Lieberman blames women for rape


By telegramsam
December 2, 2010
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As some of you have so kindly pointed out, blaming Israel for the rising racism of its population is like blaming women for rape. This is exactly what Avigdor Lieberman does here.

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amber

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:29

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Just as you blame Israel for the violence she faces.

Hypocritical idiot.


telegramsam

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:39

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Jonathan, good morning. How are you? I respectfully think you missed the point. It's an easy thing to do. Just as some here, and I am not naming names, have used the analogy of blaming a woman for rape against those who have had the audacity to point out that Israel and Israelis are becoming more racist, Lieberman is blaming the Arabs for this racism (which is like blaming women for rape).


amber

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:41

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Tell me tspam, do you get up in the morning and think what Jew can I attack today?

Every one of your posts is an attackon another Jew - and ne'er a criticism of any Arab state or terror group.

That is racism. So anything you say is not constructive, because it stems from racist hatred.


telegramsam

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:43

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Amber, thanks. May I turn the tables: Do you get up in the morning and think how can I defend the indefensible?
I am not attacking Jews, with all due respect. It's Israeli policies I am not keen on. Do you think that Israel is synonymous with Jews?


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:48

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I don't think Spammo is an authentic Jew.


Jon_i_Cohen

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:50

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t'sam,
It is not the same at all and it is not an acceptable analogy. Nowhere in the article you link to does it say anything about "rape".

You are just trying to stir up trouble as usual.

Why don't the moderators see you for what you are?

Unless it is true that you work for the JC and are on the blog to "play devils advocate".


amber

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:54

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tspam, I get up an dthink how can I defend the bullied against the bullies - which is what you are. You do not sinply criticize Israeli policies within a wider context of the conflict - you ONLY attack Israel (and not always policies either - you last was an attack on Israelis, who you claim are mostly racists). That isn't a policy, is it tspam?

You are a classic Jew hater. Even when outright antisemites like zair or stephen b spewed forth their hatred, you even sided with them.


amber

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 10:56

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This is what tspam just wrote on another blog:

"if Israel acts to a higher standard than anywhere in the ME, and is found wanting, then it guilty of antisemitism."

Can anyone explain what the hell this means?


jose (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 11:22

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This is what tspam just wrote on another blog:
"if Israel acts to a higher standard than anywhere in the ME, and is found wanting, then it guilty of antisemitism."
Can anyone explain what the hell this means?

You think he cares to understand what he writes?
Don't take such pain trying to find a meaning. Just consider it should be something not nice for Israel, since it is the only country he is able to criticise!


jose (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 11:29

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Tspam, you don't understand what Lieberman says. He doesn't say the Arab countries are responsible for the increased racism of Israelis towards Israeli Arab citizens. That would be the equivalent of what you pretend (ie Israel's actions fostering antisemitism in all the rest of the world).

Lieberman says that the actions of the Israeli Arab leaders does the Israeli Arab minority a great disservice. And he gives a good example of that MK who disappeared after being indicted for having contact with a terror group (which is forbidden to all, not only Israeli Arabs).

As usual, Tspam shows his total inability to read as simple text without changing the meaning in a biased fashion, as to lible israel and Israeli government. He also does that for all other countries but in the other direction...

And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.


Kahina

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 11:31

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Thanks for posting this Tsam, a very interesting article.

I don't think you're an anti-Semite. I just think you're reminiscing about the romantic version of Eretz Israel and not accepting the realities of our neighbour's hatred towards us. You're just frustrated that Israeli politicians aren't following your views from here in London (or wherever you are).

You've twisted the title to suit your anti-YB view. The party you've been brainwashed to loathe by the British media, Ha'aretz and the JC.

Well sorry Tsam (and friends),Avigdor, Danny and co are here to stay. Doesn't matter how much the press choose to label them - they are permanent in Israeli politics. Voted in democratically by 30% of , etcIsraeli citizens.

Their popularity is growing in Israel and now many of the Anglo Israeli community is choosing to vote for them too.

Armchair politicians in the UK are just going to have to wring their hands, write poisonous blogs, kick the tv, etc.

Hard luck :)


telegramsam

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:00

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Jonathan, I'm so sorry to see that one of your posts was moderated. That's becoming something of a habit. Perhaps you should calm down dear.


telegramsam

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:02

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Kahina, that's an interesting point and spot on in some respects. However, Yisrael Beiteinu has a problem: it sold out to the ultra-Orthodox on civil marriages and other bugbears for its former Soviet constituency.
Also, after a while these ex-Sovs become Israeli and don't vote for a Russian party (just look at what happened to Sharansky's lot).


jose (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:18

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Yisrael Beiteinu has a problem: it sold out to the ultra-Orthodox on civil marriages and other bugbears for its former Soviet constituency.

Again some misinterpretation by Tspam, coloured by the tainted glasses he uses exclusively when looking at Israel.
Civil marriages are still on the way, thank God, and Israel (though remaining the Jewish State) will get rid of the last trace of mixing of state and religions (Israeli Arabs also can celebrate legal religious marriages in Israel).


jose (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:21

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Unless it is true that you work for the JC and are on the blog to "play devils advocate".

