Nazi movements in Arizona


By Melvyn Kohn
January 11, 2011
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This weekend was marred by the shooting of 20 people, among them a Jewish US Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords. Six are dead, many are in hospital; Gifford's brain was pierced by a bullet from a Glock 19. She is expected to recover but how much we do not yet know. She is responsive to the medical team.
This has occasioned miles of column inches; in today's New York Daily News it is on the first seven pages.
The president will visit her state, Arizona, and scores of FBI men and an army of journalists has descended upon the crime scene. Mass immigration; which seems to have been a factor in the shooting - Giffords, while admitting that mass immigration of the illegal kind was a problem, had the temerity to stand up to the far right, in including the Tea Party; whose flamboyant figurehead and former governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, had targeted in a way with rhetoric and an image of a cross hairs on her site.
Debate now rages about whether Palin was partly to blame; the left has seized upon this and Palin has taken it off her site. Richard Cohen, writing on one of the aforementioned seven pages in the NYDN - in a column titled: "America's insanity:Handguns for all" argues that she is not to blame. He insists the use of the cross hairs is not that menacing. I disagree; both the symbol, and what Palin said about reloading - is as inflammatory as a page in Mein Kampf. Neither Hitler nor Palin exhorted murder per se. It just happened. Stuff happens, and happens a bit too often in the land where the 2nd Ammendment - the right to bear arms - is interpreted to mean we sell guns with more than the usual six bullets in the chamber to any nutter who comes along. Used to be that we could only sell weapons that held 10 to any nutter that came along, but that law expired in 2004 and the GOP saw fit to let it lapse; thank you very much indeed from the bottom of our hearts; now any nutter who wants to shoot up a shoolyard can walk into Walmart and load up; and reload, as Palin exhorted.
Cohen notes that Jared Loughner, Gifford's alleged - (OK, it seems everyone knows he did it, but just in case he gets a really good lawyer - and he has - I do not want to be sued - or cause a lawsuit for the JC - so...) shooter - is crazy; he adds: "If he is crazy then so are we." Present company excepted I hope...I'm sure Cohen did not mean me...but anyway, someone in a society that sells guns to locos sold a Glock 19 with a chamber that holds 13 bullets to a loco. And that loco shot 20 people and would have shot more had he the brains to carry out Palin's exhortation to "reload." Good job he wasn't smart enough to do that. He got jumped on by one of his victims and others expressing their profound disapproval of his reloading technique and handed over to the cops; but not until he had turned the parking lot into a disater zone.
Why? That is the main question. There seem to be some theories that he was inspired by Mein Kampf, a book he listed along with other books, some of a rather left wing nature - as his favourites; or that he had ties to American Renaissance - they have denied any involvement with him. Or that the heated issue of immigration in Arizona had turned most of its citizens into trigger-happy vigilantes.
Interestingly, the National Socialist Movement had recently staged rallies in Arizona - which is one of their key states. Check out their site at www.nsm88.org and there are videos of these rallies on the front page. The NSM by the way is the largest white supremacist group in the US. Oddly, I would say it is the most peaceful - though they promote DVDs with songs like "Juden Raus" and "I Hate Niggers." Most peaceful is a relative phrase, as in, not as bad as the KKK, or Aryan Nation, where a man, usually a prisoner, "kills to get in and dies to get out."
But as bad as these groups are, it is guns that kill. And that is what must be addressed. Or we will have more of these shootings. Whether the gunman (or to be PC, gunperson) is influenced by the NSM or AN or the KKK or just a plain nutter is a moot point; he or she had a gun. Take that away and you leave them in a room alone reading Mein Kampf if that is their favourite tome, or going on anti-government sites or just ranting to themselves about conspiracies; these options are a lot less harmful than 'reloading'.

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amber

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 21:53

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Pathetic and disingenuous attempt to blame Palin and the Tea Party, on absolutely zero evidence.

This Loughner individual is seen burning the US flag on his website - not exactly reminiscent of Palin or the Tea Party is it?

