Mark Steel: No guns? They must be terrorists


By yankeeuxb
August 9, 2010
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Mark Steel: No guns? They must be terrorists

So it might seem these procedures are pointless, in which case it makes no difference that the Israelis have agreed to co-operate with a United Nations inquiry into the episode in which nine people died after the Israeli Defence Force went aboard the Mavi Marmara as it sailed towards Gaza.

But it seemed to matter to the Israelis, because until this week they insisted their own inquiry was sufficient, and that was already under way. One fact emerging from this process was that the victims, according to "Sgt S" who shot six of them, "were without a doubt terrorists". And he produced evidence to back this up, which was: "I could see the murderous rage in their eyes".

This matches the classic definition of a terrorist according to international law, as someone "with murderous rage in their eyes", and shows the key witness in any terrorist trial isn't the forensics expert or explosives analyst but an optician. If they're trained well enough they can shine a light at the iris and tell whether you're short-sighted, long-sighted, Hamas or Basque separatist.

But there was more. According to the Jersusalem Post the IDF told the inquiry that the group on the boat were "well-trained and likely ex-military" because "each squad of the mercenaries was equipped with a Motorola communication device, so they could pass information to one another". A Motorola communication device? So these so-called peace-activists were armed with mobile phones! It's a wonder the whole Middle East wasn't set alight. And to think Motorola and other sinister arms dealers such as Nokia and Orange go round trading in this deadly merchandise quite openly.

One possible difficulty in proving the optically murderous gang's intent could be that none of them had guns. But the IDF dealt with that by saying the "mercenaries" preferred to use "bats, metal bars and knives, since opening fire would have made it blatantly clear they were terrorists and not peace activists". So this was another cunning trick of the terrorists, to disguise the fact they were terrorists by not doing anything terrorist.

Even more blatantly, the inquiry was told the group did have guns on board, but "the mercenaries threw their weapons overboard after the commandos took control of the vessel". Because that's classic guerrilla training, to carry guns right up until the moment when the enemy arrives, and then throw them away. This is the strategy of all great military thinkers.

On and on this goes, with Prime Minister Netanyahu making it clear he agrees with it, himself calling the victims "mercenaries". Because these mercenaries were trying to get goods such as medicine to an area that's under a blockade, which is typical mercenary behaviour, except instead of gun-running, they were inhaler-running.

But bit by bit Israel is finding it has to answer for itself publicly, and the old excuses are not so easily accepted. From now on they'll have to put a bit more thought into their bollocks, which has got to be for the good.

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Joshua18

9 August, 2010 - 15:33

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In Europe, it used to be a sine qua non that Jews were not allowed to defend themselves, no matter what. Nothing better demonstrated that than the Holocaust when the vast majority of gentiles in Europe either collaborated with the Nazis in that genocide or remained supremely indifferent to the plight of the Jews. The Allies were no different and as far as the Jews of Europe were concerned nations like Britain and the U.S. might as well have been fighting under the Swastika as their respective flags. Today, as far as Israel is concerned, absolutely nothing has changed. No matter what methods Israel uses to defend herself against Islamofascist terror she will be attacked and deligitimized. One of the methods "anti-Zionists" (yes, we are well aware what they really are) use to further their ultimate goal of the destruction of Israel is to blatantly lie, often by deliberately ommiting salient details. There is no better example of this kind of Goebbels-like propaganda than this utterly shameless and despicable piece by Mark Steel. If you doubt me, simply read this piece by Mark Gardner of the Community Security Trust:

My Jewish Optician Might Shoot Me

"It is neither CST’s desire nor role to act as a public relations outlet for Israel.

However, when antisemitism arises, directly, because facts have been deliberately omitted from an anti-Israel article, we will say so.

Today’s Independent provides one very small example of this. In this instance, the anti-Israel criticism, with not a word about Jews, is provided by columnist and comedian, Mark Steel.

Steel’s article is a disgraceful perversion of a Jerusalem Post interview with Israeli commandoes from the Turkish flotilla clash. Steel claims that Israeli “Sgt S” said the six people he shot “were without a doubt terrorists”."

Follow the link to read the rest of the article:

http://thecst.org.uk/blog/?p=1813


yankeeuxb

9 August, 2010 - 15:39

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Defend herself? Israel?

What by attacking unarmed civilians?

How does that figure?

Mark Steel was making the point, a point which is well understood, that there were no 'terrorists' on the boat and neither were there any weapons.

Yet israel maintains its lie that the boat was full of 'terrorists' armed with the intention of attacking israel (even though they were in international waters and weren't even sailing towards Isreal)

This is the 'bollox' that Mark Steel refers to. The bollox that no one beleives any longer.

