Israeli racism in practice


By telegramsam
December 1, 2010
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The Zionist Federation, NIF and the Avraham Fund have a lot of work to do in the UK Task Force.

86% of the Jewish public (76% of the total population) thinks that critical decisions for the state should be made by the Jewish majority.
53% of the Jewish public also believe that the State is entitled to encourage the emigration of Arabs.

It's all here

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zair (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 12:48

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telegramsam you have single handedly tackled all that has been thrown at you, you should be given a medal. If you're ever in London, I'll buy you a drink ;)Well done;)


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:02

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tspam, there were Arab. I recognize Arabic when I hear it - and Jewish Arab dress is NOT the same as Islamic dress.

So, you can't name one country in the Middle East which is more tolerant than Israel. But you would never write a post about them.

As Matt has pointed out, only the most deranged Israel hater could come to your conclusions as a result of a single poll.

You, sir, are a Jew hater.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:04

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Well done tspam, you've got the admiration of the antisemite zair, the one who ran away on another blog because he couldn't handle logic.

You really are a disgusting piece of filth.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:08

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tspam, context is not whataboutery. Looking at any peice of information without context is intellectually dishonest. But then, as you are driven by antisemitism, you don't need context or intellectual rigour.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:09

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tspam, what do you think of zair? Would you like to see some of his choice quotes?


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:10

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TSPAM-JEWISH RACIST


zair (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:25

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@amby 'the one who ran away on another blog'

You mean this one?
http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/bds-update-reality

As you can see, I didn't run, I just went home for the weekend ;)

PS. Did you nominate me for entry into JCWatch? Well it worked, I got a mention, so thank you, I won't bore you with my acceptance speech.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:30

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telegramsam you have single handedly tackled all that has been thrown at you, you should be given a medal

Well, in fact (a word whose meaning totally evades you), he did not answer just one bit of it.
And as he just planted statistics in his usual asinine way, what else.

Remember that you both have to state when was the last time you criticised any other country than Israel?
You won't duck that request for long, I hope?


jose (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:33

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In fact, British are much more racist than Israelis: during WW II, they hated Germans. They even wanted to kill them.
Not 86% of the British, 99% of them.

Isn't that a proof of 'racism'? ROTFL!


zair (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:34

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@jose 'Remember that you both have to state when was the last time you criticised any other country than Israel?'

Don't have to state anything of the sort jose, I am here talking about 'Israeli racism in practice' , get it? If you wish to start another post go ahead, but please remain on topic.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:41

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zair, that's what haters always do. They say "you're changing the subject", but then they only talk of one subject. That isn't honest, and it is a way of ensuring no wider context can enter the debate.

In other words, any other pertinent information doesn't need to be addressed.

AND NEITHER TSPAM, NOR YOU, HAS ADDRESSED ANY OF IT.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:42

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Tspam, they were Arabs on the beach - so withdraw your slur.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:45

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zair, name one other country you boycott, why you boycoot its, and name the campaign you are part of in implementing and promoting the boycott.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 13:45

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That should read why you boycott it.


zair (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:01

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amby, we are talking HERE about Israel please remain on topic.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:06

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Exactly - proved my point.

You are a context free zone - because it would mean demonstrating that Israel is the most tolerant and least racist of all Middle east countries.

As for "on" topic, you haven't said anything, except cheerlead tspam.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:10

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Don't have to state anything of the sort jose,

Oh yes, you have to: otherwise we MUST suppose you are a racist. And racists don't give lessons to others about non-racism.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:13

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Go on, asnwer the question zair.


mattpryor

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 14:45

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Telegramsam and Zair can't even defend their own bigotry.

Pathetic.


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:12

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Matt, many thanks for your patience. I have made it clear that if a poll suggests that a majority of Israelis do not want Arabs as neighbours or want the government to expel or force them to emigrate. If a similar poll in Britain or elsewhere had suggested the same thing about Jews, I would have called it racism or antisemtism. What would you have called it?


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:14

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Amber, thanks for your clarification. Are you in a position to differentiate between Arabic and the Hebrew spoken by Jews of North African or Yemeni descent, which has an Arabic lilt?
Also, I will only compare apples with apples and pears with pears.


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:15

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Jonathan, I have no idea why your excellent, thought-provoking posts were moderated. Perhaps they erred on the side of intemperence.


mattpryor

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:32

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I am not going to answer the same idiotic question twice. Please see my perfectly adequate explanation above.

