Latest Pallywood: The Abu Rahma Hoax

Are The Guardian and The Independent and the BBC going to publish corrections?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/02/israel-tear-gas-death-palest...

Dr Mohammed Eideh, who treated Abu Rahmeh in Ramallah, said she died of "respiratory failure and then cardiac arrest" caused by inhalation of tear gas. He said he did not know whether she had a pre-existing condition.

This lying doctor should be struck off

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/palestinian-woman-di...

I await the correction from the Independent

http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2011/01/so-it-was-blood-libel.html

http://cifwatch.com/2011/01/03/palestinian-version-of-events-in-bilin-be...

http://muqata.blogspot.com/2011/01/idf-press-conference-on-death-of-abu....

"Among the East Jerusalem Arab population, cancer is
accompanied by a sense of shame and fear of genetic
transmittance. Secrecy prevails as knowledge of the
patient’s sickness among the wider society might harm
family members’ marriage prospects. Keeping the secret
is related to society’s expectation of the individual to
remain calm, suffer quietly, not show signs of weakness
and protect the family’s interests. Concealment makes it
difficult for patients to seek and receive external help, especially through participation in support groups."

Hanan Qasem - Selected Issues in Palliative Care among East Jerusalem Arab Residents
Asian Pacific J Cancer Prev, 11, MECC Supplement, 121-123

Hi Mr Hoffman,
The newspaper you quote is the extremist Arutz Sheva, the settlers newspaper. The other source is the IDF, the alleged murderers. Evidently they say the never dunnit guv, and of course you are convinved by that.
Ha'aretz are playing this story very differently probably because they have guessed the likely final outcome, and don't want to have to eat humble pie. There's a lesson for you there Mr. Hoffman.
This story will return to haunt you.

The death certificate says, "Cause of death “Inhaling gas of an Israeli soldier according to the family.”'

Talk about propaganda!

Whoever heard of a death certificate that was based on hearsay!

Managed to find any evidence about weekly near misses at Ben Gurion or their reporting in Israeli Press as due to foreign airlines, Jezza?

Thought not

The BBC maybe will publish a correction, but never will the Guardian and the (In)dependent. At best, they will write that they never stated that the woman died of breathing tear gas, just reported that this was what the PA doctor said.

What's next? "The dog wrote the article!"

By the way, Peace Now has issued a statement saying that this woman is the first victim of the conflict in 2011.

Do they mean that her cancer was provoked by Israel?

I have written about this here http://www.raymondcook.net/blog/index.php/2011/01/04/new-year-new-lies-a...

One of the salient points is the disappeared original BBC news story and its replacement with a completely biased video report.

Also note the number of deaths by tear gas inhalation other than this one you can find on Google.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/12106318

Disgusting BBC report, although the script makes passing reference to the truth, the video relies only on Palestinian sources.

A good example of the insidious bias of the BBC: a compalint would get nowhere.

HT: raycook

erm leukemia or lung cancer Isn't there a bit of a difference ?

erm leukemia or lung cancer Isn't there a bit of a difference ?

Yes there is, but both are cancers and both treatments involves chemotherapy, which explains very simply the vomitting, while it is an unusual side-effect except in prolonged and intense exposure to tear gas, which was obviously not the case here (the witness reporting that the woman was at least at 500m from the scene).

erm yeah but you would think that folks in the know about what killed her would be able to suss out the difference

anyway i see jonathan has gotten over his mega wobbler on the issue small mercies huh ?

"Do they mean that her cancer was provoked by Israel?"

Contact with the tentacles of the Global Jewish Octopus causes cancer, yes.

The Guardian is virtually a Nazi newspaper now. The Independent has been one for many years, and the BBC is antisemitic to the core.

Hi Mr Hoffman.
It almost pains me to tell you, but there is egg all over your face again. Not according to me, but according to the Israeli press
Israel's most authoratative newspaper, Ha'aretz, has today stated unequivocally that Jawaher choked on Israeli tear gas whilst at the Bil'in demonstration. It is not just on the letters page, it is in the Editorial (the link to the article is broken, but find it on this link. The editorial is on the right hand side

http://www.haaretz.com/

Ha'aretz also points out that the demonstrations are valid, and the demonstrators are in the right. Israel is defying it's own supreme court and is involved in a land theft at Bil'in.
I did warn you that this would happen. Never mind, you get off light, it just makes you look a gullible fool. For the family of the dead woman however, it is a tragedy inflicted by the state of Israel that they will have to live with forever.
Over to you for a foam-flecked diatribe about how Haaretz is a commie rag

Your link and your explanation is facile Jezza.

