Israel's siege mentality.

If it has a siege mentality it's because it is under siege for 60+ years.

Yes, Chris Patten is a good man. Palestine has become ab all party cause now

eisner, care to answer my post on the other blog? You asked for answers, I've given them.

eisner, do you condemn Hamas' treatment of women?

abbot, your post is surreal. You do nothing but attack Israel, then moan about a siege mentality.

You couldn't make it up!

raycook: it was until after the 73 war. gradually since then, it has become the siege make. ask the palestinians or the lebanese whether they think they have israel under siege? and jordan & egypt? israel has peace treaties with those states. did you read the article ray? surely you can agree with much of it.

amber: but did you read the article? and can you answer my questions on another thread please? which of my 4 posited futures do you see for israel? or posit your own. lets have it!!!!

I've answered you on the other blog abbot.

Ray said it all, really.

Amber you ask if I condemn Hamas's treatment of women.
No I don't because Israeli soldiers treat Palestinian women
a hell of a lot worse. They murder them on a regular basis. 1500 people killed in Gaza by your lovely Israel last year. I spent the afternoon today with
a Palestinian 27 yeAr old girl whose brother was put in prison at the age of 16
without any charges.he was held ithere for 4 yeaes before being
released. This is every day reality for PalestiniAns.
Plese do not tell me this is lies again because if you were
to know any Palestinians,whom you øbviously
never have you would soonchangeyour mind.AND please
do not quote the bloody bible at me again

Proof that eisner is on another planet - when did I quote the Bible to you? Facts aren't your strong point, are they?

Your refusal to condemn Hamas' treatment of women simply means you are a misogynist as well as an anti-semite. You just dig yourself deeper. And even if your lies are true, which they are not - Israel does not "murder" anyone, being a liberal democracy unlike the Islamofascists of Hamas, does that mean you let Hamas off the hook? Where is the logic in that?

Well, there isn't any - but then as you are motivated by hatred and lies and self loathing, then logic went out the window a long time for you. Indeed, you cut a rather tragic figure eisner - one wonders what trauma in your life led you to hate your own heritage, your own self-identity, from which you try to escape yet cling on to by blogging on this site. An analyst would have a field day with you! I think it is revealing that you have a problem with women, revealed not just here but in your last post, where you spoke about women getting drunk and wearing short skirts - as if this were the worst possible thing you could imagine.

eisner, you threw a whole load of accusations at Israel on the other blog (ibrows' paranoid claim that he was being censored) - I rebutted them - and you have not replied. This is obviously your tactic - scream a few hysterical accusations at the Jews, then, when someone patiently rebuts each one in turn, you ignore it and scream some new ones. Maybe this passes as intellectually rigorous debate in your mind, but to me, and I think others, it seems like the hysterical and irrational scribblings of someone who is neither interested in debate, nor the truth. Just propaganda and lies, motivated by a deep seated hatred.

You are a very sad man.

amber - people in glass houses?

abbot, if you have a point, spit it out.

amber. 'This is obviously your tactic - scream a few hysterical accusations at the Jews, then, when someone patiently rebuts each one in turn, you ignore it and scream some new ones. Maybe this passes as intellectually rigorous debate in your mind, but to me, and I think others, it seems like the hysterical and irrational scribblings of someone who is neither interested in debate, nor the truth. Just propaganda and lies, motivated by a deep seated hatred'.

take out 'at the jews' and thats pretty much all i've had from you for the last week.

do you support the 2 state solution, or the status quo amber?

abbot, read my answer to you on the other blog. It's not a question of what I would support, but what the Arab and wider Islamic worlds would accept.

abbot, why do you side with an antisemite misogynist like eisner?

Amber,
Have you also noticed that Eisner has never blogged about Madmaniniran's treatment of gays? As a cultivated PC Islamist, does he actually condone their execution and torture?

I think that he has been too busy deriding English working class women. Such snobbery knows no decency.

Chris Patten's article is is worth reading, since his views are probably, par for the course, in the UK foreign office.

He writes: "What we should require from Hamas is simple – a ceasefire, acceptance of the outcome of a peace process provided it is endorsed in a Palestinian referendum, and help in securing the release of Corporal Shalit."

If Patten thinks that is "simple", he must be much more stupid than anybody had previously thought.

But this is the piece de resistance:
"The EU could work with Turkey and the Arab League to draft proposals for an agreement to be tabled in the UN security council. This may not be immediately acceptable to the US but would at least bring some momentum."

Will Patten be on the next IHH boat to Gaza? Let's hope so.

Exactly, nothing more to add.

tomeisner2: Amber you ask if I condemn Hamas's treatment of women.
No I don't because Israeli soldiers treat Palestinian women
a hell of a lot worse

This one is probably the worst defence I have ever seen in a while: justify a real wrong because some other do another totally unrelated (and alleged) wrong.
I doubt Israel's treatment of 'palestinian' men and women is fundamentally different and it does not really have any relationship with how Hamas treats women.