Miliband's mum: backer of Jews for Justice for Palestinians


By Miriam Shaviv
September 26, 2010
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Much energy has gone into figuring out where the Miliband brothers stand on the Jewish spectrum. For the most part, they show few signs of anything beyond a cursory interest in their Jewish heritage, they are uninvolved in the community, neither of their partners are Jewish and relatively little is known about their positions on Israel.

So here is another element to throw into the mix. According to the BBC and Haaretz, the Milibands' mother, Marion Kozak, is a "a leading member of the Jews for Justice for Palestinians", the group which is on the very margins of the Jewish community.

It is actually unclear just how "leading" she is and what real role she might play. But she certainly is a signatory.

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ibrows

Sun, 09/26/2010 - 19:09

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I wonder if she is onboard the latest humanitarian shipment headed for Gaza which is organised by Jews for Justice for Palestinians


stephenb

Sun, 09/26/2010 - 19:31

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goodness a jew that is for justice for the palestians is on the very margins of the jewish community

that is quite a confession miriam do you want to rethink it ? final answer ? phone a friend ?


happygoldfish

Sun, 09/26/2010 - 19:52

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stephenb, i think miriam means that most of the jewish community are for justice for palestinians and for jews

and so a jew that is for justice for the palestinians only is on the very margins of the jewish community!

(btw, being for justice for one side only is really a contradiction in terms, isn't it? … rather like a referee saying "i believe in being fair to arsenal"! )


ibrows

Sun, 09/26/2010 - 21:40

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Happygoldfish

Perhaps these Jews are affiliated with this organisation as they understand the great injustices that the Palestinians are suffering at the hands of the Israeli state.

Happygoldfish, if we continue your logic that joining a justice for Palestinian organisation is a contradiction in terms as it is only interested in justice for one side, then perhaps you can see the parallel that the Jewish state of Israel, is only interested in its Jewish citizens, and discriminates against the Palestinians, otherwise it would not be a religious state.

Do you also think that it was also wrong to support the black population to end the Apartheid in South Africa, or was helping them achieve justice also a contradiction in terms?


amber

Sun, 09/26/2010 - 22:15

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ibows

What injustice? That the palestinians haven't been successful in several attempts to commit genocide against the Jews of Israel - wars they started and lost?

What about justice for Jewish refugees from Arab lands, who outnumber Arab refugees?


happygoldfish

Sun, 09/26/2010 - 22:40

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ibrows, most of the jewish community also understand the great injustices that the israelis are suffering, and have suffered, at the hands of the palestinians

  • • the many suicide bombings of buses discotheques markets etc
  • • the shootings of civilians in their cars
  • • the daily shelling of civilian areas from gaza causing thousands (tens of thousands?) of physical and mental injuries
  • • the prohibition of jews in palestinian areas (backed up by capital punishment for palestinians involved in selling land to jews)
  • • and the jewish nakba in which jews were expelled from palestinian areas in 1948 without any acknowledgment of any right to return or compensation

ibrows: … the Jewish state of Israel, is only interested in its Jewish citizens, and discriminates against the Palestinians, otherwise it would not be a religious state.

erm … israel is not a religious state, it's a secular state!

and there is no government discrimination against israeli arab citizens, and any private discrimination is probably less than that against minorities in britain

ibrows: Do you also think that it was also wrong to support the black population to end the Apartheid in South Africa, or was helping them achieve justice also a contradiction in terms?

no, because so far as i know the white south africans were not suffering suicide bombs shootings shellings or expulsions, or any other injustice that needed remedying

the israelis are, and have been, suffering many injustices at the hands of the palestinians, but you and the jfjfp refuse to recognise that, and therefore claim that there is no need for justice for israelis

dont you?

newsmax

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 08:37

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Thankfully there are many Jews who support the rights of Palestinians and who support the end of the occupation.
I think Shaviv's opinion about the 'margins of society' said more about her hatred for Palestinians and her desire to see the occupation continue and the humiliation and death of Palestinians to remain a mainstream part of Israeli culture. Thankfully many jews and millions of others oppose this vision.


ibrows

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 09:53

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happygoldfish

'the Jewish nakba'?

I think your find the 1950 law of return allows any Jews from anywhere in the world to settle anywhere in Israel or it appears illegally settle in the occupied Palestinian territories, yet the state of Israel went to great lengths to prevent the Palestinians returning to their land after the Nakba. This is one simple example of the double standards at play, Palestinians were denied the right to return to land they had lived on for generations prior to 1947, yet Jews that have no ties to the land of what became Israel were given these rights.

Benny Morris has documented this extensively based on official Israeli archives which details the efforts of the state to prevent the Palestinian refugees returning to their land, which was subsequently handed over to be settled by Jews.


zair (not verified)

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:23

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I hope some of her good sense has rubbed off on Ed.


happygoldfish

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:40

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ibrows, are you denying that there was a jewish nakba?

are you denying that hundreds of thousands of jews fled arab countries without compensation?

you and the jfjfp refuse to recognise that injustice (and the other injustices to jews), and therefore claim that victims of the arab nakba need justice, but that victims of the jewish nakba don't need justice because they don't exist!

ibrows, do you accept the existence of any of the injustices to israelis that i listed, or the need for justice for them?

Miriam Shaviv

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:44

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"Thankfully there are many Jews who support the rights of Palestinians and who support the end of the occupation.
I think Shaviv's opinion about the 'margins of society' said more about her hatred for Palestinians"

== I didn't say that supporting the rights of Palestinians is on the margins of the Jewish community (not society); I said that the group JfJfP is on the margins of the community, which is a statement of fact. As happygoldfish correctly pointed out, the reason for this is that JfJfP is focused solely on justice for Palestinians, and not justice for both sides of the conflict. The majority of Israelis, and the majority of Jews in the diaspora, I believe, want justice for both.


ibrows

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:55

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Miriam

If the majority of Israeli's and Jews in the diaspora want justice for both Palestinians and Jews, then how come Jews that openly support the Palestinian cause are vilified and attacked?