'Aint that so Mr Cameron?


happygoldfish

9 August, 2010 - 16:10

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yankeeuxb, you missed out mark steel's racist but oh so funny comment

If the IDF were asked to police a rock festival, at the moment when everyone used their mobiles to take a photo they'd open fire on the whole crowd. Then once 3,000 were dead, Sgt S would say: "Well done, boys, if we hadn't been so careful that could have turned quite nasty."

(that's from the article you copied without giving the source … http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mark-steel/mark-steel-...)

humour is always an excellent way of promoting racism

racist comedians don't need to provide sources for their "facts", and can get away with making up "defences" and then criticising them

thankyou for exposing him …

racist comedians are always the funniest!

Advis3r

9 August, 2010 - 20:21

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obviously this post is copied from the outrageous mark Steel article in the Independent which Mark Gardener superbly fisks on the CST website. So desperate is this enemy of Israel that he stoops to plagerisms - even when the article from which he borrows has already been shown to be a crock of manure.


amber

9 August, 2010 - 21:56

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yankeeuxb, Mark Steel is an apologist for every cCommunist dictatorship and police state that has ever existed. He is a self declared Communist.

If the article in which you are so in thrall was written by a Nazi, would that be OK too?


amber

9 August, 2010 - 22:00

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Furthermore, they were not unarmed. All those Israeli soldiers were stabbed by unarmed people?

How very silly.

Did you miss the footage of the "activists" chanting antisemitic epithets before sailing, and expressing their wishes to become "shaheeds"?

Did you miss them telling the Jewish sailors to "go back to Auschwitz"? And dod you miss the footage of them beating the soldiers, who arrived with paintball guns, to unconsciousness, before the soldiers had done anything?

Did you miss that?


Yvetta

10 August, 2010 - 08:25

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Well said, Amber! A most salient reminder ...
I must say, the more I see of Mark Gardner, the more I admire him.


raycook

10 August, 2010 - 09:06

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these mercenaries were trying to get goods such as medicine to an area that's under a blockade, which is typical mercenary behaviour, except instead of gun-running, they were inhaler-running

There was no aid on the Mavi Marmara. Not one thing. Just a few hundred fools and a bunch of murderers.

If they wanted to get aid to Gaza they should have gone to Ashdod as requested.

This was a political act pure and simple from the activists who were hijacked by a bunch of jihadis linked to Al Qaeda whose actions they and now you support.


ibrows

10 August, 2010 - 16:04

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Did you all miss the fact that the Israeli footage was severely edited, it was spliced together from footage of several ships to give a misleading picture, as was pointed out by the fact that the voice of one woman, was found on a Israeli release, it claimed was from one ship, when in fact the woman concerned had not been on that ship.


DLeigh-Ellis

10 August, 2010 - 18:04

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Nothing wrong with being a communist Amber, you are catagorically wrong to equate 'being a communist,' with 'every communist dictatorship and police state that ever existed.' If you disagree with Mark Steel it should be because of some problem with his article, not due to your own political prejudice.

There are of course some problems with what has been termed as 'orthodox' Communism when it is put in the hands of fanatics, or established too fast over a large area, but no more than when any well-spoken nutter gets hold of an ideology. At least it has a little more ethical grounding than Capitalism or Plutocracy.

You know that many of the original Kibbutzim were established on communist and anarchist lines? In fact, Zionism as a philosophy had many communist influences when it was first established. Furthermore, Judaism itself has a long history of association with anarchist thought. The late Rabbi Yehuda Ashlag in particular,

(From Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Israel)

'Ashlag supported the Kibbutz movement and preached to establish a network of self-ruled internationalist communes, who would eventually annul the brute-force regime completely, for “every man did that which was right in his own eyes.”, because there is nothing more humiliating and degrading for a person than being under the brute-force government [3]. However, most of the contemporary followers of Ashlagian Kabbalah seem to ignore the radical teachings of their rebbe.'

Should probably add that I'm not a communist myself, before I also get accused of being a 'red apologist,'


amber

10 August, 2010 - 18:49

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DLeigh-Ellis, it is interesting that you think there is nothing wrong with belonging to a political creed which murdered 60 million Chinese, 25 million Soviet citizens of various nationalities, and several million others in Asia, Africa and Latin America during the last 100 years. Every single example of Communist governance has led to a loss of freedom, tyranny, and injustice. And guess what - they always have the Jews in their sights - eventually.

That you should defend Mark Steel, who belongs to such a disgusting creed, is astonishing - and degenerate.


telegramsam

10 August, 2010 - 21:17

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Degenerate, Amber? Please read Hans Fallada's brilliant Alone in Berlin to see when Communists were last called a degenerate creed.


Harvey

10 August, 2010 - 22:30

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Amber /Josh and others

Why on earth do you feed these trolls

JC - Do you have any policy whatsoever regarding who may blog on this site .

