Mick Davis - what's not to like?


By telegramsam
November 18, 2010
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From the selection presented by the JC:

On Jewish leadership:
If you try to characterise the leadership of the Jewish community…you would probably find most of them are left of centre in thinking about Israel, that they strongly support a two-state solution, they are worried about the rights of minorities.
I think you have a left of centre leadership with a genuine concern about minority issues, concerned about the moral dilemmas that we face, concerned about where Israel goes, but it's a leadership which has never, ever spoken up publicly about that.
Issues that cause moral dilemmas for leaders:
Additional building on settlements, or the bulldozing of houses of people in circumstances which just doesn't seem to be morally conscionable… forcing non-Jews to take an oath about the nature of the Jewish state…the fact that many Arab Israelis live in circumstances of extreme poverty - that is not to say some Jewish Israelis don't either - and have a second class service delivery from the state.
Why leaders have been reluctant to speak publicly about such issues:
Those are issues that ideally we would like to talk about…but you are fearful of doing that, because you then suddenly say: 'Well, is it possible that those things will get picked up and woven into the debate of the delegitimisers and present a platform from which they then grow in strength?'
In Europe, and this country in particular, there is a strong sense amongst the leadership, and I guess most of the community, that there is a concerted effort to delegitimise the state. Not to attack Israel's policies, but actually question whether the state as a Jewish state should exist.
On Benjamin Netanyahu:
I object to the fact that Netanyahu hasn't got the courage to take the steps that he would like to take. I think he would like to be seen as the person who makes the great advance…He is a prisoner of the past and a prisoner of the circumstances that he finds himself in. I don't understand the lack of strategy in Israel.
The risk of Israel becoming an apartheid state:
If… the world community no longer believes that a two-state solution is possible, we de facto become an apartheid state because we then have the majority who are going to be governed by the minority.
Israel is not today an apartheid state… Even though we have things that are entirely offensive to us passed in the Knesset, those things come from tactical issues rather than from anything else and do not represent the mainstream of Israeli society. We still have wonderfully fertile ground to build the moral nation that we want to have.
On why diaspora philanthropy is not enough:
I think the government of Israel …have to recognise that their actions directly impact on me as a Jew living in London. When they do good things it is good for me, when they do bad things, it's bad for me. And the impact on me is as significant as it is on Jews living in Israel… I want them to recognise that.
On Anglo-Jewry:
I think there is not only amongst young people but quite a few Jews in this country a desire to see a discussion take place which echoes views about Israel which address the current dilemmas, without wanting to at the same time be attacked and labelled as a self-hating Jew.

It's about time these things were said. It's about time those who stand with the BNP/EDL are put back in their place. They have had it easy for far too long.

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telegramsam

18 November, 2010 - 21:18

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There speaketh the man defeated by Pro-Zion.


Jon_i_Cohen

18 November, 2010 - 21:32

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Outrageous!
Now the lunatics really are taking over the assylum.
Who does Mick Davis speak for?
NOT for me.
And not for the majority of UK Jewry.
He is not elected by anyone.
He is not a Politician.
He works for or heads up a fund raising organisation.
He speaks for himself and his little clique of wealthy power crazed friends that gave him his position with UJIA.
What gives him the right to publicly crtisise Israel and it's Prime Minister?
Sad to see that he has succumbed to the current malaise of political correctness, creeping leftism and the deliberate miss-intertpretation of the word "apartheid".
Thank goodness in the overall scheme of things the opinions of UK Jewry are insignificant.
With "so-called" friends like this, who needs enemies.


Jonathan Hoffman

18 November, 2010 - 22:22

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Come on Jon, he's a wealthy businessman, he must be right about Israel

:-)


Avraham Reiss

18 November, 2010 - 22:32

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Smells strongly of NIF.

And by what right does he say "we" when talking about Israel?


Jon_i_Cohen

18 November, 2010 - 22:32

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Of course Jonathan, how silly of me ! :-)


Jon_i_Cohen

18 November, 2010 - 22:34

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NO right at all Avraham - just his opinion!


Kahina

18 November, 2010 - 23:44

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Mick Davis doesn't speak for me and reading his views here, he doesn't speak for anyone I know. He seems totally out of touch.

Israel is a democracy, and Bibi and the Knesset represent the spectrum of Israeli voters. Those who are unhappy with him need to make Aliyah and vote for an opposition party.

As I posted earlier in Yehuda Erdman's blog - I know a few hundred people in the UK and France who do have a vote in the Israeli elections, and the majority have moved over to YB.