Grow up.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 07:50

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I think the same author pretended Bolivia was a good friend of Israel! He must not have read the news for some years.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 08:00

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I am not even remotely suspect as being a Palin sympathiser, but blaming the shooting on her because a nuts happen to shoot her opponent is just libel.
Palin's violent rhetoric and crosshair ad cannot justify that a Tea Party member shoot Giffords, making sure Democrats will be elected.
And and amber rightly pointed out, burning the American flag is something you will never see at a Tea Party demonstration.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 10:13

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What did I just say!


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 10:32

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Milligramsam and Herr-dman are really active. They even complain about posts in an effort to ban their opponents.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 11:04

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But it doesn't work all the time.


Yoni1

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 11:16

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"what Palin said about reloading - is as inflammatory as a page in Mein Kampf"

What a piece of shit you are.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 11:19

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It's not love anymore, it's rage: Milligramsam's and Herr-dman's obsession to give negative points!


Yoni1

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 14:44

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Don't forget Blind Iris and Quarterdick.


Melvyn Kohn

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 16:23

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in answer to Jose - whose somewhat unintelligible comments are not that easy to answer - I never 'pretended Bolivia was a friend of Israel'. I had attended a meeting at NYU where a Jewish researcher, Laura Gotkowitz, presented a very good historical case about how Bolivia helped Jewish refugees in their time of need - and was the only South American country to do so.
Their present broiges with Israel is probably due to too many Joses out there jumping down people's throats and making a lot of strife...I think Bolivia is an excellent nation and could be a friend of Israel - as most of us are more rational than Jose...who does not seem to have much experience with the country or its people. I do. They love us here in NY - they are a lovely people...
which claim I cannot make for Palin. Why is anyone supporting her? She could not even finish her term as governor of a state with one of the smallest populations in the US. And now she is using the term 'blood libel' to talk about anyone who questions here use of the cross hairs...she does not seem to have a clue, and we do not love her here in NY - most of us vote Democrat just FYI.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 17:05

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Jose...who does not seem to have much experience with the country or its people.

By the way, Spanish is one of my native languages and I was in Bolivia once. How many times were you there, Kohn? Exactly zero, I guess.
Well, that describes you, Kohn: thinking you're a better judge than those who paid to know better.

Bolivia is now an Israel-bashing country, just like its buddy Venezuela.

You are a Palin-hater, and I don't care about her much other than she has the right to speak as she lives in a democracy. But that doesn't give you the right to libel her and doesn't give you the right to ignore the facts that the killer has nothing to do with Tea Party.

Now get your facts straight, forget about your leftist propaganda and avoid posting it here.


Yoni1

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 17:27

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"...I think Bolivia is an excellent nation and could be a friend of Israel - as most of us are more rational than Jose"

What a stupid, ignorant statement.


Yoni1

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 17:27

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"...I think Bolivia is an excellent nation and could be a friend of Israel - as most of us are more rational than Jose"

What a stupid, ignorant statement.


Yoni1

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 17:27

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"...I think Bolivia is an excellent nation and could be a friend of Israel - as most of us are more rational than Jose"

What a stupid, ignorant statement.


amber

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 18:47

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Kohn, who thinks Palin is bad for Israel and Bolivia with its Marxist leadership/dictatorship is good.

A world turned upside down indeed.


amber

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 18:48

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Tell me Kohn, are you in the pay of the Bolivian authorities?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 19:16

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Tell me Kohn, are you in the pay of the Bolivian authorities?

Jose's rule #1: never attribute to corruption what you can attribute to stupidity.


Melvyn Kohn

Fri, 01/14/2011 - 21:05

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Yoni 1 - you need only post a comment once, posting the same thing 3 times in a row is a bit childish...
As to Jose's and Amber's question - I am NOT in the pay of the Bolivian or any other government. Since he speaks Spanish, let me answer him in that tongue:
Usted habla espanol/castellano, pero eso no le hace experto en los asuntos de Bolivia. De veras, espanol, lo que se llama alla castellano, es lengua odiada por muchos - la mayoria no son latinos sino indigenos y prefieren hablar quechua, aymara, o otro idioma indigeno. Su conocimiento de la lengua espanola no le da mas conocimiento do lo que esta pasando en Bolivia que alguien que habla ebreo, ingles o cualquier otro idioma.
Pongase mas trucha y escuche a las personas queines trabajan con los bolivianos hoy por hoy.
Pasando una vez en us pais le califica para ser juez en la corte - muchisimos pasan tiempo aca y alla y saben que no saben mucho del pais; todos los turistas no son expertos. Le pregunta, cuanto tiempo ha pasado en Bolivia y en cual parte del pais? Hay muchos distritos y son muy distintos es su politica, lengua, etc.


