No Credit for desecrating G-d's Name

Divine retribution for doing the right thing? Are you sure?

If you think they did 'the right thing', then it's your job to explain why their punishment was so blatant and obvious: they have all been publicly disgraced. Some may still end up in prison.

I have fully detailed my opinion - please do the same with yours.

What punishment, Marilyn? Let's start with Katzav. He's on trial for rape. Let's assume for a second he's guilty, although he might not be. He was, by many accounts, a very naughty boy long before he became Pres and long before anyone had the notion of disengagement. He got caught, is all, because his accuser was brave enough to go to the police and not give in.
Now Arik Sharon. He was massively overweight and had a fairly not very good life-style (he ate all the wrong things and much too much of it). Classic stroke material.
Ehud Olmert is on trial and again we have to presume innocence. But let's presume otherwise: Like Sharon, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Haim Ramon? Another naughty boy. Nothing to do with the disengagement.
Dan Halutz? Actually, if the Israelis had stuck to his plan in Lebanon by using only the air force, there would have been less of a mess to clear up.
Moshe Karadi, as you note, was cleared.
Are you one of those people who blame the Holocaust on gays? Or the Reform? Or the souls of sinners?

I am always wary of gay-supporters who drag in the gay issue to matters where they have no relevance. Reminds me of 'The Elephant and the Jewish Problem'.

You have made excuses for the characters mentioned, but certainly have not even begun to explain why you think ' the right thing' was done.

Neither have you explained the occurrence of all these events together (a) within a very brief time-span (b) following the Gush Katif destruction, and (c) all of them being chief participants in the destruction.

Why was the right thing done? Because eventually Israel, if it wants to continue to be a Jewish democracy, will have to relinquish control of the West Bank and most of East Jerusalem.
What's more to explain, apart from happenstance and serendipity-doo-dah.
As for "gay supporters" and the elephant, I was merely using it to illustrate that that kind of thinking about divine intervention/retribution can plumb ridiculous depths.
What kind of God do you believe in, Marilyn? Correct me if I am wrong, but this appears to be a God which pretty much agrees with your very human political views.

Marilyn, it's not as if by posting here, I am denying anyone space. That's the beauty of t'internet. So where's the false axiom? By holding on to the West Bank and most of East Jerusalem, Israel will have a non-Jewish majority: that way, it'll either be the binational state or apartheid. That's very anti-Zionist. And would you say that Kadima, the Labour Party etc are not Zionist? What's a Zionist, in your humble opinion?

Oh, I see another member of the Jewish Taliban has joined the blogosphere.

I'm glad though that you've come up with a convincing explanation for the death of Meir Kahane. It's difficult to come up with a better example of someone responsible for desecrating God's name. (Maybe Binyamin Kahane, Baruch Goldstein, ... - whoops, look what happened to them.)

And as for bacteria, Marilyn, you've no doubt heard the saying: Haposel Bemumo Posel -- A person who disqualifies, disqualifies based on his own handicap.

Ben Abuya - a very, very apt and fitting name - it is obvious that you did not understand what I wrote, if Kahana is your conclusion: a justified namesake. You didn't understand on at least two levels, but since anyone who disagrees with you is automatically labelled "Taliban", I see no point in explaining. further.

And what exactly is your Judaic authority for deciding who has and has not desecrated G-d's name? I have detailed mine - now let's hear yours, "or forever hold your peace".

One gets a feeling of an over-flow of self-hatred from your "post".

It wasn't me who called you bacteria - I was merely recalling someone else's post. The only name-caller here is that abuya chappie.

Marilyn, did I say you used bacteria? No. I merely suggested that the person adheres to the saying: Haposel Bemumo Posel.

I will from now on respond only to serious comments regarding the original post of this specific blog.

OK, Marilyn, this is serious: Where's the false axiom? By holding on to the West Bank and most of East Jerusalem, Israel has a non-Jewish majority: it'll either be the binational state or apartheid. That's very anti-Zionist. And would you say that Kadima, the Labour Party etc are not Zionist? What's a Zionist, in your humble opinion?

This has nothing to do with my post. If you want a separate discussion, you are free to start it in your own blog.

Of course it does. You are suggesting that all those people got into trouble because of divine retribution over the disengagement. I countered that by saying that it was merely happenstance and serendipity. Israel did the right thing by withdrawing and that the withdrawal should not end there, but should also include the West Bank and most if not all of East Jerusalem if Israel wants to remain a democratic Jewish state. Do you want Israel to remain a democratic Jewish state, as conceived by Zionism?

JCWatch? The home of the self-righteous fetishists? So, do you want Israel to remain a democratic Jewish state as conceived by Zionism?

I didn't realise JCWATCH was actually up and running. It doesn't seem to have attracted much publicity. Or is it just a private club for you and your friends to indulge in your paranoia (I assume it gives you some self-gratification to do so)?

The Taliban are a group of religious fundamentalists who show extreme hatred for anyone who disagrees with them, and who believe that they are carrying out God's will. So, I don't have a problem with placing you in the same category.

I see that you automatically label anyone you disagree with as self-hating.

Oh, and if you want Judaic authority for deciding what constitutes desecration of God's name, how about "ve'ahavta l'reiacha kamocha", or "ve'ahavtem et ha-ger"?

I love the self-hating schtick. It reminds me of Larry David's quote: Yes, I hate myself a lot, but it has nothing to do with my Judaism. ;-}

MarilynSchimmel..

Ok explain the punishment of 'Netanyahu' by the western world (via the throne of G-d)?
Did he also upset G-d, by allowing settlements in Jerusalem?

Hey Marilyn,

you talk a lot about 'divine retribution' and 'desecrating g-ds name,' yet you seem to be unaware that according to the same sages you cite, it is also unlawful to use religious ideology to weave hatred... Given the recent slogans painted by settlers on mosques as well as their treatment of surrounding Muslim populations based on their religious persuasion, it is crystal clear that many of these so called 'settlers' have chosen to weave xenophobia into their spiritual worldview. This according to Jewish law is unacceptable, and you have limited grounds for suggesting that removal of a few of the many settlements could be perceived in any way as 'desecration of G-ds name.'

Btw Marilyn, I don't see how you can claim to have greater 'judaic authority' than any other Jew here....