Jerusalem becoming Tehran


By telegramsam
November 20, 2010
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According to this Jerusalem Post report, Israel's capital is becoming twinned with Tehran, at least in spirit

Gender separation in public areas is growing

By Rebecca Anna Stoil, Jerusalem Post, November 9 2010

Movement for Progressive Judaism warns against growing phenomenon; issues its fourth report on gender separation during Knesset meeting.

Gender separation in public areas is a growing and dangerous phenomenon in Israel, the Movement for Progressive Judaism warned Tuesday, as they issued its fourth report on gender separation during a Knesset meeting.

Only opposition MKs from Kadima and Meretz attended the meeting, which was hosted by the Knesset Caucus for Civil Equality and Pluralism, founded during the current Knesset by MKs Shlomo Molla (Kadima) and Nitzan Horowitz (Meretz).

"Segregation is a disease that is spreading in Israel, the significance of which is the degradation of women and coercion in the grossest possible manner,” said Horowitz at the opening of the meeting.

Former education minister Shulamit Aloni added that she thought that the “evil impulses of the haredim took control of them, and they panicked,” creating increasing restrictions on the presence of women and girls in the public sphere.

She emphasized that in the first government, four religious parties signed on to the basic guidelines of government, which ensured that “complete equality will be ensured for citizens…there will be full and complete equality for women, in political, economic and social life.” Any violation of these guidelines, Aloni said, was illegal.

“Egged and the health care providers have no right to collaborate with the religious extremists in harming women,” Aloni added. “I would try them all and deny business licenses for any public or private organization that is not located in the heart of haredi society.”

“We came here today because it is important to raise public awareness,” said Noa Sattath, interim associate director of the Israel Religious Action Center.

Sattath said that although there is legislation guaranteeing equality for both genders, “it is possible that with time, we will need to look for additional legislation on these issues, especially regarding public transportation.”

Sattath noted that the center's objection centered on companies and services that receive government funding.

“Most of the Orthodox and secular public doesn't even understand the widespread nature of the phenomenon,” she added.

The report that was published reflected 10 years of information-gathering by the Center for Progressive Judaism, with its writers arguing that the phenomenon of women being physically separated from men in public areas has been steadily growing.

The research demonstrated, said Sattath, that the goal was not simply separation, but a gradual removal of women from the public space.

Sattath offered as example the fact that researchers had repeatedly examined what happened when a man tried to sit in the women's section of public, segregated buses, and discovered that men can sit in the women's areas with impunity while women cannot do the opposite.

Complaints detailed in the report included one by Rivka Lubitz, who complained that women had been separated from men by order of the cemetery director at a funeral she attended.

Zehava Fischer complained of separation at a publiclyfunded community center, and Chana Pasternak described the well-documented phenomenon of women forced to sit in the back of public buses.

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Avraham Reiss

20 November, 2010 - 21:35

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Filthy anti-Semite.

"Gender separation in public areas is a growing and dangerous phenomenon in Israel, the Movement for Progressive Judaism"

- that movement has even less members than "the telegramsam Adoration Society". Its publication just proves the extreme anti-religious left's stranglehold on Israeli communications.


Avraham Reiss

20 November, 2010 - 21:38

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That one goes straight into JCWatch's open-ended compendium of anti-Israelisms.


telegramsam

20 November, 2010 - 21:42

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Yeha, do I get barred like the JC staff, the UJIA, the BoD, the ZF's new leadrership etc etc etc ad nauseum?


Avraham Reiss

20 November, 2010 - 21:46

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No, but you'll be on record as a disgusting anti-Semite, who hides behind a false name because he hasn't got the xxxxx to stand behind his words.