Yoni1

Fri, 01/14/2011 - 21:14

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"Yoni 1 - you need only post a comment once, posting the same thing 3 times in a row is a bit childish..."

It's called an Internet glitch, clown - happens to many people on a regular basis when the site freezes for a few seconds.


Melvyn Kohn

Fri, 01/14/2011 - 21:17

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Yoni - I noticed that you have the same habit, er, um, glitch, on other's blogs here...and that noone else on my blog of other blogs seems to encounter these glitches.
But thanks for not posting this last one thrice as you are wont to do.


Yoni1

Fri, 01/14/2011 - 21:21

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It has happened to others to my certain knowledge.
Go see an optician.
Idiot.


jose (not verified)

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 11:58

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and that noone else on my blog of other blogs seems to encounter these glitches.

Kohn, please explain why others have seen Wheelchair, Herr-dman and many other do the same. Basically, it happens when the people get excited when the JC website's response time is very long. Repeated clicks on the "Post comment" button does that. And of course, sometimes, the mouse button has a hiccough.


jose (not verified)

Sat, 01/15/2011 - 12:05

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Pongase mas trucha y escuche a las personas queines trabajan con los bolivianos hoy por hoy.

Es "quienes", estúpido.

But, if you think working with a few Bolivians in NY is the way to know Bolivia and its people or its governement, then you're even more stupid than you look.


Melvyn Kohn

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 14:48

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Yes it is quienes, but I am not the world's best typist...most people could realise
what word I was trying to type. But thank you for your Teutonic efficiency and you attention to detail there Herr Jose...

I work with more than just a few Bolivians and am not restricted to NY in my work with them...

How do you know what I look like? Do you have ESP? Or do you just know everything?


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 15:08

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Yes it is quienes, but I am not the world's best typist...

And you use a number of local slang expressions too.

most people could realise what word I was trying to type.

Not those who don't speak Spanish, which is I guess a majority here.

But thank you for your Teutonic efficiency and you attention to detail there Herr Jose...

Sieg heil, Kohn! I was just making you the same kind of comment that you did to my English... You didn't see the irony of it. Not surprisingly, though.

I work with more than just a few Bolivians and am not restricted to NY in my work with them...

So you are saying that you are very prejudiced about Bolivia. Thanks for your confession!

How do you know what I look like? Do you have ESP? Or do you just know everything?

Just a 'few' computer skills.


Melvyn Kohn

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 15:20

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Jose - so what? I use local slang - since I too am fluent in Spanish...
But I am not in any language saying I am prejudiced about Bolivia...I am being objective. Take it as a confession if you will, as you are wont to twist words and make of things what you will anyway. Why try to stop you?
Is my picture on google - is that what you mean by a few computer skills?
Just what do I look like then if you know so much and have so many skills?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 15:39

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But I am not in any language saying I am prejudiced about Bolivia

Yes, you said it yourself: you work with Bolivians. Therefore you have personal interest and are prejudiced. You don't recognise it as a confession, but that is what it is.

Just what do I look like

Silly.


Melvyn Kohn

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 23:24

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Working with is being prejudiced?
Since when?
I can see their strengths and weaknesses objectively, and also more closely BY working with them than just by writing nasty comments on a website...

If you don't have any experience working with them does that make you objective? Or just ignorant?

I am trying to do a mitzvah here that is a no lose situation; if I can bring them to a closer knowledge of the Jewish community that will help both sides; if it does not work, nothing is lost.

Most people would express some curiosity or doubt about my project in an intelligent fashion, such as, "Hey, Melvyn, you know there are some tensions here, it's a complex situation, but I hope you succeed, if I can help at all let me know..."

But Jose just jumps in and nags me about it as if he had some grudge against Bolivians - who indeed have a problem with nazi and fascist groups, and maybe people who just throw their opinions about like Jose...

BTW, they just had a good meeting with a friend of mine from Haifa...he was sceptical at first, but after meeting them, he was happy I took the initiative I did.

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