The last election results show the truth of this shift.


ibrows

19 November, 2010 - 00:20

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Jon, i came in a bit late, and thought you were talking about Jonny, it was mainly this bit that gave me that impression

'Now the lunatics really are taking over the asylum.
Who does ....[Jonny???] speak for?
NOT for me.
And not for the majority of UK Jewry.
He is not elected by anyone.
He is not a Politician.
He works for or heads up a fund raising organisation.
He speaks for himself and his little clique of wealthy power crazed friends...'


Ufara Bat-Asherah

19 November, 2010 - 09:25

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http://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2010/11/radical-choudary-defiant-after-...

The EDL Jewish Division campaigned for the whole of the last week to get this event cancelled.
It seems they just managed to do it.

What have you done, Kapo/Sam?

Btw, I did not bother reading the above article. I saw the end of the line and though.. more crap as usual.

Show me what you have done to protect Jews and fight for Zionism.


Ufara Bat-Asherah

19 November, 2010 - 11:20

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Mick Davis... the Kapo-in-chief.
ahan...
Who gives a crap about what he says? He doesn't speak for me either.


Yvetta

19 November, 2010 - 11:43

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Let all golus nudniks of that ilk settle in Israel, where they can kevetch about Israeli policy to their heart's content and - more importantly - use their democratic votes to try to change the government that they despise.
In the meantime, let them keep shtum and support the democratically elected government of Israel.
Simple!


Ufara Bat-Asherah

19 November, 2010 - 15:08

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Yvetta, if I had my way, these kapos would have been exposed and punished for treason by now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapo_(concentration_camp)

It's time the real Jews in this community turn against these kapos and give them no more platform to spew their hate. If the JC will not get rid of these kapos then I guess we should boycott the JC too.

What we need is a platform for discussion with like minded people who have Israel's and Jews' best interests at heart. And I only found this in the EDL, and not only within the Jewish division. At least all the EDL members I met are very pro-Israel/pro-Zionism/pro-Jews.

The media and the kapos are constantly lying about the EDL so that they don't get support and grow. Of course, they are a threat to the kapos and their kapo-in-chief.

It's time we had a true Jewish leadership.


Yehuda Erdman

21 November, 2010 - 21:58

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Mr Davis
I think you can see from the above rhetoric what we are up against here. There are a whole bunch of people who are taking leave of their senses.
I did read your interview in the JC, and also other associated articles both pro and con. Naturally there are differences of opinion, which to my mind is very healthy within Anglo-Jewry. If indeed you are correct that many Jewish leaders in the UK are inclined to so-called left wing views regarding the policies of the current israeli Government I am right behind you.
In Meretz UK (I am Chair) we have been trying for years to point out the folly of Israel not doing much more to speed up the Two State solution to the Israel/ Palestine conflict.
You can see from this Blog and others in the JC, that there are sections who oppose even freedom of expression, never mind anyone having courageously like yourself actually said something very new and bold.


Kahina

21 November, 2010 - 22:35

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What amazes me is nobody is addressing is that it is the Israelis who have voted for the right wing parties. Why can't we respect their choices, instead of expecting them to behave like North West London Jews? They live different lives and have real enemies threatening their very being.

Israelis are you and me. It's just that our great grandparents took different boats and trains when leaving their countries. Our lives are relatively safe here in the UK, although for how long, who knows.

As I keep saying, at grass roots level British Jews have become as right wing as the Israelis but don't say it openly as there is too much community tut-tutting. Go and have a look at the comments on Robin Shepherd's blog.

Yehuda, if you want to win support back for Meretz you need to change the tune. The old one just ain't withit any more.


Yoni1

21 November, 2010 - 23:07

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Right wing? Really? In what way? Supporting Israel?

One thing is clear, though: the leadership are a bunch of cowards in not fighting Islamic antisemitism (and the antisemitism of their fellow travellers) far more vigorously.


Kahina

21 November, 2010 - 23:23

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Yes, it's pathetic. If you support Israel you're seen as rightwing. If you want to critisise Israel you're a leftwinger.

I'm just picking up the local terminology.


amber

21 November, 2010 - 23:49

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Kahina, I agree completely. And Robin Shepherd does sterling work - better than many Jewish organizations - at fighting antisemitism and the current wave of anti-Israel bigotry.


Ufara Bat-Asherah

23 November, 2010 - 13:14

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Yehuda Erd(OGAN)man another KAPO. OMG!!
This place is simply INFESTED with them!

Hey Yehuda, why don't you go and live in Gaza and demand a two state solution from there?
I can pay for your one way ticket. Put your money where your mouth is. It's very well and good to incite hate for Israel from behind your Israeli computer, but I don't think you have enough cojones (balls) to do what you preach. Go ahead. I challenge you to prove me wrong.

Now continue to have fun talking to yourself or is it your imaginary friend?

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