Coward.


telegramsam

20 November, 2010 - 21:52

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Ho-hum, Avraham. Has Ayatollah Ovadia not whispered sweet nothings in your ear yet? Is that why you are so upset? Still, I'm sure there will be something in tonight's drashah from the Yazdim synagogue. Or maybe next week. Or the week after. Meanwhile, go and practice a Pulsa De'Noura dance (to the tune of Hava Nagillah):
Pulsa De'Noura
Pulsa De'Noura
Pulsa De'Noura Ve'nehargechah


telegramsam

20 November, 2010 - 21:54

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Anyway, Avraham, way past your bedtime and I don't want to keep you up. And I'm off for a nice pint or several to celebrate the Spurs win over the *rs*n*l.


jose (not verified)

20 November, 2010 - 22:31

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Funny discourse of the two duettists !


Yoni1

21 November, 2010 - 12:09

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Spammo and Avraham are as shrilly demented and as repulsively full of hate as each other. The first with his antisemitic propaganda and lies, the second with his religious mania and lies.

The ultra-orthodox cowardly parasites, getting generous donations from the tax-payer but ducking military service, are as bad as the Jew-haters who compare Jerusalem to Tehran.


jose (not verified)

21 November, 2010 - 12:45

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Yoni, couldn't agree more !


Akiva

21 November, 2010 - 14:16

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Yoni, I couldn't agree less.

Your lashon hara against the haredim is both misplaced and verging on anti-semitic stereotyping. In my view this makes you just as bad as Telegramsam, if not worse. At least he's (somewhat) honest.


jose (not verified)

21 November, 2010 - 14:24

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Akiva, you did not see the lashon hara of both yourself and your religious fanatic half-wit friend. At least, those who are not religious are not compelled to abide by religious laws. You are.


Yoni1

21 November, 2010 - 15:06

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Akiva, calling my factually correct statements 'antisemitic' makes you a thick idiot.


Akiva

21 November, 2010 - 15:47

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Factually correct?

I know many haredim who both are employed and serve. Some day soon, bizrat Hashem, I'll be one of them.

Why don't you ever rant about the seculars? Not only is secular draft dodging on the rise, only 30% of secular soldiers serve on the front lines. 80% of Religious soldiers however choose to serve on the front lines.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to argue with you, your tired and boring anti-Torah rants are part of a lefty secular Jewish culture will be dead within a generation. Good riddance.


Akiva

21 November, 2010 - 15:55

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Ok Yoni, let's play a game, it's called "Tell us how your constant vilification and targeting of Religious Jews is different from how people have vilified and targeted the Jewish people for the Torah for 2000 years" (aka Anti-semitism)

Frankly I find both you and your bed-fellow Jose disgusting. If you are Jews you should be ashamed. We have enough people who attack us, who insult us, who want to kill us.

But go ahead and tell us why we should believe you really aren't the virulent little anti-semite you come across as.


jose (not verified)

21 November, 2010 - 16:49

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Akiva, the Haredim are disgusting profiteers who live upon the hard work of others. How can that factual statement be antisemite since it has been shown that Haredi students are paid for not doing anything, in Israel? Is Israel antisemite?
Please, you should be ashamed to support these people who came after the others sacrificed their lives, not able to build the country they live upon.
Any Haredi Nobel Prize winner, lately? Where are the developments of Haredi science? Haredi business, we have some examples, but they are not of the best kind.


jose (not verified)

21 November, 2010 - 17:54

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Yoni, Haredim brand "antisemite" all those who do not belong to their particular brand of Judaism.
So are the so-called "Neturei Karta": they call all the Zionists "antisemites" and commend Ahmadinejad for his great tolerance.


telegramsam

21 November, 2010 - 17:55

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What Israel really needs is an Orthodox Rosa Parks to stand up to these Ayatollahs


Akiva

21 November, 2010 - 18:07

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Yoni - Your post has been flagged for bad language.

Jose - Your stereotyping is disgusting, yet as stated above, no different from the stereotyping, insults and death threats the Jewish people have received for thousands of years.
You claim studying Torah is doing nothing. I and countless others claim studying Torah is doing EVERYTHING.

So we have a difference of opinion, what matters here is the disgusting lie the haredim don't work. Note, some of the male haredim don't work but a MAJORITY of female haredim DO work. Statistics show this being close to 70%.

More and More haredim join the IDF each year. The Nahal Haredi is one of the most distinguished brigades in the IDF and is often given the most dangerous missions. Again, as I said, 80% of religious soldiers serve on the front lines.

