Jody McIntyre: Not An Ingenue!

Jonathan, I would wager that few of these charmers are what they appear to be. "Protesting" aint what it used to be in my day - nowadays it's mostly yelling and vandalism by louts and their fellow travellers and I feel very sorry for the police.

It doesn't surprise me that the wheelchair status of McIntyre would be made use of in protests. He must be used to bleating "But I'm disabled!" and causing trouble instead of getting out of harm's way when what he's involved in gets out of hand. Wheelchair-bound or not he seems very aggressive. He probably tried on a policeman what he did to you and got one hell of a shock when said policeman drew the line.

Types like McIntyre bring disability into disrepute if they use it as an excuse to try to get away with causing mayhem.

Agree 100% Mitnaged

Oh my dear god jonathan do you truly have no conception how off the scale ridiculous you are ?

He ran over your foot with his wheelchair causing you agonising pain. I doubt The State of Israel or western liberal democracy is going to survive THAT

Do give my regards to Yoni ifyou ever run into him/her/gender indeterminate again

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/05/christian-aid-israel...

One of my readers drew this to my attention. Turns out McIntyre is a vicious anti-Israel ideologue.

OK QuarterBrain, let's see you willingly subject to a heavy wheelchair rolled over your foot. I'll tell McIntyre you are up for it.

jonathan I have been rolled over by the Green Bay Packers wheelchairs are just pppfff

poor baby

jonathan " one of your readers " you have readers ? You mean like Enid Blyton ?

armchair, try saying something worth reading

Make that NoBrain

That's not nice, Zair. You don't have to descend to their level.

That's not nice, Zair. You don't have to descend to their level.

As far as the antisemite zair is concerned he does not have to descend to reach anyone's level. He has to take a rocket!

That's not nice, Zair. You don't have to descend to their level.

Yours is dangerously close to his'.

QuarterBrain, Millis and zair deserve each other

Fair enough I take it back ;)

But I have to agree with armchair, JH has stooped to new lows.

Zair, agreeing with comprehension-impaired Armchair is not a good sign for anyone mental health.

Note the way Millis sides with the antisemite zair.

But I was defending you, Jonathan. Why the abuse?

Amber, I wasn't. Have a good day.

Now that it is evident that Davis irresponsible words are being used by Israel-bashers, it is clear that he must resign from his position.

@amby, 2 posts both consisting of a single sentence, come now amby you can do better, surely?

@jose 'he does not have to descend to reach anyone's level. He has to take a rocket!'

ROFL.....not, jose don't quit yr day job, oops sorry this is your day job.

Are you seriously citing Richard Littlejohn as a credible source?

ROFL.....not, jose don't quit yr day job, oops sorry this is your day job.

Well no, zair, once again you're wrong. Btw, we know your day and probably night job: hatemongering.

http://cifwatch.com/2010/12/15/jody-mcintyre-professional-anti-israel-ac...

More on McIntyre from CIFWatch....

More on Jody McIntyre:

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/11107#comments

Couldn't have put it better myself.

zair, I'm sure you couldn't - the article is a paranoid rant saying precisely zero.

McIntyre wrote a disgusting antisemitic article for Christian Aid, drawing comparisons between Jews and Nazis. This is antisemitic by the EUMC's own definition. But thenm as a rabid Jew hater yourself, you are happy to indulge in such hate fuelled lies and fantasies.

This sad individual deserves condemnation writing such racist agenda driven crap.

Ahh yes, there's that troublesome 'working definition' of anti semitism again, that trump card played at every opportunity by the apologists for Israeli brutality.

I like the CST's reference to this 'working definition'
'It is part of an ongoing process and has no legal basis. The Working Definition should be regarded as a helpful set of guidelines, rather than a strict legal definition of antisemitism.'

BTW the EUMC is a defunct organisation superseded by the FRA.

Crawl back under your stone, reptile

The EUMC Definition is widely accepted by governments both in Europe and beyond. The US State Depaertment accepts it. So would the UK government except its definition of racism (the Macpherson definition) is wider still. The National Union of Students in the UK accept it.

