It's called Isra-bluff


By iainlrabbak
November 26, 2009
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In Israel, the alleged freeze in settlement building would be termed "Isra-bluff" (a phrase invented by that great Israeli trio, Hagashash Hachiver, to denote official lying).
There is no real freeze. Building will continue in those parts of the West Bank Israel deems to be Jerusalem -- Givat Shlomo, Atarot, Givat and Pisgat Zeev etc -- but were never part of Jerusalem. There is also the question of 3,000 odd buildings being built in the occupied territories and there is no freeze on the construction of public buildings, such as synagogues and schools. Expect a massive increase in the number of building permits for such buildings which will suddenly metamorphose into houses and flats in 10 months' time.
No wonder no one apart from the usual suspects is taking this Israeli declaration seriously.

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JINewsNet

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 14:49

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From this and the tone of your previous posts you would obviously like Israel to negotiate all of its territory away to nothing and have The State Of Hamastine exist in it's place.
If you are Jewish and have any semblance of a conscience look, read and learn about the reality of the situation on the ground:-

http://www.jinewsnet.com/latest-news/2009/11/26/israel-keeps-giving-no-p...


iainlrabbak

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 15:15

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Israel has given precisely nothing. The territories that have been returned are not "its territory", they are Occupied Territory. And if Israel wants to exist as a Jewish democracy, then it has to hand the Occupied Territories over to the Palestinians, because already now, between the Sea and the River ((that is, all the territories controlled by Israel), there is a non-Jewish majority. Not tomorrow, not in 10 years' time, not in 50 years' time. But now. And if you have any semblance of a memory -- and conscience -- you will do well to recall what happened to South Africa where a white minority ruled over a non-white majority (and yes, I know that Israeli Arabs have the right to vote, but the majority of non-Jews under Israeli control do not).


JINewsNet

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 17:14

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Wrong!
Latest demographic statistics show Israel has a population of 7.28 milliion of which 75.5% are Jews, that is 5,496,000 Jews.
Granted that leaves 24.5% who are not Jewish ie 1,783,600, but this is made up of Arabs, Druze, Christians and other no-denominationals eg Greek Orthodox. So, I am afraid that you are way off the mark with your assertions that there is a non-Jewish majority - unless of course you are one of the Galloway/Ridley cabal who claim some erroneous figure like 10 million Arabs in Judea and Samaria.
South Africa-not a good example, look what happened, the Blacks took control and many of the Whites were forced out - no chance of co-existence, is that what you want in your fantasy State of Hamastine?
Occupied schmoccupied have a look a this:- http://emetnews.org/analysis/the_myth_of_occupied_territories.php


iainlrabbak

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 17:49

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Please note I wrote between the Sea and the River which is the area that Israel controls. Yes, there are 5.5 million Jews in that area, but there are also 1.8 million non-Jews in Israel proper, 3.5 million non-Jews on the West Bank and East Jerusalem and a further 1.5 million non-Jews in Gaza (still in effect controlled by Israel), making a total of 5.5 million Jews and 6.8 million non-Jews. A non-Jewish majority.
And South Africa is a perfectly good example, because the middle class Jews who can afford it will leave once Israel collapses because of the demand for a single, binational state. Is that what you want?
And the leaders of Pesha can put up as many bogus claims to the territories as they want, but it doesn't change the situation: the territories are occupied by Israel, and holding on to them will ring Israel's death knell.


JINewsNet

Thu, 11/26/2009 - 22:14

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iainlrabbak

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 10:43

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You can bring up as many moetzet pesha websites as you weant, but it doesn't distract from the facts that the territories are occupied and that Israel now controls a non-Jewish majority. Anyway you want to cut it, the settlements are Israel's death certificate as a Jewish democracy and the harbinger of the one-state, binational solution.


iainlrabbak

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 12:22

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JINews Net and others will do well to look at this posting by The Magnes Zionist

