Israel fired first with live ammunition from the air

This video proves nothing and so your title is fradulent. The brave IDF commandoes fought hand to hand for 40 minutes with paint guns only using their pistols when their lives were in danger.

You are a traitor.

No they didn't!
That is simply a lie!
The video does NOT show that at all, it just shows more of the same, yes, injured people, but this was after the terrorists/insurgents/thugs had attacked the Israeli Naval soldiers as they were landing on the boat, they attacked the Israeli's first, the Israeli's then defending their lives fought back and that is how the injuries occured.
What were the very first words of the interviewee Iara Lee?;- "We were prepared for confrontation" - both on the video interview and in the transcript.
She is just another "useful idiot" for the delegitimise Israel campaign.
Once again, the thugs on the boat were prepared for confrontation, attacked the Israeli's first, the injuries to the people on the ship received the injuries AFTER they had started the trouble.

Really good idea. Fire live rounds from the helicopters to annoy the folks below. Maybe kill a couple to quieten them down a bit. And then, drop in right among them carrying a paintball gun.

These Israelis are sooo stupid. If they wanted a massacre why not just sink the ship. Didn't they see the news from Korea?

What is it with these left-wing, apologists?
They watch the same news as normal people, they see the same videos as normal people, yet they have a totally different perception of what they have seen, from normal people.
Very strange!

And even more strange when like Uncle Tom they are Jews, Jon!

I have met 10 survivors who didn't lie. Why do you all think Israel confiscated all cameras and evidence?They are the ones who have always lied since 1948.

Yvetta you should know better than to expect every Jew to want somewhere to run to when their Jew-hating friends take over and turn on THEM.

Was Uncle Tom Jewish - now there's a twist LOL

Ray, I happen to have a vol of Notes and Queries, 1912 on my desk, and it claims that a Rev. Josiah Henson was the original of Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom.
But I digress ...

Tom, they didn't manage to confiscate all the footage - the Turks put out the footage they didn't confiscate, and it showed the brutality of the "peaceful travellers with guns and our own knives" towards the boarders.

"I have met 10 survivors who didn't lie."

LOL

How would you know?

tomeisner2, you've got it wrong - 10 died, there were over 500 surviviors - more's the pity!!
Where were you on the quay at Ashdod?
Or at the funerals in Turkey with your Hamas headband on!

just saw the footage smuggled out of the raid. my god, can you imagine the stuff that must be on the gigabytes of video and camera that Israel confiscated/stole. No wonder they jammed the peace convoy - idiots to imagine the flotilla would get nothing out.

Iara Lee makes a very convincing and cogent witness. Excellent that she is presenting her footage to the UN today. Wow - compare her to Mark Regev? Sorry defenders of the indefensible - your screwed on this one!

There will be an international inquiry - Obama has insisted. Then we will get to see all this stuff, or Israel will have to explain where its gone.

Oh, and for all you bloggers that drew the contrast between the violent 'peace terrorists' on the Mamara and the other boats in the convoy who 'proceeded peacefully' to Ashod. As I have said before, they would wouldnt they - being under penalty of death for disobedience? Now we find out from Iara Lee that they
were tear gassed and had rubber bullets fired at them!

We also have footage of IDF soldiers being treated by the passengers for injuries - of course we know that they were later handed back to their comrades. Some lynching Mark Regev! Oh, and any independant confirmation of the IDF soldiers injuries during the raid? Been asking for that for a while. You know, all the gunshot wounds, axe wounds, knife wounds we were told they sustained. Will there be anything to compare to the passenger shot in the head and face at 45cm, five times????

Some of you bloggers are beginning to disgust me. john i cohen - ' there were over 500 surviviors - more's the pity!!' That's a completely inhuman sentiment to express on this site. Hang your head in shame, and anyone else who agrees with that. What about some of you not on the lunatic fringe - raycook, yvetta, amber? Do you agree with jon i cohen, who wishes more had been killed?

well done tom eisner - i well know what its like when the rabid defenders of a boundaryless lunatic state get on your back. its not pleasant.

Great post Tom & steve. The truth is finally beginning to emerge.

Let's believe the racist antisemitic IHH supporting jihadist scumbags of the flotilla.

Who would believe a Jew? Not eisner or abbot.

""Great post Tom & steve. The truth is finally beginning to emerge"" - What type of truth is that?
Cloud Cuckoo Land or Alice In Wonderland?

Just to repeat!
No they didn't!
That is simply a lie!
The video does NOT show that at all, it just shows more of the same, yes, injured people, but this was after the terrorists/insurgents/thugs had attacked the Israeli Naval soldiers as they were landing on the boat, they attacked the Israeli's first, the Israeli's then defending their lives fought back and that is how the injuries occured.
What were the very first words of the interviewee Iara Lee?;- "We were prepared for confrontation" - both on the video interview and in the transcript.
She is just another "useful idiot" for the delegitimise Israel campaign.
Once again, the thugs on the boat were prepared for confrontation, attacked the Israeli's first, the injuries to the people on the ship received the injuries AFTER they had started the trouble.