You people argue facts with stereotypes and foul language, hurling insult after insult towards people you don't even know. This is anti-semitic. This is lashon hara. This is why you will find your posts swiftly moderated on the JEWISH Chronicle.


telegramsam

21 November, 2010 - 18:10

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Akiva, the nachal charedi, in all its years of existence, has had fewer than 2,000 soldiers. At present there are 40,000+ yeshivah students who do not serve and do not work and are therefore a burden on the already over taxed middle class Israeli tax payer.


Akiva

21 November, 2010 - 18:13

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Too long, didn't read summary of the posts in this blog:

"GRRRRR I HATE ALL HAREDIM GRRRRR I HATE TORAH GRRRRR I WANT TO LIVE LIKE THE GOYIM GRRRRR"

Readers may be glad to know, this secular/lefty ignorance will be dead within a generation or two.


Akiva

21 November, 2010 - 18:20

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Telegramsam, you obviously missed the part where I said "more and more are enlisting". As an environment is created to serve in the IDF, more take the opportunity to do so.

Also Sammy boy, you seem to have forgotten a good amount of those 40,000+ don't actually take money from the State to begin with. All groups affiliated with the Eida for example, are completely solicited by foreign funds.

But in the end the argument goes much deeper, you are taking out your anti-Torah/Hashem/Judaism/Semitic views on a group of people you know nothing about. You generalise, you stereotype, you mock, you insult. It's disgusting, vile and should not be allowed on this website.


Jon_i_Cohen

21 November, 2010 - 18:25

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Akiva
look at my blog "Expose"
telegramsam/sham/spam is (likely)a JC employee who's job it is to stir up these bloggs by playing "devils advocate", so please don't take anything he/she posts seriously, it is not worth wasting your time.


Yoni1

21 November, 2010 - 18:55

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"Again, as I said, 80% of religious soldiers serve on the front lines."

Not all religious soldiers are haredim, you dimbo.


telegramsam

21 November, 2010 - 19:27

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Err...Jon, as you pointed out later in Expose, and to dismay of your mates, you were merely guessing that I worked for the JC. I don't. But Carry on Guessing.


Avraham Reiss

21 November, 2010 - 19:56

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This yoni thing seems to be very well named. I think the name originates in the Kama Sutra. That's about the level of her standard here, and it certainly characterises the contnets of her posts.

But the buckets of hatred she displays must surely originate elsewhere - probably in crass ignorance.


Avraham Reiss

21 November, 2010 - 20:00

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tsam says: " At present there are 40,000+ yeshivah students who do not serve and do not work and are therefore a burden on the already over taxed middle class Israeli tax payer."

A burden on who? You don't live here or pay taxes here, so its really none of your business.

And since you never had the guts to serve in the IDF, your comments are all pure hypocrisy.


telegramsam

21 November, 2010 - 20:02

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Who'd want to serve in an army which protects the likes of you?


telegramsam

21 November, 2010 - 20:07

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Is it any wonder that more and more nice, middle class, secular Israelis -- the backbone of the IDF (there are just not enough nationalist religious to fill the numbers) --are seeking a way out of serving?


Yoni1

21 November, 2010 - 20:12

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"Who'd want to serve in an army which protects the likes of you?"

Yes, I can see how this waste of space would see this debate simply as an excuse for ducking military service. What a pathetic hypocrite.
The IDF is not only for protecting parasites. It protects everyone.
Probably beyond your intellectual grasp to understand this.


Yoni1

21 November, 2010 - 20:14

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"This yoni thing seems to be very well named. I think the name originates in the Kama Sutra. That's about the level of her standard here, and it certainly characterises the contnets of her posts.
But the buckets of hatred she displays must surely originate elsewhere - probably in crass ignorance."

Spewed by an ignorant fool who doesn't even know that it's a fairly common male Israeli name.


Avraham Reiss

21 November, 2010 - 20:16

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Say what you like to cover up your cowardice. You'd make a good Iranian - if you aren't one already.