Like i said above, using this logic, it would have been wrong for me as a white person to support black South Africans fight to end apartheid, (as according to this logic i would not be 'seeking justice for both sides' clearly this argument is nonsense.

Perhaps it is the JC that is on the margins of society, as the vast majority of its contributors are only interested in the rights of Jews and not Palestinians


happygoldfish

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:23

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ibrows, i repeat: do you accept the existence of any of the injustices to israelis that i listed, or the need for justice for them?

if not, then that is why "Jews that openly support the Palestinian cause", but never the same rights for israelis, "are vilified and attacked"

like you, they support the rights of one side, but refuse even to answer when challenged on the rights of the other side!

(as to south africa, the white south africans were not suffering suicide bombs shootings shellings or expulsions, or any other injustice that needed remedying, so jews could and did support the rights of the black south africans as a matter of justice)

newsmax: Thankfully there are many Jews who support the rights of Palestinians and who support the end of the occupation.

ibrows: … the vast majority of its contributors are only interested in the rights of Jews and not Palestinians

most jews, and most jc readers, do support the end of the occupation and palestinian rights generally, but not the right of palestinians to kill jews, nor an end to the occupation before the palestinians agree to give up that particular right!


ibrows

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:38

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happygoldfish

of course i accept the rights of Jews within Israel. But upholding Jewish rights, does not justify a total collective punishment of all Palestinians, due to the actions of the tiny minority (Hamas). This is deeply racist and discriminatory, no different from saying 'all Blacks are X', or all Irish are y', these are collective punishments that discriminate against all Palestinians, and ignore the true nature of the Israeli occupation.

As i have stressed before, to claim all Palestinians want to kill Jews is ridiculous. Plus, the Israeli occupation pre-dates Hamas control of Gaza, so you cannot justify the continued occupation as a 'defensive move against Hamas', as the occupation has existed since 1967.


ibrows

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:41

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happygoldfish

Your a total hypocrite, as your saying that you believe Israeli rights are more important than the rights of all Palestinians that are subjected to a collective punishment in the occupied Palestinian territories.

So your argument is actually undermined by your own position.


amber

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 21:02

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ibrows,

not very bright are you? Hamas a "tiny minority"? Then why did they win the elections? Were all those who voted Hamas a "tiny minority"?

Furthermore, antisemitism is indeed endemic in Palestinian society. Fatah regularly broadcasts children's programmes which depict Jews as "apes and pigs", and extol the virtues of killing Jews in suicide attacks. Sermons are also broadcast, calling for the murder of all Jews on earth. And that's Fatah, not Hamas. Hamas, for its part, openly calls for the extermination of every Jew on earth in its charter.

As for your "collective punishment" argument, one could apply that to all war. Germans were "collectively punished" in a far worse way, with mass bombing that deliberately targeted civilians. But even today, one could argue that Afghans are "collectively punished" by Nato. And aren't Palestinian rocket and suicide attacks collective punishment of Israelis?

You are an antisemitic joke. Still proud of your equation of the Holocaust and Deor Yassin? You are disgusting.


happygoldfish

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 23:26

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ibrows: of course i accept the rights of Jews within Israel.

but you don't accept the existence of any of the injustices to israelis that i listed, or the need for justice for them, do you?

you refuse to recognise, or even mention, the injustice of the hundreds of thousands of jews who fled arab countries without compensation, the injustice of jews being killed in suicide bombings, in shootings, in the daily shelling of sderot, etc, or even of fatah palestinians being murdered by hamas

ibrows: … to claim all Palestinians want to kill Jews is ridiculous.

i agree … obviously, only a small proportion of palestinians want to kill jews … when did i say, or even imply, otherwise?

unfortunately, their leaders, and many western supporters such as yourself, seem to regard it as a right

ibrows: … you cannot justify the continued occupation as a 'defensive move against Hamas' …

what are you talking about? i never said anything about a 'defensive move against Hamas'! but since you raise it, the justification of the occupation since 1967 (continuing the oppressive occupation by jordan, and the less oppressive occupation by egypt, from 1948 to 1967) is that israel lawfully occupied according to the international rules of war, and is entitled to continue to do so so long as the palestinians refuse to negotiate a peace treaty finally resolving the conflict, ie finally accepting israel's right to exist, with guarantees that they will not continue to attack israel

ibrows: But upholding Jewish rights, does not justify a total collective punishment of all Palestinians, due to the actions of the tiny minority (Hamas).

if you mean the jewish right to live in sderot without the thousands (tens of thousands?) of physical and mental injuries caused by being shelled daily, then international law relating to armed conflict applies, and the victim (israel) is entitled to respond with either military attacks, or economic sanctions …

either of these will inevitably cause some "punishment" of the enemy population, but that does not make it illegal

oh, and this "tiny minority", as you describe it, happens to be the government!

ibrows: happygoldfish
Your a total hypocrite, as your saying that you believe Israeli rights are more important than the rights of all Palestinians that are subjected to a collective punishment in the occupied Palestinian territories.

for the third time … i never said anything of the sort!

having been challenged to recognise, or at least to be willing to talk about, injustice to jews, you've thrice tried to avoid doing so by inventing and then criticising quotations from me

you're for justice for palestinians (like most jews), but you'll do anything to avoid mentioning injustices against jews

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