Let's mobilise against anti-Israel week - by Gil Troy


By Jonathan Hoffman
February 7, 2010
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Hat-tip: Robin Shepherd:

http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/a-strategy-for-reversing-the-tide-of-...

"We should play off the radical demonisers, making them look extreme and foolish as we demonstrate our informed commitment, our enlightened passion, the rightness and righteousness of our cause"

Well here's one "radical demoniser" in the UK: Ben White. (There's plenty more).

- Wrote "Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner’s guide", a farrago of falsehoods and misquotations.

http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/lies-damn-lies-and-the-apartheid-analogy/

- Said “I do not consider myself an anti-Semite, yet I can also understand why some are”

- Tried to contextualise comments of Ahmadinejad denoting a disbelief in the Holocaust.

- Prime mover in Wednesday's revoking by Cambridge University Israel Society of the invitation to Benny Morris to speak (White now lives in Cambridge).

- Next appearance: Manchester University, 13 February

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moshetzarfati2

7 February, 2010 - 20:18

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Yes, this is exactly what we should do to those who lambast the New Israel Fund and other Progressive Zionist organisations and individuals.


We should play off the radical demonisers, making them look extreme and foolish as we demonstrate our informed commitment, our enlightened passion, the rightness and righteousness of our cause


raymee_jones

8 February, 2010 - 05:09

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JH - have you read the Talmud recently? Is it any wonder that there is anti- Israel sentiment from gentiles (in light of this)?


Yvetta

8 February, 2010 - 12:39

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What the hell are you on about, Raymee - re the Talmud?
Also, I thought every week was "anti-Israel Week"; Ben White does seem to be a real fanatic.


moshetzarfati2

8 February, 2010 - 12:40

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Anyone one-eyed and propagandistic is a fanatic, Yvetta. But you are right about Raymee-Jones


Yvetta

8 February, 2010 - 12:58

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Glad you agree, Moshe. On the subject of Jerusalem, my other half feels as you do. I can see both sides of the argument, so am in that rather uncomfortable position, fence-straddling!
I think Anthony Julius on the JC site a few days ago) summed up the Raymee-type outlook rather well:
It denies to Jews the rights that it upholds for other, comparable peoples. It adheres to the principle of national self-determination, except in the Jews’ case. It affirms international law, except in Israel’s case. It does not understand that supporting the cause of Palestinian nationhood is one thing, while denying the right of Jews to live in their own state is quite another. It is outraged by the Jewish nature of the state of Israel, but is untroubled by, say, the Islamic nature of Iran or of Saudi Arabia. It regards as racist the social inequalities between Jew and Arab in Israel, while being indifferent to the legal inequalities between Muslim and non-Muslim in Iran, Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim states.


moshetzarfati2

8 February, 2010 - 13:02

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Problem is, Yvetta, Israel claims to be a western democracy, Iran and Saudi don't.


Yvetta

8 February, 2010 - 14:31

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Adolf would be SO proud of you, Raymee.
I suppose the Jews are behind 9/11, global warming, and the Haiti earthquake, huh?


moshetzarfati2

8 February, 2010 - 14:33

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Raymee-Jones, that's every antisemitic trope from every antisemitic website going. Well done.


amber

8 February, 2010 - 14:53

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raymee jones, from one non Jew to another, you are a scumbag.


moshetzarfati2

8 February, 2010 - 14:54

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Raymee-Jones, yeah I bet some of your best friends are Jewish… As all your lies appeared in every antisemitic website going, what's to refute? You might as well have quoted from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. You probably believe that, too.


raymee_jones

8 February, 2010 - 15:06

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The thing I don't get is people will call you a name of a mass murderer or a scumbag or mention other books or quotes - but still avoid the point head on - (which is) does the talmud and other religious books contain material that is of this ilk? And if so, then why defend it? (after all I would only be highlighting a stumbling block that you may overlooked in political/ religious relations between Israel and other countries) If it is all fabricated, and you have truly investigated this thoroughly then I would be happy to hear what you have to say on the matter.


moshetzarfati2

8 February, 2010 - 15:16

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No, Raymee-Jones, they do not. But you knew that anyway.


Jonathan Hoffman

8 February, 2010 - 15:33

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@raymee_jones

You are Nazi Vermin

Moderators - Ban It


raymee_jones

8 February, 2010 - 15:50

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There's no smoke without fire...

Noam Chomsky - Jewish I believe?

"Hebrew is a secret language, you only read it if you’re inside the tribe. Like most cultures it’s a tribal culture. I don’t want to exaggerate, but the English translations on the internet are very revealing and very interesting."


moshetzarfati2

8 February, 2010 - 15:54

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Puhleeze. Are you a plant, raymee-Jones?


raymee_jones

8 February, 2010 - 15:56

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JH.

Correct me if I'm wrong the word you use relates to a killing machine - I'm merely challenging philosophical (or religious) writings - that belong to some of your people (these are two very different things).

As for demonizing someone that discusses a difficult subject by calling them a nazi or an 'antisemite' etc - it's totally immature (and definitely not connected to a free thinking democratic country).
The media does alot of demonizing peoples or countries by doing this same thing (instead of looking at and discussing the grey areas).

" tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance"


moshetzarfati2

8 February, 2010 - 16:31

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Perhaps CIF ain't so bad after all, eh Jonathan?


raymee_jones

8 February, 2010 - 16:32

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"see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil"


raymee_jones

8 February, 2010 - 16:38

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JH.

These quotes are from translations of your books - not a political right wing party as you may imagine.

They are on several hundred sites from all religious and political persuasions.
Wouldn't the world be nice and cosy if we could put pithy little titles on everyone and everything - unfortunately it's not that simple (black and white).

" tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance"


moshetzarfati2

8 February, 2010 - 16:40

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RJ. That's a lie. They are not translations at all. They are as false as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The only sites on which they appear are antisemitic and Nazi sites, such as Stormfront, the KKK and Davidduke's. Now eff off.


raymee_jones

8 February, 2010 - 16:47

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mos.

so why are jewish scholars trying to defend the meaning of these passages on other sites - and describe the real meaning (rather than put it all in the nazi bag, as you conveniently do)?


Jonathan Hoffman

8 February, 2010 - 17:18

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Nazi scum