In defence of Avraham Reiss


By mattpryor
November 26, 2010
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Over the last couple of weeks I have seen some extraordinary attacks against Avraham Reiss, a poster on these blogs from Jerusalem. Some of these attacks, extremely personal in nature, have astonished and disgusted me, particularly ones from one particular obsessive poster here who described him as a "sick and pathetic" individual, and made Nazi references to him.

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/if-i-was-a-methodist-i-would-refer-you-new...

Regardless of a poster's views or opinions, this is not warranted. It is absolutely shameful. If the person who made such remarks is indeed Jewish (as he or she frequently claims, throwing in Hebrew phrases to bolster his or her credentials) then this is doubly wicked.

Avraham may express views on here which are unpalatable for some. I can't pretend that I myself haven't winced on occasion when reading them. But I can honestly say that he has said nothing which many, many people of my parents' generation do not think.

He has also been attacked because of his religious beliefs. In this age of heightened anti-Semitism I think this is particularly disgusting. I am not particularly religious, however I firmly believe that one's religious convictions are an extremely personal matter and should be respected at all times. Shame on those who have mocked him for his convictions.

I have now learned that Avraham has had his account blocked by the JC staff. I think this is immoral and wrong, particularly while his worst attacker has received no such punishment.

This is a plea to the JC staff to restore his account and to all posters here to show him more respect. By all means disagree with his opinions if you feel the need to, but please end the personal attacks.

I don't know about others here but I am motivated to post here in order to help to defend Israelis from the constant barrage of abuse they receive. If we cannot even defend just one Israeli from such abuse then we may as well just not bother.

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Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 12:55

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I agree. Avraham should be restored.


telegramsam

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 12:57

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Absolutely, Matt. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I wholeheartedly agree that Avraham's ban must be lifted. Although he and I have had our differences, he is a brother Jew and he must not be persecuted in this way.


telegramsam

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 12:58

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Hear, hear, Jonathan.


Yvetta

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:08

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Very well said, Matt.

Avraham is a voice from Jerusalem. He has served in the IDF. He is in the heart of the Homeland. We need his contributions on here. He has been feisty and frank in his frustration with anti-Zionist posters. He must be forgiven his straight talk because he knows what it's like to be in a country demonised and under constant attack.
OK, perhaps at times he should be a trifle more of a Casper Milktoast - but he's a straight-talking hip-shooting kind of guy, and I want him back.

Please, Mr Pollard (pretty please with sugar on top ;~])


Jon_i_Cohen

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:16

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Well said Matt and I couldn't agree more.
If Avraham has been banned/blocked he should be re-instated.
He has a great deal to say and offer on these pages and certainly opinions of more value than some of the anti-semites (still) allowed to blog on this web site.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:20

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Except of course that he is the kind of guy who gives Zionism a bad name by criticizing all those who don't have the same beliefs, including a number of undoubtable Zionists. Probably haven't served in the IDF as his brand of Judaism does not tolerate Army service which is a waste of time. Supports haredis even when they steal money from the people by creating false IDs of fictitious yeshiva students...
And extremism is not the best way to speak about the country we love. Who would choose a BNP member as a representant of UK?
True, antisemites like zair should also be banned too. They have nothing to teach us, as their sectarian and racist comments are everywhere in the Muslim world but had nothing to do in a Jewish newspaper. They have enough lebensraum in Eletronic Intifada and other racist publications.


telegramsam

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:23

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Jose, respectfully I don't think I can agree. Avraham served a vital purpose here. His eviction is deeply sad and unwarranted.


mattpryor

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:27

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Jose they let representatives from the English Defence League post on here for crying out loud. They are the most divisive sectarian group in the country.

The only people that are going to get a "bad impression" of Zionism or Israel based on one person's views are anti-Semites. Challenge views you don't agree with without the personal attacks.

"Supports haredis"

So what? So do I. I support all Jews.

It isn't about who are your representatives here, it's about giving people a voice. It can't be one rule for the right and another for the left.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:28

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Jose, respectfully I don't think I can agree. Avraham served a vital purpose here. His eviction is deeply sad and unwarranted.

Yes he served YOUR purposes: this way, it is easy for you to pass as a moderate Israel hater and justify some of your propaganda.
I'm not sure Jews and Israel need such "supporters", just as you think they don't need EDL supporters, if I may remind your Alzheimer striken pea brain?
To me they (you) are more part of the Middle East problem than from a solution to it.

Double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.


Yvetta

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:29

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jose, I think Avraham was a little too trigger happy regarding you, but he has definitely served in the IDF.