Again you deliberately misquote what the poll says. The exact wording of the one part of the opinion poll which you have chosen to highlight is:

53% of the Jewish public also believe that the State is entitled to encourage the emigration of Arabs.

Based on this you assert:

"a majority of Israelis do not want Arabs as neighbours"

Which is conjecture. You also assert:

"[a majority of Israelis] want the government to expel or force them to emigrate"

Which is, again, a lie. You are selectively replacing words with your own emotionally charged ones. This is dishonest and it is propaganda.

Let's look at some of the things you conveniently forgot to mention:

"51% of the general public approves of equality of rights between Jews and Arabs."

Now how does this tie in with your claim that "the majority of Israelis do not want Arabs as neighbours"?

Or do they want them to leave AND want them to have equal rights? Which is it?

Or, let's look at this bit:

"46% of the Jewish public admitted to being most bothered by the possibility of having Arabs as neighbors. This was followed equally by people with mental illness being treated in the community and foreign workers (39% each). 25% would be bothered by same-sex couples, 23% by ultra-Orthodox Jews, 17% by Ethiopian immigrants, 10% by non-Sabbath observers, and 8% by immigrants from the Former Soviet Union.

The Arab public is less tolerant than Jews of neighbors who are “Other.” 70% thought the least desirable neighbors would be same-sex couples and 67% were opposed to having ultra-Orthodox Jews as neighbors, followed closely by 65% who would be opposed to former settlers. 48% answered that the most “tolerable” neighbors would be foreign workers."

So the people you claim Jews are racist towards are in fact more racist towards Jews, by your standards. But not to worry, that's just "whataboutery" right?

So from this I presume:

- You didn't read that part

OR

- You read it but chose to ignore it

OR

- You read it, chose to ignore it, and deliberately chose not to mention it in your post

Which was it?


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:47

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Matt, again I thank you for your swift and comprehensive response. Some people think their responsa are perfectly adequate, others disagree. I am in the latter camp. As for the encourage/force equation, you and I will have to differ on whether, in the bottom line, there is any difference between the two. After all, if all the encouragement doesn't work, what is left is force.
The poll shows what the poll shows: a majority of Israelis don't want Arabs as neighbours and a minority are narrow minded not to want the mentally ill, gays, foreign workers, the Orthodox, Ethiopians and former Soviets as neighbours. A majority wants the government to encourage/force Arabs to leave. The poll says nothing about wanting the govt to encourage the departure of the mentally ill, gays, foreign workers, the Orthodox, Ethiopians and former Soviets.


yankeeuxb (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 15:49

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Mattpryor: However your analogy fails on several levels, the most glaring difference being that the British Jewish community leadership has not been calling for the deaths of British people for the last 60 years, indoctrinating their children to despise us, blowing up our school buses, strapping explosive to themselves and detonating rat-poison laced rusty nails in discos. Furthermore Jewish nations have not launched successive wars against us in order to annihilate us.

Then again, if a group of Scandinavians decided that parts of England belonged to them - as they once did -and just came and took it, obliterating villages as they went and expelling all the inhabitants and putting those that remain behind walls, turrets and barbed wire (i.e. prison camps; Quote courtesy of David Cameron) I'm sure the local, sturdy Brits would do the same as the Palestinians. Resist occupation.


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:15

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Sam, that was not nice. I saw Jonathan's performance at Ahava on Saturday and I don't see how anyone could ever accuse him of intemperence.


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:16

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Maybe the excessive cold kept him cool?


mattpryor

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 16:23

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So telegramsam, you are going to completely ignore the fact that according to this tiny poll there are more Arabs who don't want Jews as neighbours than there are Jews that don't want Arabs as neighbours? You don't think that is significant or worth mentioning?

And you are going to continue to assert that it is Israelis who are "racist" based on this?

Do you seriously expect people reading this thread to think you are rational or sane? I mean other than your fellow SOVAK agents?


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 17:08

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Matt, an interesting and thought-provoking response. Am I to understand from your post that you do not view Israeli non-Jews as Israelis.

And you are going to continue to assert that it is Israelis who are "racist" based on this?

As for other people reading this thread, I am sure you will agree that neither you nor I can determine what they think.
What's SOVAK, by the way?


Robert Snodgrass

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 17:15

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Dear Sam.

I saw your post(s) and had about 100 responses lined up. But then i just said to myself "why even bother?"