The death certificate says on it "according to the family" (according to a senior Israeli security source). Since when do death certicficates have hearsay Jezza?

There are NO recorded instances of someone dying from teargas inhalation in the open air. Anywhere. Ever. The IDF uses the same teargas as every other western country. The teargas is purchased abroad and its composition is not changed once it gets to Israel.

There is no emergency room report.

Ordinarily, the Palestinians share all of their information and reports on civilian deaths with the IDF; this time they refused to share that information.

Jawaher Abu Rachma's brother Rachman is the leader of the demonstrations at Bil'in, but there is no documentation that he was near her during the demonstration. If there had been such documentation, it would have been prominently displayed at the funeral.

Therefore, the IDF believes that Jawaher Abu Rahma may not have been at the demonstration on Friday at Bil'in to begin with.

We know she was being treated for cancer.

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2011/01/senior-security-source-raises-q...

Waterdrop just makes baseless accusations, like all ISM terrorist-supporters.
Like for the Al Durah hoax, there is no serious source about this death.
So, until Waterdrop finds something that might be the beginning of the smidgeon of a proof, we have to believe there is nothing more in this case than the usual propaganda used by rabbid antisemites.

My explanation is facile? where have I offered an explanation? Take it up with Ha'aretz.
They say "She choked on teargas". This is clearly intended as an authoritative Editorial rebuttal of the IDF nonsense. If you are medically qualified to dispute Haaretz's point, lets hear it from you.
Regarding your assertion about tear gas deaths, as always, in your haste to justify Israeli crimes you failed to check the facts. You are wrong, there are loads of deaths linked to tear gas when breathed in open air, here is just one, involving 10 deaths http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Zim-cops-deny-tear-gas-deaths-20040923. There are plenty more
Your point about the victim's brother is irrelevant. There were 1000 demonstrators, there are many witness that the victim was there. The evidence satisfies Ha'aretz, why not you? Dont forget, this is only the latest of 21 deathe at the Bil'in demo.
I would remind you that according to Ha'aretz the whole situation is caused by Israel's illegal land theft.

You'll have to do better than that Jezza.

Healthy people do not die of tear gas.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/bt/bt_fact_tear.shtml

"The deadly effects of tear gas would only occur following exposure to a dosage several hundred times greater than the amount of tear gas typically used by law enforcement officials for crowd control."

The article you cite specifically says:

- that there were no officially reported deaths;

- that Amnesty International said many of the dead were already suffering from "pre-existing illnesses" including tuberculosis.

Rahma was being treated for cancer. What on earth was she doing at a demo? If she died from the gas, she is to blame.

Try a bit harder, Jezzaboy

People who vomit and lose consciousness sometimes breathe what their stomach rejected (btw, that's why you are not supposed to be given general anesthesia after a meal).
Of course the stomach rejections are very acid and attack the lungs. Death can occur in a few minutes or hour aftewards.

I think it better to leave JH in his own magical world where Israel can do no wrong. Who else posts a blog and then immediately starts to write comments below the line themselves. This guy is in cloud cuckoo land.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but just seen this on Ynet

Assessments made by IDF officials Monday determining that Jawaher Abu Rahma not only did not choke to death by tear gas but did not even attend the Bilin anti-fence protest prompted the outrage of activists who participated in the rally and saw the woman with their own eyes. On Tuesday, criticism was also leveled by IDF officers claiming that army elements were quick to make assumptions before all the facts had been checked.

"In these types of events, matters should be examined in a thorough and level-handed manner instead of rushing to conclusions based on mere thoughts," an IDF officer said. He noted that unlike the manner in which the army conducts operational inquiries, the probe in this case was based on Palestinian documents which do not yield concrete conclusions but hypotheses at best.

And

Other IDF officers also found it hard to believe that Abu Rahma did not actually attend Friday's protest but noted that it was indeed possible that the victim's death was caused by a medical condition from which she suffered.
"In any case, it's best to wait until the Palestinians provide all the material and check it together with information from other sources and then form an accurate assessment which is not based on emotions and sensations."

