"Lauren Booth’s embrace of Islam veils the truth"

OK so would you have preferred if she had converted to Judaism?

Jonathan,

I think that this is Lauren's best line...

Then she asked God to get out his diary: “If you could spare some time to look at Palestine to ease their pain, that would be great.”

stephenb,

I support a single secular state where everybody can live peacefully together.

wouldn't you also be a fruit loop if you had had Blair as your brother in law?

no i wouldnt be a fruit loop i wuddda done the decent thing years ago

Sam, Stephen and Iris,

Your personal attacks on Jonathan are repetitve and frankly quite dull.

Black Sheep.
Yes, every family has one.
And 1% in a family of 100 is enough to wreck a barmitzvah or wedding isn't?
That's why I find this article in the New Jersey Jewish News so very interesting.
http://njjewishnews.com/article/pmb/anti-islamist-muslim-speaks-out-agai...

The gentleman in question, M. Zuhdi Jasser, is, no doubt, well meaning and holds his hands up to acknowledge he has some job ahead of him - for what he is describing, for those who can't be bothered to click, is the task he has given himself, as president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, of deprogramming a significant enough proportion of Muslims from their core belief to a more sanitized, kaffur friendly renditioning.

So how many black sheep are we talking about here?
Well, he says the following:
“Most studies have shown the violent radical Islamists are 3 to 5 percent,” he said. “The vast majority of Islamists (note: I believe he meant U.S. Muslims) are peaceful people who believe in democracy and want to see elections happen. But 30 to 40 percent of all Muslims probably believe that the best state is one that is run by an emir or a caliph and is based on Islamic law, but they believe it in a nonviolent way. Our mission is to wake them up; but the non-Islamists are losing the battle because nobody is supporting us. The Islamists are being supported by petrodollars.”

Let's take his top figure for radical "Islamists" and see how that looks in real world figures. 5% of 1.5 (US) billion would be .... 75,000,000. A mere 75,000,000 radical black sheep. Equal to the entire UK, Holland and Norway combined.

Up to 40%, he say, seek the reestablishment of the Global Caliphate and Sharia. That would be... 600,000,000. Supported by Petrodollars. Doesn't it take on a different substance when the figures are shown as hard numbers and not a meaningless percentage?

And yet there are some Jewish sheep, close to home, who would conflate the above figures with that clutch of Jews who forsee the borders of Biblical Israel being made a reality.

This seems to be a characteristic of the British Jewish Left; to draw moral equivalencies which simply do not stand up to scrutiny.

Well, he was the one who brought up "truth." Or does that mean only when he crafts it?

I hear only 2% of the US population is Muslim. Guess maybe some facts are in order here instead of more....speculation.

Jono, Don't be lazy! We enjoy laughing at YOUR ignorance, so please stop posting other people's articles and links to other sites and calling it your blog. Most bloggers tend to write their own copy.

If I wanted to read the newspaper in question, I could easily visit their site or pick up that rag in Central London.

Btw, now you know why the Evening Standard is free.

Iris, pay attention, please. HE refers to the Global Ummah.

"Jasser said such a system “would not happen overnight” in the United States, but his organization, the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, based in his hometown of Phoenix, is “the only laboratory I have to fight Sharia globally.”"

I saw it. I'd love to get a look at the constitutional amendment allowing sharia law in the US. They'd have to let the Mormons have all those wives too. Aint gonna happen. Besides, the Hispanics are out-breeding the Muslims and they're predominately Catholic. No, the fate of the US isn't becoming a Muslim nation....

Posner, Jonathan made his own reputation all by himself. Being an apologist will only get you the same.

He is doing this in the US precisely because the protections afforded by the Constitution allow him to do what others in Europe are being prosecuted for. For M. Zuhdi Jasser to make any headway he is going to HAVE to state precisely what would be wrong with the return of the Global Caliphate and the subjugation of all humanity to Sharia law. And as soon as he says that this or that is problematic he could be accused of being anti-Islam.

I, too, have confidence in the United States. This is a hot topic and people are educating themselves and watching what unfolds in Europe, especially in the UK, Netherlands and France. You are already seeing a demographic shift in the UK which is seeing power shift to those who have no time for democracy or secular govt. This is why your Mormons reference is so vacuous, I'm sorry to say. You joked of a time when the Muslim share of power would allow Mormons to engage in Polygamy. I'm afraid those rights do not extend to polytheistic communities because all rights are conditional on 'True Faith'. You can see this yourself at the UNHCR website where the 1990 Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam proudly sits. Signed by 56 nations of the OIC, the largest voting bloc at the U.N., (plus one in waiting, "Palestine") this document replaces the 1948 Universal Declaration simply because 'All Human beings are NOT created free and equal in Dignity and Human Rights' according to Sharia.
Here it is, at the UNHCR website:
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,ARAB,,,3ae6b3822c,0.html

and an excerpt for those who can't be bothered:

Article 1

(a) All human beings form one family whose members are united by submission to God and descent from Adam. All men are equal in terms of basic human dignity and basic obligations and responsibilities, without any discrimination on the grounds of race, colour, language, sex, religious belief, political affiliation, social status or oilier considerations. True faith is the guarantee for enhancing such dignity along the path to human perfection.

