Isi Leibler

Never mind, Jonathan.

I have every confidence that this esteemed organ, with its robust defence of Jewish interests everywhere, and its celebrated intrepid reportage of all developments of concern to Anglo-Jewry and to Israel, will include your letter next week.
It was only held over for lack of space, I'm sure...

I mean, it couldn't have been a case of you scattering pearls before swine.

Could it?

Jonathan,

Following Davis's remarks, I was telephoned this morning by the UJIA, asking if I would donate to a new project in Israel for children.

My answer to the caller was that following Davis's outrageous comments, I would not donate any money via UJIA while he was still connected and would donate to Israel independently.

I urge anyone who feels the same about Mick Davis's comments, to do the same, thus demonstrating your feelings in a manner that will actually have some effect.

As to Isi Leibler, I concur 100% with your comments about Leibler and what a shame it is that the current UK Jewish leadership is so lacking in people of true stature and ability.

There is too much happening in the UK that is potentially or actually harmful to the UK Jewish Community for us not to be properly represented and from what I can see, we are not.

Hear, hear!!!

Maybe next time, ask those who want to represent you how they feel about a number of subjects concerning Israel.
If the answers are not satisfactory, vote for someone else.

The problem is jose that no-one has voted for Mr Davis.

Yes, because refusing to donate to UJIA projects is so much more important than providing aid for children isn't it.

As most people here will know anyway, I am of the left and over the years have worked on campaigns with a number of leftist parties.

Cityca's comments - and those commentators offering their approval - remind me of no group so much as the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) who once admitted to me personally that their project was to destroy all the other groups on the left first so that everyone could flock (oh, how we laughed) to the RCP credo.

Fool. S/he didnt say they wouldn't give. S/he said s/he would give direct via the charity.

Go back to doing demos with the 'One State' and terrorist supporters.

What's the point about Isi Liebler pontificating about British Jews. He doesn't live here, he doesn't pay our taxes.

Leibler, not Liebler, Mr Joe.
The point is, he's trying to save us from ourselves - or rather from the lily-livered lackeys of political correctness that pass as "leaders" in the UK.
He's a truly great man. Amazingly so.

In that case, by the same token, Mick Davis et al are trying to save Israelis from themselves. Isi Liebler/Leibler is a polemicist. He has to fill column inches for the JerPost and Yisrael Hayom. he was good when he took on things he knew, like the WJC and the Claims Conference, but when it comes to British Jewry, he really hasn't a clue.

He does have a clue - more than a clue - that's the whole point. He's not a polemicist - he's a prophet, a genuinely great man. No bull, Joe.

Sorry, he's a polemicist who did good when it came to exposing the WJC and the Claims Conference. And our rabbis teach us that after the Prophets, the power of prophecy was given to fools. He's no fool. But he has no clue about the UK.

Geeze, he's a bonzer bloke. Why wontcha listen. Read Jono's blog again - Leibler was helping Soviet Jewry when you woz in britches and I was still kneehigh to a wallaby, cobber.

I didn't say he hadn't done good work. It's just that he has to be splenetic in his column inches and he hasn't a clue about what goes on here. Who is this Jono, anyway?

Jono, the bonzer bloke whose blog we're on.
About to go walkabout.
Back later.

Ah Joemillis gets exercised about Isi Liebler and comes up with this gem "He doesn't live here, he doesn't pay our taxes" well neither you nor Mr Davis live here or pay our taxes so don't presume to tell our democratically elected Government how it should protect the citizens of this country because it may impinge on your or Mr Davis's comfort zone.

Advi3er, that was my point. After reading the responses to Mick Davies stating the bleedin' obvious, I just wondered how it felt when the boot was on the other foot. "Eat", "cake" and "it" come to mind.

Joe, I've known Isi Leibler for almost 30 years. What he achieved in that time, and before it, for Australian and world Jewry is the stuff of legends.
The foolish Anglo-Jewish "leadership" prefers the whisper-it-softly approach - it no longer gets results, I'm afraid.
Hopefully the next generation will be better.

Yvetta, sorry, but the next generation is even less likely to applaud all Israeli policies blindly. He achieved a huge amount for Soviet Jewry and for exposing the corruption within certain institutions. That cannot be taken away from him. But he is a relic of another era. What Isi Leibler achieved he achieved in different times, when we weren't as open or as critical. Mick Davies, Douglas Krikler, Harvey Rose, Trevor C, Poju Z et al get that. Isi doesn't.
And in a way, Israel has brought this upon itself. If Bibi is demanding that the Palestinians recognise Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people (fair enough, I suppose), then he must have realised that representatives of the Jewish people, the majority of whom live abroad, are going to have a say, and many of them will say things Bibiu isn't going to like (that Orwell quote about liberty comes to mind). It's a bit of a double-edged sword.

