Kaufman cites Mick Davis in support of keeping the Universal Jurisdiction anomaly

Yes, indeed, Jonathan!
It illustrates how foolish and arrogant Chutzpahdik Mick has been!

Well if Kaufman is quoting Mick Davis, it proves our argument - Davis has provided ammunition to Israel's enemies. Who will quote him next, Khalid Mashal?

The Parliamentary transcripts of Kaufman's utterances are littered with the most extreme vihlification of Israel that you will ever see.
Parliamenary "privelage" allows a biggot like Kaufman to spout whatever vile nonsense he likes with impunity.
This is just one example of many:-
"the case of Tzipi Livni, the war criminal daughter of a terrorist father, who was scared off coming to this country because of the danger of an arrest warrant being issued for her. She was jointly responsible for the slaughter in Gaza in Operation Cast Lead".
This is a sad reflection of our so-called "democracy" where having the initials MP after ones name and speaking on The House of Commons premises allows one to get away with worst slander and libel.
Does Mick Davis now realise what he has done? will he have the guts to resign with a public apology to be printed on the front page of the JC?

Jon did anyone challenge Kaufman's views?

He is an absolute disgrace. Here's a reminder of his speech during the war with Hamas in which he accuses Israel of acting like "Nazis":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

Matt,
Matthew Offord MP and Robert Halfon MP both tried to haul him up on points of order or to correct his lies, but with little impact as Kaufman always manages to retort with another stream of vile invective.
Putting aside the fact that Kaufman was born Jewish, he is an odious little man who hides behind "Parliamentary Privelage".
Matt, I note your "you tube" link above. What Kaufman and others like him fail to realise is that under the Nazis he would have been carted off with the rest of us.

Robert Halfon is an absolute legend. He wrote a fantastic letter to the Speccie last week in response to Jo Johnson's woeful piece on Gaza.

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for giving way, but I must say that his hatred for Israel knows no bounds. He explains exactly why universal jurisdiction needs to be changed-it is being used as a political football by people such as him who have hidden agendas.

Quite right Robert!

Does this change in UJ mean that the President of Sudan, Robert Mugabe or Zlatan Mladic, among others, would be able to visit the UK without fear of prosecution?

Nope. But you already know that.

Stop pretending to be more stupid than you are.

I see Matt is another one off my Christmas card list for indulging in ad homs. But since you don't ask, no I didn't know. So how are they going to differentiate between the two sets? Justice is blind, after all. And this time, try being polite.

Don't bother answering Matt, Joe Millis is just trying to be provocative for the sake of it.

Since when was asking questions "provocative"? That's a hugely unJewish way of doing things. Have you not heard of the rabbi who asked his son every day when he returned from school: "Have you asked any questions today"?
More questions need to be asked, not fewer. Always question the answer rather than answering the question.

Stop pretending to be more stupid than you are.

Matt, Joe's answer is the proof that you overestimate him.

For Joe only: UJ has nothing to do whatsoever with Al Bashir's case. This is not a case of a Sudanese-hater asking to arrest the Sudanese president for imaginary crimes. There is an ICC arrest warrant in his name. In other words he should be arrested as soon as he puts one foot out of his country into a UN country. He has to be arrested, UJ or not UJ. In France, Al Bashir would be arrested although this country does not have any UJ, much less a stupid UJ.

Unfortunately, Egypt and Qatar did not judge that Al Bashir was worth arresting.
Again, Muslim countries don't respect their word.

So if someone got an arrest warrant for an Israeli, what would you do?

Millis is a time waster

I see Matt is another one off my Christmas card list for indulging in ad homs.

Hardly. If anything I was complementing you. We all know that you are more informed about this than you pretend to be.

Allow me to show you what an ad hominem is:

Why on earth would anyone want to go up against a sick and pathetic individual like yourself. I'm surprised with that fevered "mind" of yours that you haven't run of to your stuermer-like website to commune with your antisemitic friends Hagee and Robertson.
You have no "facts" to "tear apart", only hatred, bile and misplaced sense of being superior. You's look good in a black shirt with a death's head badge.

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/if-i-was-a-methodist-i-would-refer-you-new...

Jonathan, it's to be expected that the odious Theobald Kaufman should want to impress his electorate in his usual nasty fashion. I imagine that such a one would sell his grandmother on EBay if it got him more support from Gorton, Manchester Muslims.

Joe Millis, everything has a context (as indeed have your posts here and elsewhere) and it is human nature to judge new behaviours in terms of what we already know about a person. Given what is known about Kaufman from his own statements in the House and elsewhere, any questions asked by him or about him, or indeed by you Joe Millis, can be expected to have some nasty hidden agenda.

Now, as for allowing Mugabe into the UK, well yes, that is a disadvantage, but this and previous governments, no doubt with the blessing of dhimmis like Kaufman, regularly turn a blind eye to allowing in Islamist whack jobs to crank up student and others' hatreds, and even offer them safe haven here.