No 'true faith'.... no guarantee of your rights.

The demographic of Europe is shifting, and democracy will shift with it.... under the conditions set out in the above declaration. Right there at the UNHCR.

Yeah but in America, The Church of the 72 Virgins means a whole different thing, especially in Nevada, where some women are perpetual virgins (for a price). Ain't freedom of religion wonderful? Maybe I'll make my fortune by finding a nice Chinese prayer rug manufacturer to mass market to the US Muslims. It's the American way. I know of Americans who are buying property next to and around mosques, and installing butcher shops, strip clubs, massage parlors, and bars.

Have you ever wondered why the US doesn't have violent demonstrations like Europe does? It's simple....there're no Jonathan Hoffman, Anthony Posner, and their EDL pals to inflame and incite. Just kidding......kind of.

Watchful Iris : You circled the tents so nimbly in your response I'm afraid that I became lost between the irrelevant references and the irony. :-)

You believe, kind of (:-)), that the inflammation of the Muslim community in the UK is specifically due to those who dare to say 'No Sharia'? Shhh, don't mention the war? As you point to the Constitution of the United States as a bulwark, what say you about a country like...say... the UK, which does not have a constitution. Are you as confident?

I wonder if you would care to comment on the link I posted to the UNHCR website, where you will view a completely non-ironic and humourless document signed by representatives of so many black sheep that no light could possibly escape. A wooly black hole. That document establishes that nation states subscribe to and have enshrined, under the banner of Human Rights, a prescription for your subjugation. Not a few thugs on the streets. Not the odd black sheep.

Lauren Booth now leaves the ranks of dhimmi to become a fully paid up member of the club. She is the ex-prime minister's sister-in-law and he is still very much a player in the whole ME discussion, so it is newsworthy. It is newsworthy that she thinks so little of your right to not be a Muslim and preserve your Human Rights.

Not you too, Adrian!!!!!! Yes, you should have stopped reading at "yeah." The rest is over your head.

"The rest is over your head"
Which I intend to keep on my shoulders.
Good luck with yours, Oh Watchful One.

Then put it back in the sand...

I been thinking and not getting very far......what WOULD be the best way of coping with being related to Tony Blair ?

OK - I'll play Iris. May we start with your poetic reference to Islam (?) - the church of the 72 virgins - and then, I'm guessing, some oblique side step to brothels in Nevada where the illusion of virginity on tap is available to any paying client? And does that, perhaps, include those for whom 72 intact 9 year olds in THIS life may be preferable to finding out if they really are waiting to hop on board on the other side of the great divide once they've blown their own arses off?

I've searched. I don't know what you're referring to.
Help me here, as I have no fear of direct answers which are 1. Fathomable 2. Relevant.

The Chinese prayer rug is just your way of saying that you see no imminent threat to the Land of the Free and that buying shares in your floor covering endevour may be premature? Very smart, Maria. Very smart. You may be advised to start in Dearborn, Michigan. From small acorns, Iris.....

You follow swiftly to the reports that all kinds of wonderful establishments are to be opened around the proposed Ground Zero mosque - which is a far preferable response than marching through the streets carrying stars and stripes and shouting 'Death to Allah'?
Are you saying that good old American crassness is the answer to the inexorable Islamization of the West? Are you saying, who even cares?

The violent demonstrations we see in Europe are testament to the shifting demographic which has emboldened adherents to an ideology which states that it is not there to be equal to any other religion.

Now that message is very pervasive, because it even reached my head. I'm looking forward to finding out where yours resides. :-)
And, hey, what about that Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam (and the black Ovine community, of course.)

Adrian, are you flirting with me?

Robert Spencer writes:

"This general refusal to engage their opposition's arguments is a sign that the Leftists and Islamic supremacists feel keenly their own intellectual vacuity. They know that in light of it they can do nothing but ignore, mock, or try to bully people who speak the truth. Even the Soviet Union under Stalin was confident enough that its own people were sufficiently cowed, and that it had enough useful idiots among the intelligentsia abroad, that it was able to mount high-profile show trials of dissenters and Stalin's political rivals in the 1930s."

The repetitive harassment of Jonathan Hoffman has no intellectual content; the same slurs are being repeated time and time again and they are tedious.

One has to ask whether their aim is just to stop him from blogging; I conclude that it is.