Leibler is a giant. Only pygmies dispute that.

Ad hom right back at you... (oh and by the way, Pygmy is a pejorative term).

Joe Millis: It is not friends of Israel's job "applaud" Israel's policies, or even agree with them. It is our job to explain them.

For crying out loud do you think anyone in the UK APPLAUDED Cast Lead? What kind of person would think that?

Nobody has to like what Israeli governments do, but people must understand that they do what they do because they have absolutely no choice in the matter. Israeli leaders are constantly stuck between rocks and hard places, and the decisions they take, while not always agreeable, are always reasonable.

In case you hadn't noticed the default position of a lot of people is that Israel is an inherently evil country, populated by evil people, who mistreat Arabs out of malice. That opinion is extremely dangerous for all of us (I don't just mean Jews) if it goes unchallenged.

Public criticism like that of Mr Davis helps nobody. From my point of view he seems to be trying to throw the Israeli government under the bus to save his own skin.

Just wondering, Jonathan Hoffman (whoever you are), if you are going to be abusive every time you read something with which you disagree.

Matt, there are always choices. And there are plenty here who applauded Cast Lead, Lebanon 2, discriminatory laws, etc.
I don't have to explain something I disagree with. In fcat, I don't have to do anything. That's why we have free will.
You and I will just have to agree to differ on Mick D et al and, I suspect, on the role of people in a free society.

Matt, there are always choices.

Yes, Olmert could have waited that HAMAS tires out killing civilians! Tell us what the great genius you undoubtedly are would have done instead of a massive attack that destroyed HAMAS capacity and will to attack for some years?
Because, whatever you think about Cast Lead, it reached the goal that Israel sought: HAMAS does not shoot anymore on Sderot. Some minor groups in Gaza send rockets, that is right, but HAMAS 'discipline' them (ie kill or give their position to Israel which save them doing the job).

discriminatory laws

What are you talking about?

Jose, as your default position appears to be abusive, I will ignore you. I suggest others do the same.

Jose, as your default position appears to be abusive, I will ignore you.

Who cares, since you don't answer any question anyway?

By the way, you big friend Erdman was sure that Fatah had recognised Israel long ago (not even talking about a Jewish State, just Israel).
Unfortunately, he was unable to show us any written document of any value about it.

Your beliefs are similar. Your religion is made of pseudo-facts.

What really pisses me off is that I bet Mick Davis kept his mouth firmly shut when Israel had an (incompetent, suicidal) left wing government. Now that Bibi's in charge he feels it's his moral imperative to stick the knife in.

Seems to me that the right stands up for the left in public, whereas the left stabs the right in the back. Typified by Livni attacking Bibi's government at every opportunity as soon as he was in power, contrasted with Bibi's staunch defence of Olmert's government.

Any answer concerning these "discriminatory laws" in Israel? I am very interested, as I live in that country, to know if the law discriminates against me! And which laws?

Joe, maybe salvation (in the form of a strong non-Mick Davis type leader) will emerge from one of these young people:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=11692764239

:~O

Of course Zeev Jabotinsky is not so young. But even their website has gone...

Looks like Ibrahim al-Rais's absurdities.

Matt, it's called democracy. Israel thankfully is one of those.
Yvetta, I am not impressed by facebook groups, especially those who call for boycotts and have barely 300 members.

Democarcy is when the leaders represent the majority of the people who elected them, joemillis. When this is no more the case, it's time to vote them out.

Where are these "discriminatory laws" you were talking about, joemillis?

Oh, wait! I've got one for you. A law saying that if one sells land to a Jew, one may get death penalty. Is that discriminatory enough?
Or if one works of buy from a Jew, he can be jailed for years. Not yet discriminatory?
Of course these examples are not from Israel. What have you got from Israel, please?

Jose
Pick on one person at a time. What gives you the right to drag my name in to this blog which I thought was about one Isi Liebler?

What gives you the right

Free speech. Any other question? Thanks for playing, anyway!

So, I was saying that Joe's religion, as that of Erdman's, was made of pseudo-facts.
In the case of Erdman, one of these pseudo-fact is the propaganda-supported one, which states that Fatah recognised Israel (not a Jewish State, not de jure, just a de facto Israel). While there is abundant talk about this pseudo-fact, there is not one single piece of paper that officialised this supposed recognition. The required modification of the PLO Charter was never made and is still in force up to now. Of course, this is because there was a legitimate concern that PLO would break into pieces as soon as this modification would be done. In other words, it was not done to accomodate HAMAS terrorists. But it means very clearly that PA has no intention whatsoever to make the first step required by Oslo Accords, 17 years after, and the roadmap, 8 years later.
'Palestinians' are those who rejected peace for 43 years.

This, and many other pseudo-facts, has been exposed long ago by Isi. And not one of the lefties took note, it seems.

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