Institute for Jewish Policy Research publishes survey on British-Jews attitudes towards Israeli state policies


By ibrows
August 6, 2010
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I saw this in Haaretz and thought of all you open minded, independent and free thinking individuals on the JC blog, notably Jon and Jonathan. It appears that the blind following of Israeli policies as 'always automatically right' and labeling of any criticism of Israel as 'anti-semitic' and 'anti-Israel' may be confined to the Jewish Chronicle, at least amongst Jews within Britain.

4,000 British Jews responded to the survey that examined their attitudes towards the Israeli state. Large numbers of the Jews polled had visited Israel (95%), and 72% described themselves as Zionists. Nevertheless, it appears some British Jews can be critical of Israeli policies (i guess Jon and Jonathan were not polled??).

78% supported the two-state solution, 74% were against increasing West Bank settlements, 67% favoured a land for peace deal, and 52% supported negotiations with Hamas in order to achieve peace.

but i guess these British Jews who can criticise Israeli policies will simply be dismissed as 'self-hating Jews?'

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/anshel-pfeffer-poll-u-k-jews-s...

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Ben Abuyah

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 09:40

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"i guess Jon and Jonathan were not polled?"

On the contrary - at least in the case of Jonathan - he made sure that it was circulated to the ZF mailing list. Possibly (unbelievable as it may sound), there are even some members of the ZF who think that Israel is not beyond criticism?


Joshua18

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 09:54

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Trust ibrows to reach exactly the wrong conclusion. Robin Shepherd puts the correct conclusion very well:

"A major new survey by the Institute for Jewish Policy Research suggests that British Jews are overwhelmingly supportive of Israel, with a very large proportion indicating that Israel forms a significant component of their Jewish identity. The report simultaneously represents a devastating blow to anti-Zionist Jews who are given huge prominence in the British media — particularly in the BBC and the Guardian — in order to give the impression that significant sections of Britain’s Jewish community are as hostile to Israel as much of the non-Jewish population."

"Taken together, such figures are indeed devastating to the claims of anti-Zionist Jewish groups in Britain such as Independent Jewish Voices that they speak for significant sections of Britain’s Jewish community. Given the kind of attitudes represented above, they would be hard pressed to claim the support of more than 10-15 percent of British Jews. In other words, they are very much on the fringes of the Jewish community with the percentiles in which their opinions fall being roughly similar to those of people in wider British society who sympathise with the far left or the far right.

On policy issues in Israel, British Jewish opinion tends be slightly more dovish than Israeli opinion. Nonetheless, their views fall well within the Israeli mainstream."

http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/major-new-survery-of-british-jews-sho...

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And you and your fellow travellers do not engage in simple criticism. On the contrary, you are possessed of an obsessive hatred of the Jewish state and attempt to demonise her at every possible opportunity. Extremely rich when you consider what Bankrupt Britain (aka Perfidious Albion) has been up to recently. I'll let Robin Shepherd take up the story again:

Leaks on mass civilian casualties in Afghanistan could form basis for Goldstone style prosecutions against US, Britain and other coalition countries

"This weekend’s release of thousands of secret official files about coalition operations in Afghanistan paints a harrowing picture of the fog of war, most troubling of all of the accidental killings by our soldiers of hundreds of innocent civilians – revellers at wedding parties, kids in school buses, ordinary people going about their daily business who tragically found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time."

http://www.robinshepherdonline.com/leaks-on-mass-civilian-casualties-in-...


Ben Abuyah

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 10:39

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Joshua, you're several months late with your Purim spiel.


happygoldfish

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 10:40

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joshua, i think you're misreading ibrows' "conclusion" …

Joshua18: Trust ibrows to reach exactly the wrong conclusion.

ibrows' conclusion (which is at the start) is …

ibrows: It appears that the blind following of Israeli policies as 'always automatically right' and labeling of any criticism of Israel as 'anti-semitic' and 'anti-Israel' may be confined to the Jewish Chronicle, at least amongst Jews within Britain.

now, whether the part about the jc is correct is open to debate, but the part about the survey is surely unquestionable?

the (institute of jewish policy research) survey does support ibrows' conclusion that a substantial proportion of british jews is not prone to "labeling of any criticism of Israel as 'anti-semitic' and 'anti-Israel' "

if people want to criticise ibrows, i suggest that they concentrate on whether jc bloggers (or readers?) are prone to such labelling, and whether he is right in saying that …

ibrows: … these British Jews who can criticise Israeli policies will simply be dismissed as 'self-hating Jews?'