Thankfully, some Israeli officers display Western morality rather than have a political agenda that makes them run and plant stories in an all-too-gullible media like NaNa/Chanel 10.

This guy is in cloud cuckoo land.

Marijuana do you no good, zair. I suggest you stop these bad trips by quicking the habit.

erm yeah but you would think that folks in the know about what killed her would be able to suss out the difference

Erm noh, if they just found out that she had chemotherapy, they would not know what kind of cancer she had, but they would know it would be a cancer anyway. A simple look at her pharmacy would give many clues, but not necessarily her exact pathology.
Or if they got the information that she was treated in the oncology department of the hospital without any more detail...
Etc.

Please learn to think before writing, that would help you a lot not looking so stupid.

Poor Milligramsam! He did not yet realise that the presence or not of this woman to the riot has no importance at all?
Witnesses saw her 500m away from the riot, but even that doesn't prove she wasn't there before or after. Who cares anyway?
No one was ever reported to die from such a cause in real-life conditions. That is enough to doubt the 'medical report'. If it is true that she had a cancer and was treated for it, then why reject this hypothesis and accept the 'Palestinian' narrative gullibly?
Remember that 'Palestinians' can send the weak to their death if they can benefit from it?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-family-sends-m...

Hello Mr. Hoffman

I would just like to say that substantial evidence including numerous (totally credible and impartial) eyewitness accounts is that the IDF did in fact cause the death of this activist at a completely peaceful protest by excessive use of tear gas. Israeli journalists I know personally were present and one was herself gassed. You might find the posting below quite informative. A number of statements by the IDF and others speculating about alleged medical issues and other matters do not seem to be backed up by any evidence at all.

My mind is open, as I believe everyone's should be, as to what happened in this case and I believe, as you do, that it is important to look at the factual evidence carefully before concluding anything. I have not seen any evidence (other than the IDF-sourced statements themselves) in support of some of the IDF claims - please could you point us to anything you have in the way of this?

http://972mag.com/physicians-family-challenge-armys-narrative-re-death-o...

Best Regards
Aaron Dover

aarondover's comment above;
All he is reporting is the Abu Rahmah family and the Popular Coordinating Committee of Bil’in version of events; hardly credible evidence,
I fear aarondover has bendover'd to the left too far.
Regardless of the outcome in this case, those who particpate in violent, illegal demonstrations, and if they aattack soldiers they must be prepared to accept the consequences.
Why does aarondover not compalin about the IDF soldier who had a rock thrown in his face?
Why does aarondover not complain about the numerous Palestinians there with slngshots, showering the IDF soldiers with rocks?
I also know personally Israeli journalists who were present who concur with the IDF version of events.

aarondover:

I would just like to say that substantial evidence including numerous (totally credible and impartial) eyewitness accounts is that the IDF did in fact cause the death of this activist at a completely peaceful protest by excessive use of tear gas.

They also said it was a completely peaceful protest while every impartial observer would call that a riot in any civilised country.

My mind is open

So much that your brains fell out. The ridiculous website you linked is the worse, partial, and totally unreliable rag that I've seen in a decade. Set up by an "independent journalist", writing for Haaretz. Says it all!

Jon, there are Israeli officers who were at Bil'in who dispute the story that was planted on Channel 10/NaNa. Some people are quick to rush to conclusions on the basis of that planted story.

aarondover:

I have not seen any evidence (other than the IDF-sourced statements themselves) in support of some of the IDF claims - please could you point us to anything you have in the way of this?

By the way, it is time to remind the 'Palestinian' fairy tale supporters that they have to prove that the IDF 'killed' that woman.
As a matter of fact, it is those who accuse who have to bring the proof of their claim. The IDF does not have to bring the proof of its innocence.

What is the proof that someone has ever been killed by inhaling tear gas in a open area? Remember that is the unsupported claim of the 'Palestinian' fairy tale.

"My mind is open, as I believe everyone's should be, as to what happened in this case"

And yet you call stone-throwing 'peaceful'?
Moron.

Milligramsam:

Jon, there are Israeli officers who were at Bil'in who dispute the story that was planted

Israeli officers took a picture that day with the now dead woman participating to the riot? Where are these credible proofs of these credible, but unnamed, witnesses?

