Negotiate? With Who?


By Jon_i_Cohen
July 6, 2010
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MEMRI reports today:-

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/2527htm

Hamas Leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: Our Plan For This Stage Is To Establish A Palestinian State Without Recognizing Israel And Without Giving Up The Right of Return; Our Ultimate Plan Is To Have Palestine In Its Entirety

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Ben Abuyah

6 July, 2010 - 15:20

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That should be "with whom".


mattpryor

6 July, 2010 - 15:33

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Ben Abuyah, will you denounce the Hamas as an enemy of Western values of democracy and freedom, an enemy of the Jewish people?

Will you show solidarity with Israel in its struggle against these forces of darkness?

Will you condemn anti-Semitism in all its forms?


simoneq

7 July, 2010 - 06:57

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good point Mr Abuyah.Matt willyou condemn anti Palestinianisms in all its forms?


simoneq

7 July, 2010 - 07:04

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Why should Ben condemn Hamas?? Maybe he wants to support Hamas; You support Israel, is this not correct? and you don;t condemn them..


Blacklisted Dictator

7 July, 2010 - 07:08

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simoneq,

What is anti Palestinianisms?

Do you make your ridiculous language up, as well as your ideas, as you go along?


Jon_i_Cohen

7 July, 2010 - 07:11

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations

This is why no normal person can support Hamas; it is an internationally recognised terrorist group; banned from all normal civilised countries.

Take a look at the link simoneq, (or whatever your name is).


mattpryor

7 July, 2010 - 09:23

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simoneq: I have a great deal of sympathy for people that have, through no fault of their own, been herded into refugee camps and left there to rot for the best part of a century. Unlike you however I don't blame Israel for their predicament. If blame is to apportioned then there are plenty of other culprits - not least the Arab regimes that initiated hostilities in 1948, then again in 1967 and 1973, and all the while refused to lend any assistance to the Palestinian refugees but continued to bemoan their fate.

But blame gets us nowhere. All the champions of the Palestinian cause in the West do is blame, blame, blame. What has that achieved? How much closer to any sort of respectable standard of living are the refugees? All that hatred hasn't made a single life better, it's just added to the violence and the tragedy.

What you lot fail to understand, and the reason this conflict has been perpetuated for so long, is that Israel is the solution to the problem. Israel is the only country in the region where there is political and public will to actually make things better for the Palestinians. Nobody else gives a damn, not the Lebanese, not the Jordanians, not the Egyptians, not the Syrians, not the Iraqis, and certainly not the Iranians.

This problem will never go away until people such as yourself, who profess to care so very deeply about Palestinian suffering (but conveniently seem to forget about the hundreds of thousands that live in horrific conditions in camps in Lebanon, Jordan and elsewhere), start engaging with the Israeli government and people instead of crowing over their failures and siding with people that want to kill them.

It is YOU that can make a difference for those people simoneq, but first you must change yourself. Are you up to it?


amber

7 July, 2010 - 22:12

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simoneq, Hamas advocate the extermination of the Jews - every single one on earth. It is clear you don't have a problem with this stance.

You are a Jew hater.


amber

7 July, 2010 - 22:13

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Ben Abuyah, your silence says all we need to know about you.


Ben Abuyah

7 July, 2010 - 23:05

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Amber, your ridiculous ranting says all we need to know about you.

However, if you want answers:

"will you denounce the Hamas as an enemy of Western values of democracy and freedom, an enemy of the Jewish people?"

I condemn Hamas for their policies of terror and violence, for their antisemitism, and for the way in which they impose their fundamentalist religious views on the people of Gaza. I'm not sure I'd describe democracy and freedom as being specifically Western values - I'd say they're universal values.

However, since they are effectively in control of Gaza, it will probably be necessary at some point for Israel to talk to them. The act of talking to them doesn't have to imply any sympathy with them - it's just the only practical way to move forwards.

"Will you show solidarity with Israel in its struggle against these forces of darkness?"

I'll show solidarity with anyone struggling against oppression (without necessarily backing the means they choose to progress that struggle). On some occasions, that may mean supporting the actions of the Israeli government. On other occasions, it may mean opposing Israeli government policy.

"Will you condemn anti-Semitism in all its forms?"

Yes. (It's worth noting though that the form "antisemitism" is more usual.)

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