"My particular flawed pedigree and personality"


By Jonathan Hoffman
March 17, 2010
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This was how Colonel Desmond Travers - Goldstone Commissioner - at last responded tonight (in a committee room in the UK Parliament) to the question of why he thinks that "British foreign policy is strongly influenced by Jewish lobbyists" (he said it in an interview with Middle East Monitor last month). Mind you, it took several attempts to get him to answer the question, both tonight and at LSE on 8 March:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLsorbo-SpU

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2010/03/09/travers-and-the-tonge-manoeuvre-3...

Again Travers used the 'Tonge Manoeuvre': sow the seed of something outrageous about Israel without actually committing yourself to saying it happened. Tonight it was DIME weapons: Travers suspected these were used though he has no proof. (They weren't). And uranium, in bombs to blow up tunnels (it wasn't).

And his willingness to believe evidence seems to depend on whether it vilifies or supports Israel. Thus he told the meeting that 65 Italian scientists wrote to him today to say they had found toxic chemicals including uranium in hair samples in Gaza. And he believes the testimony of 'Breaking the Silence' - even though none of the IDF veterans is willing to identify himself.

But of course he refuses to believe the photos of evidence that mosques in Gaza were used to store armaments, here:

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/site/home/default.asp?lang=En

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/pdf/g_re...

And Colonels Kemp and Collins - who has looked at some of the mosques in Gaza and says there is evidence of secondary explosions, meaning they were used as armaments stores - have to have been got at by these nefarious "Jewish lobbyists" who control British foreign policy.

"My particular flawed pedigree and personality"................

And we are supposed to accept he's unbiased?

Are those flying pigs?

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richmillett

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 01:07

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He is a Colonel Travesty. How he got onto the Goldstone panel is beyond me. He is incompetent in searching only two out of 14 Mosques for evidence of Hamas weapons. And that's only for starters. Travers and Chinkin have no credibility as investigators.

http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/goldstone-report-debate-s...


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 07:57

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Breaking the Silence not willing to identify themselves? You mean like Hawkeye? Or CityCa? Or Israelinurse? Is this today's instruction from Danny Ayalon?


richmillett

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 11:08

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i despair of you, Moshe, the king of disingenuousness. If you cannot see the difference between people testifying anonymously in a legal case that could end up sending soldiers and politicians to prison for life and a couple of anonymous bloggers then there really is no hope for you.


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 11:19

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Perhaps they wanted to stay anonymous because, like most whistleblowers, they feared repercussions. Just look what happened to New Israel Fund. The far right were quick to lay into that organisation. And we've already seen that the Israeli far right and its foreign pawns have no respect for those who have devoted their lives to Israel if they disagree with them politically. I despair of those who think that what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander. It's called double-standards and hypocrisy.


richmillett

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 11:53

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Moshe, I agree with you. I and Jonathan are not challenging their reason for anonymity, we are just challenging the citing in a legal investigation of their evidence as testimony. Their evidence is useless. On the other side of the coin the investigators had no problem cross-examining Palestinians and the repercussions for them are even worse with Hamas' notorious revenge tactics of throwing their own people of buildings while handcuffed.


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 12:09

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Their evidence is not "useless". Breaking the Silence, in common with other whistleblowers, knows what the Israeli government will do in order to discredit them and make their lives hell. That's the easy way out, rather than actually addressing the issues riased.
I certainly hope, Rich, that you do not want Israel to behave like the Islammist thugs of Hamas. I thought it was supposed to be "the only democracy in the Middle East".


richmillett

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 12:44

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Moshe, I agree it is a hard area and I would also be scared but testimony like this should not be quoted by a Professor of Law. Do you really 100% trust the veracity of such evidence? Do you think it would be admissable in a court of law?


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 12:55

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I believe the evidence should be admissable and tested in a court of law, not just dismissed out of hand because of political opposition to its contents.


richmillett

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 13:09

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You believe it should be? We would all like things in life but anonymous evidence is inadmissable.

There might be a mechanism where they could give evidence in court with media restrictions on reporting their names, I don't know.

That said a Law Professor shouldn't quote untested anonymous evidence. It is the first principle of law!


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Thu, 03/18/2010 - 13:12

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It's only inadmissable in this country, Rich. It isn't inadmissable elsewhere, such as Israel. And as I said, it should be tested in a court, not just dismissed because some people don't like its contents or the politics of the whistleblower.


Inky_Flag

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:30

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Jonathan,
My first time posting as I was at the meeting.

I was wondering how you felt at your treatment by the Metropolitan Police and the Chair- I think they must have been called in about 4 times while you were trying to speak. They kept threatening to remove you.

I was especially concerned the time that you went to collect your papers.

Inky-Flag


Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 18:07

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@Inky_Flag

One has to protest about antisemitism and some Lords or MPs (no names) can't accept that - and so ask the police to censor the protest by removing the protester.

This Chair however (Baroness Northover) was adamant that the protesters should stay. But one of the anti-Israel people in the audience - most irritatingly - kept going out to call the police into the room, presumably because s/he wanted to censor those who were protesting against antisemitism. That's why the police kept running in.


cityca

Fri, 03/19/2010 - 18:43

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Well done Jonathan. I have nothing but admiration for you and the way you stand up for Israel and the rest of us. I wish I had the time to be with you on more occasions but I will certainly be there when I can.

moshetzarfati2
Is that your real name?

If not why did you mention my nom de plume and those of hawkeye and israeli nurse with such condescension?


Jonathan Hoffman

Sat, 03/20/2010 - 09:43

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He cannot produce one link that confirms it is his real name.

Yet he still has the gall to attack others for using false names!


cityca

Sat, 03/20/2010 - 18:32

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moshetzarfati2
Since you ask, I use a nom de keyboard because I happen to have a particularly distinctive name and the anonymity afforded me by cityca gives me the freedom to post without worrying about reprisals from the lunatic left or their fellow travellers.

I initially adopted the name when I began posting on the Guardian CIF pages - now, along with many others, my posts are moderated out of existence but as we live in multicultural Britain along with all that threatens, I'm happy to remain anonymous except to my friends.

BTW, I am not a accountant, chartered or otherwise.


Jonathan Hoffman

Sat, 03/20/2010 - 19:42

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Again: He cannot produce one link that confirms it is his real name.

Yet he still has the gall to attack others for using false names.

Pretty typical.


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Sat, 03/20/2010 - 19:43

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And here's a quote from CiFWatch, his favourite website:

Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society.

Moshe Tzarfati is my real name. Hawkeye is used in cricket. Someone's favourite thing.

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