… by certain bloggers here


Yvetta

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 11:02

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An excellent rejoinder, Joshua, if I may say so!


Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 13:17

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Usual ill-informed drivel from Ibrows egged on by Ben Abuya, the employee of a Jewish organisation but who doesn't believe in the Jewish State.


Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 13:30

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Ibrows old chap

Did you know Mafeking had been relieved?

It's about as stale news as this

Pip-pip


Yvetta

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 13:55

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Let Me Introduce Myself, My Name Is Israel
www.youtube.com

Looks great - and deserves wide distribution


ibrows

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:43

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Joshua
You must have read a different report, it stated British Jews were strongly supportive of Israel as a Jewish homeland, while also critical of Israeli policies and Jewish settlements. I know it is hard for some to accept on the JC, but not everyone is as one dimensional and blindly supportive of Israel as many on here.

Jonathan
Good to see you upholding my representation of you as thoroughly open minded - attacking another individual (Ben) simply as you disagree with him


ibrows

Fri, 08/06/2010 - 20:55

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I think by the wrong conclusion, Joshua must have meant I read the bits he totally, selectively, consciously ignored as they challenged his position.

Amongst the British Jews polled, 78% supported the two-state solution, 74% were against increasing West Bank settlements, 67% favoured a land for peace deal, and 52% supported negotiations with Hamas in order to achieve peace.

I guess you could call that 'slightly more dovish than Israeli opinion'.

Jonathan, you can dismiss it, as you do with everything that challenges your own singular Zionist views, nevertheless this survey proves that British Jews are increasingly turning away from your uncritical stance towards Israeli policies and instead favour a peace deal


Jonathan Hoffman

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 04:44

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Doh!

Israel supports all those things. The 52% support for talking to Hamas was conditional on it advancing peace, which it obviously does not do now since Hamas is committed to genocide.

There is a freeze on settlement building, it seems to have passed you by

(Thinks: Why are the Israel bashers such intellectual pygmies..)


clevenson (not verified)

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 09:38

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"There is a freeze on settlement building"

Oh is there Johnny? been there recently? if you had you wouldn't constantly falsify the situation.


Jon_i_Cohen

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 11:39

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This is all old news, but nevertheless some key points from the report:-

For 82% of respondents, Israel plays a ‘central’ or ‘important but not central’
role in their Jewish identities.
• 90% believe that Israel is the ‘ancestral homeland’ of the Jewish people.
• 95% have visited Israel at some point in the past. In contrast, previous studies
reported comparable figures of 91% (2002) and 78% (1995).
• 72% categorize themselves as Zionists

So, where does this leave all you left-wing, de-legitimizer, self-hating, open-toed sandal wearing, Israel bashers?


Jonathan Hoffman

Sat, 08/07/2010 - 12:54

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http://www.haaretz.com/news/netanyahu-declares-10-month-settlement-freez...

Yes there is a ten month freeze on settlement building

Shame clevenson that you have literacy problems. I hear there are some good remedial classes, designed especially for Guardian-reading delegitimising Jews who are proud to be ashamed to be Jewish. Right up your street my friend.


Ben Abuyah

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 08:44

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Gotcha!


Jonathan Hoffman

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 09:05

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Is Mummy letting you play with her computer again?


Jonathan Hoffman

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 10:22

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Feel free. I have nothing to hide.

That's why I write in my own name.

Unlike gutless cowards like you who hide behind a pseudonym.


Jonathan Hoffman

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 14:18

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You're quiet Mr Abuyah - is it because the Vulkano is about to erupt?


Jonathan Hoffman

Sun, 08/08/2010 - 14:53

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To coin a phrase DV (aka Ben Abuya)

Gotcha!

Sound familiar?

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