people it needs, such as those for specialist units (8200, Duvdevan, Shaldag etc). But it might need to entice these people with certain perks (free university study for 6 year's service, for instance, much like the Atoudah today).


telegramsam

Wed, 11/24/2010 - 23:21

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Anyway, boys and girls, its 30 minutes to the Ashes and I hope to be able to watch at least the first session before nodding off. So be nice to one another.


telegramsam

Wed, 11/24/2010 - 23:23

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Oh and well done Hapoel Tel Aviv for beating Benfica 3-0. At last the Israeli Left is waking up. (only joking)


Avraham Reiss

Thu, 11/25/2010 - 09:58

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I don't see where the IDF is any of your business.

If you want to comment on it, first claim that you served for 4 years there ...


telegramsam

Thu, 11/25/2010 - 10:36

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Avraham, as someone who obviously served with distinction, do you think the IDF should also have a social function or should it become a professional volunteer force, with the proviso that it can draft those it thinks it needs (by offering generous perks, for instance)?


jose (not verified)

Thu, 11/25/2010 - 12:46

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Those haredim come not to pray but to prey charity money, as shown by the police findings of fake ID cards.

They don't want to serve but have more benefits than those who serve. I hate to see these haredi idiots in Tsaha'l, but the law is the same for all.

Recently, Tsaha'l has been using Facebook to uncover the fake religious females trying to dodge military service:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11825100

These are certainly no better than the haredi dodgers. We should not use double standards to judge one group.

And don't listen to "Ibrahim al-Rais" !

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