So Bibi has announced a unilateral 10 month "settlement freeze," except in East Jerusalem. Perhaps the proper Palestinian response will be to restart the Kassams? Or the suicide bombing? I can already hear the Israeli hasbara-niks saying, "We announced a settlement freeze, and all we got was terrorism." Good PR for Israel from the master of Israeli PR.
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Israel invades, Israel retreats, Israel declares itself a state. All unilateral steps. The important thing is never to acknowledge that there is another side, never take them seriously,never treat them as equals. What the goyyim say is not important; only what Jews do is important. Keep juggling and talking peace in order to keep the world (in this case, Obama) off your back. It's all about hasbara, the medium is the message. Attorney General Mazuz has already said that there is no way to enforce even the partial freeze. "Israbluff" is what they call stuff like that in Israel. Count how many illegal outposts there are today. And come back in ten months and then count.

Only Rabin thought otherwise. And he was shot by a frummie.


JINewsNet

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 13:28

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1)-the Palestinians don't want real peace- we all know that
2)-Barak offered them 98% of the West Bank back, and they refused.
3)-If there is any sort of deal there will undoubtedly be some sort of land swap.
4)-Israel cannot possibly afford to withdraw from this area and be faced with a Wesbankistan between it and Jordan-this would be suicide.
5) This area of land was won in a defensive war against Jordan-if it is handed back to anyone-it should go back to them


Jon_i_Cohen

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 13:51

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JINewsNet sum it up very well. Keep up the good work.
Just to add how disappointed I am with the persistance of the left wingers on the JC web site advocating the destruction of the Jewish State. People have short memories or conveniently forget history.
Before 1967 nobody talked about "occupied territories".
Before 1967 nobody talked about "settlements",
By launching war after war on the Jewish State, imho, the Arabs have lost any right to any "territories" for a State in that region.
The West Bank (istan), will end up Federated with Jordan and Gaza (stan) will end up Federated with Egypt.
The reality of the situation on the ground will never allow for another Arab State between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, and by the way what State would you want? One in the West Bank (istan) for Fatah? AND one in Gaza (Stan) for Hamas - perhaps you'd like TWO Palestinian States?


iainlrabbak

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 14:08

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JINEWsNET, 1) the Israelis haven't exactly demonstrated a desire for negotiating in good faith with the Palestinians.
2) Barak offered Bantustans, criss-crossed with settler-only roads.
3) Land swap? Hand over Bnei Brak.
4) It's suicidal to want to hold on to the West Bank which means Israel having a non-Jewish majority (echoes of Boer-led South Africa).
5) OK, hand it over to Jordan then.


iainlrabbak

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 14:11

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Jon-i-Cohen, I'm a Tory voter (sometimes Ukip, too), so I am hardly left wing. The only ones here advocating the destruction of the Jewish state are those who persist in believing that hanging on to the West Bank is good for Israel.


JINewsNet

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 14:48

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Ok- finally we agree on something-Point 5 -hand it back to Jordan.

By the way-we took offence to you equating JINewsNet with Press TV. Have you actually watched it?


JINewsNet

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 15:10

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iainlrabbak

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 15:20

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Yes, I have watched Press TV in all of its dubious propagandistic glory and yes, I stand by the equation with the dubious propagandistic glory of JINewsNet


gordon bennett

Fri, 11/27/2009 - 20:28

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Iain, you are absolutely right. Press TV and JINewsNet are cut from the same propagandistic cloth. And you are right to be concerned for Israel's welfare if it continues to hold on to the territories.


DLeigh-Ellis

Sat, 11/28/2009 - 22:18

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It chills me to the bone to see JiNewsNet declaring wholeheartedly, 'the Palestinians don't want peace' and then reaffirming, 'we all know that.'

The fact that you claim to 'know' it as a fact indicates precisely why many people are loath to trust such points of view as yours.

On both sides, people want peace.. maybe it serves the ideals of the Palestinian leadership to maintain a never-ending conflict but the people themself are like any people. They do want peace!

Also JInews, your arguments are not helped by your childish use of the 'istan' suffix. It isn't clever, funny or at all interesting... It merely confirms your xenophobia.

briefly @ jon I cohen -- Criticism of Israel does not automatically equate to calling for its destruction. Criticism is the first rung on the ladder of potential improvement.

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