Lord Wallace

"why I will defend Jenny "

As soon as I saw those words, that's it - no need to read any more.

Unfortunately for you Matthew you are "flogging a dead horse" on this web-site as there is no denying the fact that the senior leadership of the Lib Dem's are anti-Israel - right up to your new TV superstar / Tony Blair impersonator, Mr Nick Clegg, who has called for Israel to be disarmed.
Whatever is said about Jenny Tonge, whilst she remains a Director of The Palestine Telegraph, the terrorist newspaper), you, your party are wasting your time trying to defend her.

Whilst the Jewish vote is small compared to the Muslim vote, we do have influence and in the likely event of a hung parliament eveything will be done to lobby against Mr "super smooth / TV personality" Clegg becoming Foreign Minister.

There were a lot fewer than 150 there - maybe 100 - because it was held far from London.

And as you know full well, it takes a lot to move the average Deputy to walk out of a Plenary.

"I also agree with large parts of it".

Which parts?

That the EU should put conditions on Israel's trade agreement?

That attempts are made to stifle criticism of israel by labelling it "antisemitic"?

That Israel practises "collective punishment?"

That Israel should be held to a different standard than many other countries?

Matthew Offord will be so pleased to read this.

Matthew, any chance of posting a copy of that transcript?

Thanks - I did post the transcript, but the JC removed it, for very good editorial reasons (which were explained to me, and with which I agree, but which I won't go into here, for reasons that will eventually become apparent...). Ben, I shall email you the transcript.

I am fascinated, having read the transcript, to read Jonathan's "interesting" interpretation of what was actually said! The full transcript will be very publicly available in the near future, at which point people can judge for themselves.

Matthew

What am I falsely accusing Lord Wallace of saying:

- That the EU should put conditions on Israel's trade agreement?

- That attempts are made to stifle criticism of israel by labelling it "antisemitic"?

- That Israel practises "collective punishment?"

- That Israel should be held to a different standard than many other countries?

Please do tell us - bearing in mind that there is a recording ..........

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/30643/lib-dem-lords-deputy-leader-caus...

Substantial sections of the address are reproduced verbatim here

Please email me the transcript as well, Matthew.

I assume it is the one taken verbatim from the recording?

Thanks for the transcript. All my points are there.

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/the-lib-dungs

Stop Press: The publication of which Baroness Tonge is a Patron is featuring a neo-Nazi Jew-hating video from David Duke.

"I read it with great interest. I have always viewed William Wallace as a constructive critic of Israel who, as a senior foreign policy academic, has much to say that is both useful and interesting. He describes himself as a critical friend of Israel."

A friend? Utter rubbish. With friends like that the Jewish people really do not need enemies.

A Jew would have to be stark raving mad to vote for your loathsome party.

"As a friend of Israel myself, I find a great deal to agree with in William's words. I know a great many other friends of Israel who will agree with me on that,"

Yes, but those few misguided individuals hold those views because they love their country. Liberal Democrats hold those views because they hate the Jewish state.

Given Britain's role in the Holocaust, her conduct in post-war Palestine and the countless thousands of innocents killed by British forces in conflicts in the Malivinas, Serbia, Iraq, Ireland and Afghanistan, there is also something really rather hypocritical about such "criticism" which in reality has more to do with the deligitimisation of the Jewish state.

You know, nothing is more guaranteed to get up the noses of Jews than the sight of some overweight, red-faced Brit with his naturally haughty air and sneering manner upbraiding the Jewish state for this and that. It reminds us too well of the Brits who prevented our brothers and sisters escaping from Europe and also of those members of your military machine who took such delight in beating and shooting us in Palestine.

"While I disagree with some parts of what Lord Wallace said, I also agree with large parts of it."

Which parts do you agree with?

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Pieces about Lord Wallace's appalling comments

Engage: Senior Lib Dem defends his antisemitic colleague [do read the very interesting comments)

http://tinyurl.com/2g5aerm

Harry's Place: Lord Wallace Defends Tonge

http://tinyurl.com/275fq27

Do you also agree with your party's animosity towards faith schools, Matthew?

Well, I'm Jewish myself and I have a number of Jewish friends and relations who are voting Lib Dem across the country...My party does not have any animosity towards faith schools. I spoke in defence of faith schools in this debate: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7930628.stm in which we voted to retain state faith schools. I arranged for Vince Cable to speak for faith schools in the same debate. Here's a thought: when did you last see a news story about a debate at Labour or Tory conference? My party actually debates things and allows elected Conference Reps to vote.

http://www.paltelegraph.com/
Does your party support this?
Or is Jenny Tonge a lone Liberal voice,
Silly me, forgot about Lord Wallace defending said Jenny Tonge and your new "Blair impersonator Mr TV superstar" Clegg calling for Israel to be disarmed, as for Menzies/Ming or is it Minge Campbell, I think we can put his views down to senility.
Of course not everyone is going to vote in a UK domestic election on the basis of a parties view on the Middle East - but please dont insult us by blogging on this site purporting that your party is a friend of Israel, because the leadership are clearly not.

Matthew, your party has a visceral hatred of faith schools, it seems - that's why Christian leaders have expressed real fear over the last few days. Your party has proved that it is neither Liberal nor Democratic by wishing to prevent faith schools from deciding on whom to admit as pupils. And that spells the effective end of faith schools.
Any practising Jew who cherishes the idea of Jewish continuity and of Israel's security should give your party the widest of wide berths.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7612485/General-Election-2...

Matthew you need to read your Party's manifesto!

“We will ensure that all faith schools develop an inclusive admissions policy and end unfair discrimination on grounds of faith”

Thank you, Jonathan, but you have been misinformed, the manifesto actually reads:

"Allow parents to continue to choose faith-based schools within the state-funded sector and allow the establishment of new faith schools. We will ensure that all faith schools develop an inclusive admissions policy and end unfair discrimination on grounds of faith when recruiting staff, except for those principally responsible for optional religious instruction."

Hmm, it seems I know how to bold text, but not how to unbold it! Never mind.

I have had the same issue re the unbolding problem matthew,

but yes... Jonathan has many times made it clear that he has misunderstood things put to him... Don't worry about it, he thrives on anger and misinformation.

Yes I was misinformed, by that Telegraph article which was a blatant misquote from the manifesto.

When I am wrong I say so!

To end bolding, use the unbold tag (open angle bracket, forward slash, b, close angle bracket).

It was 5 Deputies out of around 60 (I counted them as they left). And the whole event was like watching a car crash in slow motion. Wallace was awful and obviously had the Deputies down as a bunch of nutty neo-cons.