Your just your regular left wing, ignorant Israel hater who has no substance to his argument. Your just so passionate about your hatred for Israel that you allow rationality to go out of the window.

I could argue with you till i'm blue in the face but it wouldn't get me anywhere so i'd prefer not to waste my times. People on this website have no respect for you, and it isn't for your views, its for the way you speak to people.

Finally, a message for Zair. You bring nothing constructive to this website, and if your trying to portray the view of your people, your doing a shoddy job.

Regards


jose (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:05

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Then again, if a group of Scandinavians decided that parts of England belonged to them - as they once did -and just came and took it, obliterating villages as they went and expelling all the inhabitants and putting those that remain behind walls, turrets and barbed wire (i.e. prison camps; Quote courtesy of David Cameron) I'm sure the local, sturdy Brits would do the same as the Palestinians. Resist occupation.

Then you understand that Israel wants all his territories back?


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:16

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Matt, you have explained with clarity how tspam has twisted the poll and the wording of the findings to distort its findings. He's simply being obtuse now.


jose (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:17

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Since Muslim countries are a model of tolerance for Tspam (has he ever criticised one?), let's apply in Israel what Muslim countries do to their minorities. The list is interesting:
- seize all their properties and tell them to leave overnight under penalty of prison for life at best, like they did to 1,000,000 Jews (a refugee problem solved in five years, not 62)
- hang a few on public squares, like they did to Jews in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lybia,
- genocide them like Turks for Armenians,
- massacre them like the Kurds in Turkey, the Christians in Iraq, the Copts in Egypt, the Jews everywhere,

All that is what makes a country tolerant for Tspam. No doubt he has all the time to criticise Israel: the rest of the world is so perfect!

And double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:18

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Meanwhile yankeeuxb excuses suicide bombings against Jews as being a reasonable "resistance" to "occupation".

Yankeeuxb you are a fascist. Go and joing the neo-Nazis of Hamas - the same Hamas that calls for the extermination of every Jew and go around doing Nazi salutes. It's where your sympathies lie.

Antisemitic scum.


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:19

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tspam, you have the admiration of uxb who supports suicide bombings as well as zair who is ana antisemite.

Your mother must be so proud of you.

Scum.


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:34

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Amber and Jose, many thanks for your considered and instructive comments. I am sure the temporary lapse into intemperance is down to the fact that the JC moderators have gone home.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:34

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I;m voting for Amber in the great and eloquent thinkers of our time competition


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:40

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I guess it isn;t easy being rabid and temperate at one and the same time woof woof


Yoni1

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:44

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Leave spammo be. If he didn't have his screeching, deranged antisemitism, he'd have no meaning in his life whatsoever.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:45

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voila


Yoni1

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:46

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Jose, I don't read private messages from people who refuse to accept replies.


Yoni1

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:46

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Jose, I don't read private messages from people who refuse to accept replies.


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:47

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Yoni, how good it is to see you. How are you? It's been some time. Now, perhaps you can answer the question: why is pointing out an Israeli poll that suggests that a majority don't want Arab neighbours and want the government to "encourage" their immigration antisemitism? Is this not a case of shooting the messenger?


Yoni1

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:50

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"Then again, if a group of Scandinavians decided that parts of England belonged to them"

The Jews were in Israel 1500 years before the Arabs, scum.

"and just came and took it, obliterating villages as they went and expelling all the inhabitants and putting those that remain behind walls, turrets and barbed wire"

Which the Jews didn't do, you utter lying scum.

"(i.e. prison camps; Quote courtesy of David Cameron)"

So? Cameron is a dumb, ignorant tosser.

"I'm sure the local, sturdy Brits would do the same as the Palestinians. Resist occupation."

There are no 'Palestinians' and there is no 'occupation', tosser.


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:54

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Yoni, I see that unfortunately temporary intemperance has struck you too. This is a shame as you are normally such a calm and level-headed fellow. I think that since the splenetic utterances are likely to rise, I will leave you all to it for the evening. Play nicely.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:55

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tosser is same as pisher right ? hmmmm interesting


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:57

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JandR you aren't suggesting, are you? Surely not...It can't be...


telegramsam

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 18:57

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JandR you aren't suggesting, are you? Surely not...It can't be...


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 19:02

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jonathan come out come out wherever you are


amber

Wed, 12/01/2010 - 19:03

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tspam, antisemitism should nlt be met with politeness.

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