You conveniently forget this, as you have the antics of one Mockbul Ali, who almost succeeded in getting admission into the UK of the execrable Yusuf al-Qaradawi, whom he designated a "moderate"! Such was the ignorance/blindness/tacit support for Islamism/craven dhimmitude of the government of the time that they believed him and the outing of Ali as a liar was by the press rather, than someone fronting up him in the government, Thankfully the resulting public outcry shamed the government into refusing Qaradwawi permission to come here and Mockbul Ali got an OBE for lying instead....

There are probably dozens of Mockbul Ali types in the civil service, and no doubt Kaufman sucks up to all of them, too.

Why should Islamists, who deplore our democratic process and make no secret of the fact, be given a free pass to use it against us when it suits them? Or don't you realise that this is what they are doing?

That's right millis - you can question yourself on the way to the next genocide.

millis, there is wisdom in knowing which question to ask.

Don't forget Kaufman thought the taxpayer should pay for Persian rugs and a 2,000 quid TV.

A real socialist.

What a lowlife.

Mitnaged, I've posted elsewhere? Well, yes, I've posted on CiF, defending Israel.
Hidden agenda? I don't think so.

Amber, and who is to decide which question is to be asked?

Who is Jonathan Hoffman?

Matt, that was an ad hom, but in context, it seem to come at the end of a long period of restraint by the person you quote.

Please, don't try to make believe you understand what an ad hominem is.

The point of the change to UJ is surely understandable by anyone of Joe's clear intellectual and journalistic credentials.

But in case for once he has missed it, it is this:

Whereas previously arrest warrants could be sought by anyone seeking to bring private prosecutions for international crimes in the UK and all it needed was for some judge with a grudge to issue it, now, this will be properly referred to the Attonery General so that malicious creeps obsessed with imaginary Israeli war crimes cannot use the British judicial system to pursue their Jew-hatred.

As has already been pointed out, where someone has already been fond guilty by an international court, then UJ is irrelevant. If ever an Israeli were sentenced in absentia by an international court then they could be arrested in the UK without recourse to a private prosecution.

This changes UJ from a bigot's charter into something more acceptable.

How many other countries' leaders would be subject to UJ before the change? None. Only Israelis. Says it all. No Sri Lankans, Americans, Russians - only israelis.

Do I need to spell it out?

How many other countries' leaders would be subject to UJ before the change? None. Only Israelis. Says it all. No Sri Lankans, Americans, Russians - only israelis.
Do I need to spell it out?

Yes, Ray, do it for Joe.

Ray, this is NOT solely about Israel. Donald Rumsfeld for example would like to come to the UK but will not come for fear of arrest.

This necessary change in the law must not be portrayed as 'for Israelis'.

It is for everyone and 'for Justice'.

Jonathan, I think Ray meant that only Israeli leaders were ever attacked exploiting the law's weaknesses, while many other countries could have been attacked with the same excuse and certainly for better reasons than for Israel.

Could that point to the double standards of those who do that?

well millis, not you - all your "questions" are strangely dressed up as criticisms.

Joe Millis
12:58
Who is Jonathan Hoffman?

Joe, don't be a berk. You know you know.

Uh oh. Did I see someone ask who Jonathan Hoffman is again? THIS is Jonathan Hoffman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBH6XONDpes&feature=player_embedded

Thank you for posting that, Iris. It demonstrates yet again how dedicated and courageous JH is and how pathetic, shrill, hysterical and desperate his detractors are.

I still don't know who this geezer is, except he appears to be very rude to those with whom he disagrees.

Joe I don't know how much time you have got....but I will help as best I can.

Actually I give up

Jonathan is beyond description , and I suspect, help

sorry I couldn't be more helpful

oh I nearly forgot, he is the joint chairman of the Zionist Federation

I know I know that just scrambles your mind even more doesn't it ?

oh and he has a penchant for having unwinnable arguments with wheel chairs

yes yes I know that just scrambles your head even more doesn't it

just ignore me

You're welcome, Yvetta. He's a charmer!

Joe, he may be a rude geezer but he's OUR rude geezer.

Now, Myopic, "three to tango" doesn't work. Don't try to include Joe in your duo !

Amber

Kaufman tried to claim £8865 for his TV, not £2000.

Plus £1800 for a rug...

Plus for months he submitted a claim of £245 every month for "odd jobs". The maximum an MP could claim without receipts for odd jobs was £250 per month.

And his constituents did not bat an eyelid!

http://tinyurl.com/qat5hp

Thanks Jonathan - even worse than I thought.

What a scumbag he is.

For 2007-2008 Gerald Kaufman claimed expenses of:- £125,649

£8865 for a TV?? That must be one big TV!! Maybe he needs it as he's so short sighted.

Short on brains and morality, you mean. Very long on hate and sliminess.

Short on brains and morality, you mean. Very long on hate and sliminess.