Antisemites like you of course do not accept it as it is inconvenient.

'At one of the demonstrations McIntyre deliberately directed his wheelchair to run over my foot, causing me agonising pain.'

Oh puhleeeease, you're having a laugh aren't you?

Naturally anti-Semites hate being called anti-Semites. I've lost count of the number of times I've read "you can't criticise Israel without being accused of anti-Semitism", which translates to "waah waah I can't spread poison about Jews without being called an anti-Semite!"

Well, duh.

Remember though - zair and newsmax - that anti-Semitism is hatred for mankind.

Other notable 'anti semites'? (because they criticise the occupation and the brutality inflicted upon the Palestinians)

B'tslem, Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions, Gush Shalom, Breaking The Silence, Amnesty International, Christian Aid, Oxfam, Save the Children, Human Rights Watch, UNHCR, Medical Aid for Palestinians . . . . . . etcetera, etcetera.

Sandra Osborne MP (Anti Semite) wrote recently about her visit to The West Bank:

'Army officers led child detainees into the military courtroom, their legs shackled, their hands cuffed, kitted out in brown jumpsuits. Did the soldiers feel threatened by 13 and 14 year old boys?

At the end of four days of touring the occupied West Bank, we had arrived at the military court of Ofer in the West Bank to witness just how the Israeli military courts treated Palestinian children.

We waited in what were basic concrete court rooms, looking at the uniformed judge and prosecutors. Two parallel processes happened. The judge, the prosecuting team and the defence lawyer discuss the case in Hebrew, with an interpreter translating into Arabic. There are no witnesses called. No testimony was challenged. The judge never once looked at the children, nor spoke to them. Some meet their lawyers for the first time in the court room. Each child's case would last barely a few minutes.

For the children we saw that morning, the only thing that mattered was to see their families, perhaps for the first time in months. They showed no faith in the proceedings neither caring what the judge was saying nor expecting to be released. One child shouted out to his parents the name of the prison inside Israel where he was being held. Nearly all were there on stone throwing offences. One was being tried on the basis of a signed confession of another minor that had later been withdrawn.

Every year an average of 700 Palestinian children are prosecuted in Israeli military courts. Of these 81 per cent confess during interrogation, with 32 per cent signing confessions in Hebrew, which they do not understand. Their lawyers advise them to plead guilty as then they might be released after three months. If they plead innocent then the likelihood is that they will be detained for around a year. For a child of that age this is unthinkable. In 2006, acquittals were granted in just 0.26 per cent of child cases showing there is a presumption of guilt not innocence.

These children largely get picked by Israeli soldiers from their homes in the middle of the night and are bundled into military vehicles, blindfolded and cuffed. Their families are not told where they are taken. In the vehicles they are usually harassed by armed soldiers. Their interrogations are not videotaped; no lawyer or family member is present. There are consistent reports of abuse, intimidation and actual torture.

Unsurprisingly the mere threat of force is enough to get most children to sign anything.

A whole generation is criminalised through this process. They never lose these criminal records and as a result suffer even more restrictions than other Palestinians in the occupied territories.

Israel treats Palestinians as adults as soon as they are 16 while for an Israeli child in a nearby settlement it is 18. An Israeli child has to see a judge in 24 hours, a Palestinian in 8 days. An Israeli has to be charged within 30 days, a Palestinian in 180. Of course it is only the Palestinian child that lands up in a military court.

Most disturbingly of all, it is the Palestinian child that grows up under occupation, denied basic freedoms from the day they are born.

Couldn't they just stop their pocket money for a couple of weeks?

Or.....maybe they could be given 1,000 lines "Thou shall not throw stones at armed to the teeth Israeli soldiers in armoured vehicles?"

Suzanna: An institution cannot be anti-Semitic, only people can be anti-Semitic. It is not an opinion, it is a state of mind.