I'd have paid good money to see you trembling where I was with the IDF, somewhere in Lebanon, 40km north of the border with Israel. You would have wet yourself every 10 minutes.


Avraham Reiss

21 November, 2010 - 20:18

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See, now this yoni thing is trying to hitch-hike on common Israeli names - it doesn't alter her name or status.


Yoni1

21 November, 2010 - 20:18

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"Haredim brand "antisemite" all those who do not belong to their particular brand of Judaism."

Yes, I know. And then they whine that they are being abused when people respond in kind to that abusive label.
The arrogance of haredim who claim sole ownership of Judaism is breathtaking.


Yoni1

21 November, 2010 - 20:20

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What a sad waste of space you are, Avraham. That's my real name, I was born in Israel, and I served for nearly 4 years in the IDF. So just piss off, little boy.


telegramsam

21 November, 2010 - 20:34

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Avraham was 40km from the border with Israel and found himself with the Israeli Army when they rounded him up and put him in al-khiam.


Avraham Reiss

21 November, 2010 - 20:37

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this yoni girl served twice as long as what other girls serve in the IDF. Took that long to absorb the basics.


Akiva

21 November, 2010 - 21:03

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It's sad the likes of Yoni have so much hate for Am Yisrael. We are all brothers and sisters and should at least respect one another, not throw around insults based on factually incorrect stereotypes and generalisations.

Seriously guys, enough people hate us. The religious Jews who cling to Torah have been subject to the worst kind of pogroms for millenia. Eretz Yisrael is the land for the Jewish people of ALL types. That includes those who dedicate their lives to the service of Hashem and in doing so, bring a blessing/parnassa for all the Klal. Indeed many go on to be Rabbis etc and fulfil a required role in the community.

None the less there will be many, such as myself, more than willing to serve, work and do our part for Eretz Yisrael and Am Yisrael. The constant attacks on haredim, Torah and the JEWISH way of life are counter-productive insomuch as they do not help those of us trying to paint a prettier picture of Eretz Yisrael.


amber

21 November, 2010 - 22:34

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I agree with Akiva. I think it is a luxury Jews can ill afford to tear strips from each other. There are people out there who would do you harm - and they won't make such distinctions.


jose (not verified)

22 November, 2010 - 03:38

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On the other hand, Jews could do better without the Haredis who give Jews a bad name, steal public money, can't work on anything productive for the Israeli society, and ultimately side with Ahmadinejad in negationism and anti-Zionism.


Avraham Reiss

22 November, 2010 - 22:02

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jose, you are a disgusting apology for a typical irreligious Jew, who the less he knows the more he spurts bubbles and slime. There is NO Jewish content whatsoever to any of the garbage you post here.

Your hatred for other Jews says everything about you.
Israel does NOT need the support of moral bankrupts such as yourself.


telegramsam

22 November, 2010 - 22:04

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Reiss, if hating other Jews were an Olympic sport, you'd take Gold, Silver and Bronze.


telegramsam

22 November, 2010 - 22:08

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By the way, potz-Zionists, this is our song. Your miserable, hopeless lot have nothing better.


Avraham Reiss

22 November, 2010 - 22:26

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your song? Yisrael is composed of two words: Shir El - a song to G-d. And there is no finer song that Israel.

And I live here - while you haven't got what it takes to live here, poor apology for a half-Jew. You wouldn't last 10 days in the IDF - even with sister yoni holding your hand.


Yoni1

23 November, 2010 - 19:35

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"It's sad the likes of Yoni have so much hate for Am Yisrael"

Have you considered engaging what laughinly passes for your brain before posting such drivel?
I don't 'hate Am Israel'. I am a proud Jew. I respect religious Jews who serve in the IDF, even though I think that believing in sky fairies is dumb. They want to believe in them? Fine. As long as they don't try to force me to believe in that nonsense myself.
So, the ones I hate are: (a) parasites who duck military service; (b) thugs who try to force their medieval religion on me.
I don't have a problem with the others.

If you really want to see pathological, demented hatred, try reading 5%'s posts.

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