Jon, don't use oxymorons: "tspam" and "work".


telegramsam

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:24

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José, I love your optimism. The day Israel gets rid of the last traces of mixing state and religion is the day the Messiah will come. Shas and United Torah Judaism will outlast Yisrael Beiteinu and be the power brokers.


telegramsam

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:26

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José, kudos, you say you are a computer security person. You must be a very good one for hiding behind a New Zealand proxy.


jose (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:40

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José, kudos, you say you are a computer security person. You must be a very good one for hiding behind a New Zealand proxy.

I guess you did not even understand the conversation. First I need no proxy as I'm not hiding in any way, then the JC does not publish the IP adresses. That's your two first mistakes and/or lies.
Then the proxy your defunct alter ego pretended to have detected is in fact a legitimate end-user address in Netherlands, probably that of an unsuspecting idiot who posted on Ibrahim's stupid anti-JC blog. So there was no New Zealand proxy. What there was is the e-mail address Ibrahim pretends what that of Anthony Posner. And that address was from New Zealand. But as you saw, before he died, Ibrahim understood that I was not Anthony.

So you made about four errors in one sentence. Trying to enter Guiness Book?


jose (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:46

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You have to understand Tspam, that you don't know much about Israeli politics, looking from planet Mars or even further.
And the little you understand, you misinterpret. The religious parties will remain minority parties and it is likely that there will be a vote allowing to exclude smaller parties from the Knesset and simplify the life of Israelis.
Besides, having religious parties is not a problem (and it is not an Israeli specialty, btw, didn't you hear about "Christian Democrats"?)
So once again, you let your hate colour your understanding, only for Israel of course.

And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.

Israel Beitenu will remain because of its strong popular basis and not because some Russians vote for them. Lots vote for Avoda and lots for Likud too, and that is not new.


jose (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 12:56

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And of course, Tspam was not able to understand that Lieberman was not saying at all what Tspam pretended.

But of course, double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 15:38

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Now you see this is a perfect example of how using ridiculous analogies can come back and bite you.Analogies should only be used by those with enough savvy to understand their nature and purpose and to use them intelligently. I never did get the woman and rape analogy anyway and I'm highly educated and cultured, bordering on genius.


mattpryor

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 16:30

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As I understand it Lieberman was saying that the moderate, educated, intelligent Israeli Arab population is being let down by the extremist rhetoric of their elected representatives who are giving them all a bad name and making trouble for everyone. So the OP is once again distorting information in order to alter peoples' perception of reality. I believe that is called brainwashing. A common technique used by the Iranian intelligence service.

I think Lieberman makes a very good point. These MKs need to tone it down and start behaving more reasonably. It's the same scenario as the British public's attitudes towards Muslims being influenced by loud-mouths like Anjem Chowdray etc.

I like Lieberman, although I have no political affiliations with YB. I think he's a plain talker and there are not enough politicians like that. I read much criticism of him based on his Russian ethnicity - which I think is quite racist.

I also read, as a side note, that Muslims living in PA controlled zones are often amazed and impressed by the open nature of some of the Knesset debates, so perhaps the fiery rhetoric may have unforeseen positive consequences.


amber

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 18:34

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simonson, you never got the analogy because you didn't want to.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 19:16

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Amber that was an extremely temperate response I am greatly encouraged


jose (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 20:12

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I never did get the woman and rape analogy anyway and I'm highly educated and cultured, bordering on genius.

That is perfectly evident to all, although slightly contradictory. Well, even totally contradictory, one should say... One with a real brain, I mean.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Thu, 12/02/2010 - 20:27

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One with a real brain, I mean.

" jose " everyTHING is real otherwise it wouldnt be a THING

duh !!!!!


jose (not verified)

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 04:54

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" jose " everyTHING is real otherwise it wouldnt be a THING
duh !!!!!

HAHAHAHA! Is this the samsimonson who pretends to know epistemology?
Your ancestors must have believed that unicorns were "things"!
But their belief in the "thing" did not make it to present days. Reality, for someone like you, is way beyond the observable, where it should be found. Like your ancestors, you project your personal beliefs on the external ("real") world and cannot even start to recognise it.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:12

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samsimonson mistake their beliefs for realities. Just look at the title he used for this blog post:
"Lieberman blames women for rape"

Anyone can check in the article mentioned if Lieberman spoke about "women" or mentioned "rape". That is for the reality part of it.
Now for the factual part, Lieberman blames the Israeli Arab leadership for maiming Israeli Arabs' reputation and leading to anti-Arab sentiment inside Israel. He did not blame say, Iran or Saudi Arabia, for that. This would be analogical to what a Mick Davis or Stanley Walinets or a tspam would say, ie that Israel's actions cause antisemitism abroad, therefore putting the blame on the "woman" for the "rape".

So, not only the title is a reality lie but also a factual lie of false analogy. Propaganda, as usual.

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