And once again, what is it with these left-wing, apologists?
They watch the same news as normal people, they see the same videos as normal people, yet they have a totally different perception of what they have seen, from normal people.
Very strange!

steve - you asked me if I want 500 dead Turks - no, I don't want any dead Turks. I agree, such remarks are not worthy and should be withdrawn.

I hope that 'our side' can avoid the rabid language of many on the 'other side' - anyone who uses such language or expresses such sentiments loses the argument.

Let's keep this civil.

Look, as I understand it the top deck was cleared and a bunch of IHH guys and others set a well prepared trap. They ignored the captain's request not to confront the Israelis.

Most of the people below decks, including a lot of the press were put there 'for their own safety' so that they couldn't see what was going on. They could only see the aftermath of what happened.

Those below may well have tried to help the Israeli wounded, we don't know.

The 500 below were mostly dupes. The 100 on the top deck were the trouble makers and the martyrdom brigade.

But as I've said before, only a full enquiry can resolve this. The problem is that neither side is going to believe the story of the other side but the world will definitely believe any lies of the activists and not the testimony of the IDF.

I wasn't there. Neither were any of you. and even if you were, it's unlikely, in the chaos, and with bias, you can unravel the truth.

The missing and confiscated video must be part of the enquiry.

I know what I saw in the IDF videos but I'd like to know more. Nothing I've seen shows me how 9 people were killed. But I can see at least 3 IDF being attacked with extreme violence.

As for shots at close range. You may think that is some sort of execution. I think that the autopsy evidence is consistent with an attempt to disable (leg and abdomen) followed by lethal shots to the head. The pistols the Israelis had were 9mm and I am told that these are not very effective in this sort of situaiton.

To ensue that you have killed someone who you believe is trying to kill you I'm sure you'd make damn sure he couldn't knife you or bludgeon you, especially if there were dozens of people behind him all trying to do the same AND you had seen a comrade shot.

But I'm a biased Zionist trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Shabbat Shalom to everyone, Jew and non-Jew who reads these blogs.

Amber, Tom is a Jew, or perhaps I should say an is-a-Jew. Yes, I know it's strange - but it's also true. He doesn't like polaks, litvaks and galitzianers very much, though ...

Here's a link I nicked from the OyVaGoy blog of the indefatigible Chas Newkey-Burden:
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/ham...

It was posted on Chas's blog my Wendy,and on the same blog there's a good article from Ha'aretz posted by Mark2 which sheds further light on the incident.
Steve, have a look.

Steve, Ray's post is so cogent there's little for me to add.

thats ok ray - i can deal with what you've said. And if you are a Zionist, I guess you are entitled to that view also. I disagree with your interpretation of what happened, and the motivations of those passengers, but as we have both said, the truth only has a chance of coming out if we get a proper int inquiry - everyone has to appear, all evidence has to be looked at - inc the missing passenger video and camera evidence.

i am glad that you have distanced yourself from the more extreme and unpleasant elements blogging on this site. If one believes one's position is strong, moral, and accepts that all peoples need to live in dignity, and with their humanity respected, one does not need to blog some of the repulsive stuff we see on this site.

and shalom to you.

abbot, your posts are unpleasant and extreme.

I actually fancied a Turkish boy when I was a teenager. His name was Farouk and he fancied my friend. Did I envy her! And I met a Turkish girl in the same group who was far more liberated than I was - heavier makeup, and smoking (something Yvetta would not dream of doing from that day to this).
Of course I don't share Jon's sentiments. I'm sorry anybody was killed. Turkey is a great nation, and Ataturk quite a hero of mine.

blimey amber - you think so? have you read some of the usual suspects - jon i cohen, joshua18, akiva, hoffman? The write like they have rabies!

the truth can be unpleasant amber if you dont want to hear it. and i dont think arguing for israel to accept the 2 state solution and live in peace with its neighbours is extreme?

yvetta. i am relieved to hear you dont share jon i's sentiments. i agree with you entirely.

abbot, you haven't said anything true, you merely report second hand rumours from others (Israel haters)and present them as fact. If you wish to find rabid writings, look at your mate eisner, who would refuse the Jews the right to self determination, alone of all peoples on the earth - and even refuses to condemn Hamas.

That's pretty extreme.

amber. read my post on Stephen Pollards blog. read it and tell me if you think i am an israel hater.

abbot

I think you are an Israel hater.

That is a very good example of propaganda technique.

First assert the IDF took all cameras, then assert that they were soooooo stupid they forgot to check the suspects. And finally, assert that everything that appeared had to be 'smuggled'.

Brilliant example of begging the question fallacy, supported by the usual haters.

I see your still all sticking to the Israel is never guilty of anything narrative. Jonathan the truth is out, the flotilla attack has been a total disaster for Israel. Not only did it kill 9 civilians, but politically has increased pressure upon itself to end the illegal blockade of Gaza

Plus if you actually watch the footage on democracy now, a doctor who was one of the peace activists is treating a slightly injured soldier, he's not quite the 'terrorist' Israel would like the world to believe.