Yank etc

Your posts are execrable ,mendacious and borderline antisemitic .Surely you would be better placed blogging on MPAC and Islam on Line where I guarantee your posts would be well received.


amber

10 August, 2010 - 22:52

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telegramsam, please think. The Nazis also declared themselves against crime - does that mean crime is a good thing?

I am reminded of a story about Kingsley Amis who, when hearing some old friends joke about being a group of old Communists together, declared that they wouldn't be laughing about being old Nazis, and that he was ashamed of having been sympathetic to "the cause."

Seems some still haven't grown out of it.


amber

10 August, 2010 - 22:53

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Harvey, you are right. I am simply countering them because the JC lets them spew a diet of hatred and bile against the Jewish state. I just don't want to leave the field open to them.


DLeigh-Ellis

11 August, 2010 - 08:08

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Amber, show me an example of a creed that hasn't murdered people when placed in the hands of fanatics and you may actually have a point... People have killed in the name of democracy, theocracy, oligarchy and any other system you would care to name.

So are you saying that Kibbutzim led to loss of freedom and injustice, and bad news for jews?

As I said before, communism works in small localities but is harder to implement over large distances.

But come on, do you think we would have such important organisations such as the wikymedia commons, the free software movement, shareware, even the BBC. everything that stands against the onslaught that is big business, without the influence of communist thought.

You clearly have not read Marx, you clearly have a very one sided view of what communism is. Capitalism has killed as many people in its own wars you know!


raycook

11 August, 2010 - 11:06

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I posted on another thread but worth repeating here:

New video posted on Elder of Ziyon:

The clip, released on Army Radio’s website Wednesday morning – although currently not viewable, apparently because of the heavy demand – shows Zouabi standing next to a group of Turks who are armed with clubs and metal bars.

It is likely that they were among the mob that attacked the sparsely-armed IDF soldiers who rappelled down onto the ship after it refused to adhere to IDF orders to change course. Though the mob proceeded to beat and injure several soldiers, including one very seriously, the small IDF force was able to recover and kill nine attackers.

MK Zouabi said repeatedly after the incident, and again today, that though she was on the ship, she had no knowledge of any preparations for a violent attack on IDF soldiers. Knesset Speaker Ruby Rivlin said he plans to submit the tapes to the Attorney General and to the Knesset Ethics Committee.

Filmed in the stairwell of one of the ship's below-board floors, the clip first shows Zouabi with an orange life-jacket, standing and talking with mob members. One Israel Navy soldier testified that it was at this point that three of his comrades were being dragged below in an attempt to kidnap them; according to his testimony, it is unlikely that Zouabi did not see this.
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The second half of the video is no less important. As pointed out in the Balfour Street blog, Zouabi is actually arguing with the IDF soldiers who want to evacuate the wounded to Israeli hospitals! Both she and another terror-supporting "activist" say that the injured do not want to be treated in Israeli hospitals. Apparently, they were hoping for more deaths. (She continues to deny knowing that the MM passengers had weapons.)

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-mavi-marmara-video-and-fift...


amber

11 August, 2010 - 12:49

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DLeigh-Ellis, that is classic moral relativism. Following on in your "logic", there is nothing wrong with being a Nazi, as every creed has killed, and in fact, capitalism has killed more than Nazism.

I had no idea we live in a capitalist society which is worse than living in Nazi Germany. Thanks for setting me straight on that.


Isca Stieglitz

11 August, 2010 - 12:58

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Yankee: please don't retort by posting 'pro-flotilla footage'; I have taken the time to view lots of evidence from all sides in this incident and you were asking for evidence from the 'anti-flotilla camp'.

I am sure you've seen all this anyway or of a like ilk.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=flotilla+captain+interview&a...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHiQE-Bf5lk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uUTh6LyUs4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaiMjAULWn0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kr-F9M54eo

Of course, sources should be checked and double checked as far as is possible, but taking out the fakes and any doctoring/ splicing on any side, still leaves a lot to contend with.


Isca Stieglitz

11 August, 2010 - 13:16

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Yankee: of course I was more referring to your other post, which has now been closed.

However, with regard to the Israeli soldier, 'murderous eyes' and 'motorolas', you are no doubt now aware that these comments are taken completely out of context from the original interview and that the full interview gives a totally different tone.

As with all these types of issues, after examining as much written/ visual/ aural evidence as is possible, we can't know 'the whole truth' even if we accept 'doctoring' from both sides - whatever 'truth' is or means, we have to decide which sources we ultimately trust the most overall.


DLeigh-Ellis

11 August, 2010 - 15:18

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You are most welcome Amber, of course, that is nothing like what I said but of course you are free to misinterpret me as defending the Nazis.

Well done on turning it around like that!! You clever old bean you :)


Anonymous

11 August, 2010 - 16:04

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