As far as I know Sandra Osborne is not an anti-Semite. There is nothing in that report that would suggest she is. It would be against decent human behaviour not to sympathise with those children wouldn't it?

However, not all children in the West Bank throw stones at border guards, or civilian vehicles for that matter. Most lead normal lives and stay out of trouble. And it's not just stones but also lumps of concrete dropped from bridges, petrol bombs, etc. Why do these children do this? Hatred. Is that because Israeli soldiers mistreat them, or because they are taught to hate from an early age?

Should Israel do nothing to deter such behaviour? How should they deal with it? "End the occupation" is not an answer, because we need the Palestinian leadership's cooperation for that, and they are not currently forthcoming.

Do you not think this is the sort of thing that a lot of Israelis would like to see change? The question is how to change it while protecting Israelis, which requires serious thought and debate. The current climate of discussion about Israel is not conducive to that, and a great deal of criticism towards Israel IS anti-Semitic in nature.

And also don't forget the other side to this -
the hundreds of children a year that get life-saving medical treatment in Israel. It's not all bad Suzanna.

Should Israel do nothing to deter such behaviour? How should they deal with it?

Matt see above Iris has got it all figured

Anyway we need an update on the state of jonathans foot we dont want this to degenerate into another war of jenkins ear

Suzanna

You bemoan the fact that teenage boys get arrested. But you conveniently ignore the fact that they are picked by Hamas and Fatah for fighting. They run summer camps in weapons training, especially aimed for children - to kill Jews. they indoctrinate children at school about the glories of "martyrdom" (attained by killing Jews), and in children's programming on TV. Jews are presented as evil, and violence against them is glorified and actively encouraged. Children were present in combat zones, armed with AK-47's.

Now it seems a trifle selective of you to wail that they can end up being arrested, when palestinian society does everything it can to encourage children to fight and kill. That is the true crime. And it is disingenuous to pretend it isn't happening.

zair, there is no Israeli brutality, unless by that you mean Jews refuse to lay down and die, inorder to please you.

Antisemitic scum.

zair, comparisons between Jews and Nazis are morally and intellectually dishonest. This is because those to propose such comparisons aim to delegitimize Israel entirely, and demonise Jews. It is perverse and offensive.

I have flagged your comment as offensive. To support such a position shows you to be a racist degenerate.

Amber, which charm school did you go to? I want to send my kids there.

Surely the best way to encourage the Palestinian children to stop throwing stones is to stop the occupation, And the illegal settlements. And administrative detention.

The following is worth repeating:

Every year an average of 700 Palestinian children are prosecuted in Israeli military courts.

In 2006, acquittals were granted in just 0.26 per cent of child cases showing there is a presumption of guilt not innocence.

Israel treats Palestinians as adults as soon as they are 16 while for an Israeli child in a nearby settlement it is 18.

An Israeli child has to see a judge in 24 hours, a Palestinian in 8 days. An Israeli has to be charged within 30 days, a Palestinian in 180.

Of course it is only the Palestinian child that lands up in a military court.

That sounds suspiciously like an apartheid system.

oh THAT charm school

Suzanna

Gaza is not under occupation, and neither is much of Judea and Samaria. In any case, such hatred predates the "occupation". And are you saying that the onus for stopping antisemitic violence, as espoused by Hamas and Ftah, lies with the Jews? The victim should make the racists stop attacking them. What screwy logic is that?

Suzanna, do you condemn Hamas' antisemitism?

Go to Gaza if you want to find apartheid - on racial, religious and gender grounds.

That's Hamas.

armchair, say something worth reading

Try having a thought

This of course is the apartheid nature of the occupation in action. Jews in the territories are under the jurisdiction of civil law and Arabs are under the jurisdiction of military law

Suzanna

You do everything except look at the causes of children being indoctrinated. NOTHING excuses both Hamas' and Fatah's use of children in their terrorist activities.

And you should say so.

armchair, that's because there is a war. PERHAPS YOU HADN'T NOTICED.

gee wizz thanks Amber.....Anyway about jonathans foot....