And what do you know about a story that was "planted"? Did you "plant" it yourself?

We really has to be reminded that Milligramsam is supposed to be a journalist by profession. Considering the little he seems to know about what is reliable evidence or not, one can be frightened that the opinions of people might be influenced by such person.

By the way, "aarondover" suddenly registers on 5th Jan 2011 on the JC blogs, just to do the same as Milligramsam and Waterdrop.

Credible and reliable witnesses totally discredited the planted story that they were different persons.

Fact is she's dead. However she died it's a tragedy.

Picking over her corpse in this manner is disrespectful and does none of us any credit.

Let the woman rest in peace.

Let the woman rest in peace.

While the terrorist supporters throw stones and continue to libel Israel, there won't be any peace. The dead, however they died, are just a tool to libel Israel.
Haaretz even got the proof that some 'Palestinians' are able to do the same with the living ones:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-family-sends-m...

Very aggressive responses on this blog. Lots of personal abuse which is odd considering my very impartial comments above. I guess that just reflects the insecurity of the knee-jerk defenders of anything involving the IDF. People who are intelligent, mature and secure in their viewpoint do not need to resort to playground insults. Grow up please Jose, Jon and Yoni! Oh and Jose - not hard to figure out why I just registered - I wanted to post my comment which requires registration. My name is Aaron Dover hence I chose the name aarondover.

Hear, Hear, Matt.

Very aggressive responses on this blog. Lots of personal abuse which is odd considering my very impartial comments above

You are the sole judge of your own 'impartiality', it seems.
Well, someone who knee-jerk in front of 'Palestinian' propaganda telling that a riot is a "peaceful protest" cannot come here and give lessons.

Your name is aaron dover and mine is jose schwarzenneger, hence jose.

By the way, do you believe that story reported by Haaretz (that soooo credible source and paragon of Israeli journalism):
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-family-sends-m...

If one family is able to do that, why should another be unable to do something comparatively less horrible, as use a natural death to libel Israel?

Jose: It's not as big a deal as we're making it. If the haters want to keep banging on about it, let them. It shows that to them the dead are just another turd to post through Israel's letter box. It's disgusting, and it speaks volumes about them and their so-called cause.

On the subject of using corpses for political goals, I hear the Palestinians are now planning on exhuming and re-burying their dead in Area C zones to stop Israelis from building there. I wonder if Jez, Zair and Armchair Quarterback support this initiative?

Jose

It's not "Palestinian propaganda" just because it is critical of the IDF. Lisa Goldman, the author, is a Jewish Israeli based in Tel Aviv. She was an eye witness at the protest and was gassed herself despite it being an entirely peaceful protest. Do you have any actual evidence to present to any readers of this discussion? Rational people like me are always happy to be convinced by evidence. :)

By the way, aarondover is a member of JfJfP. I guess he just forgot to mention.
That settles the case of his "impartiality", I guess.

It's not "Palestinian propaganda" just because it is critical of the IDF.

No, you can't read, can you? It is propaganda because calling a riot (stone-throwing and all) is not a "peaceful demonstration". Got it this time?

Rational people like me are always happy to be convinced by evidence.

"rational", "impartial"... What other delusions about yourself do you have ? "Intelligent", maybe?

Lisa Goldman, the author, is a Jewish Israeli based in Tel Aviv.

In what way the jewishness of an author is a proof of its impartiality?
She is a witness as I was a witness: she did not see the person who died at the riot. Indeed, maybe she was herself participating to the riot.
No one pretends there was no tear gas, idiot. Just that tear gas never killed anyone in an open area.
Have you got any proof of that blood libel case?

Way out of your league in terms of intelligence and also charm Jose but don't let it get you down I'm sure you have other things going for you.

Way out of your league in terms of intelligence and also charm Jose but don't let it get you down I'm sure you have other things going for you.

Indeed that shows how deluded you are about your intelligence.
Now we are also seeing that your politeness varnish is very thin.

http://jfjfp.com/?page_id=9

What's this link? "Jews For Justice For Palestinians" (Terrorists)

Who's name appears under "D" - Dover - Aaron Dover.

Oh dear, there goes your credibility "aarondover".