Yvetta

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:37

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This is all from Avraham reply to jose:

To Jose,
My IDF service number is 2741488. Last held rank: Sergeant. Unit: Combat Engineers. Military Qualifications: Qualified by the IDF to handle explosives, land mines (anti-tank and anti-personnel) and wireless communications. Length of Reserve Service: 20 years.

Now, Jose, let's hear what YOU have done for Israel.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:49

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Please Yvetta, how can you check anything Ibrahim al-Rais says?

I'm qualified to handle computer networks and safety. If I pretended that I built the Stuxnet worm to destroy Iranian uranium centrifuges, would anyone believe it?

So please, Ibrahim doesn't understand anything about military strategy, is not an engineer (ever heard about a haredi engineer? Couldn't find any here!).

I have done more for Israel than Ibrahim, as I don't give Zionism a bad name by voicing extremist pseudo-religious superstitions.
I justly consider Zionism as a laic liberation movement, not as a superstitious divine promise. This is historical 20th century Zionism, proven as a necessity by the Shoah and envisioned by such political giants as Herzl and others.
Religious Zionism is an Israeli problem which is likely to put obstacle to peace.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:57

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Jose they let representatives from the English Defence League post on here for crying out loud.

Please Matt, two wrongs do not make one right. I also believe EDL members have nothing to do here. That doesn't prove getting rid of "Ibrahim" isn't right.

I think the limit is found with tspam's propaganda. But he can be useful to show how the most supposedly moderate anti-'Zionists' apply double standards when it comes to Israel.
None of them would call for a boycott of China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Lybia, Morrocco, Lebanon, and of course of the racist terrorist 'Palestinian' territories.
Yet Israel is 'guilty' of much less violations than these, and less violations than UK for example. After all, Israel has not attacked Iraq! An illegal aggression in UN terms.


Jewish American...

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:13

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Telegramsam, Avraham's account shouldn't be blocked, no matter how vile, personal, and offensive his posts are because he's a Jew? Is that what you are saying? Should anyone's account be blocked?


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:17

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Should anyone's account be blocked?

Yes "JewishAmerican...", yours.


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:19

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bring Avraham back! There is absolutely no logic in blocking him, when I have seen several other posters using profanities, expressing outright hatred etc.

Either have a consistent policy, or none. But a selective one is the worst option.


Yehuda Erdman

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:51

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With respect, service in the IDF is not a license to blog. Reiss' problem was that he flew of the handle, used foul language, bullying tactics to shut others up for having different views and more besides. Perhaps if he apologised for his outrageous behaviour and agreed to a probationary period when his posts would be closely moderated to ensure he did not repeat his errors, he could be allowed to resume.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:07

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There is no interest of Avraham to loose time on these blogs. He is much better for him to remain in his haredi shul, that he shouldn't leave at all.

I understand many of the antisemites would want him to be there in order to prove their points, about intolerance of Israelis. He gives Zionism a bad name and they love him for that.

I prefer to keep in the blogs someone who is able to support the Israeli or anti-Israeli side with arguments, instead of indulging in name-calling, pseudo-religious superstition, hate propaganda and racism.
Of course this applies to both sides, as I don't use double standards, which would be a sure sign of antisemitism.


Kahina

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:18

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This post is not about Avraham Reiss.

This is about the Editor of the Jewish Chronicle deciding which Jews are good enough to be seen on it's blogs.

If articles are offensive, then they can moderate them. And there are plenty of comments on these blogs that need moderating.

But readers should know that when you get banned from the online JC, your IP address is banned. Meaning you get banned not only from writing posts, but also from accessing the site. So you can't even read the general news.

When you are banned, you can't place an advert in the social and personal columns. If you need to announce that somebody had died, you are unable to do so.

THIS IS THE ORGAN OF BRITISH JEWRY.

Shame on Stephen Pollard!

(Note I'm screenshotting this, as this comment will probably be removed).


Kahina

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:34

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Maybe the next step is to have Avraham arrested?

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/will-jfjfp-take-case-palestininan-blogger


Harvey

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:46

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Ok
I have the perfect solution .

Reinstate Avraham and ban Tspam instead .


Kahina

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:50

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Nobody should be banned.

The JC just needs an impartial moderator.

They are acting like the thought police.


jandrsimonson (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 22:38

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I agree with kahina nobody should be banned just because Avrahim called my wife a lesbian and because he hates homosexeuals and African Jews and just about everyone else is no reason to ban him.Why can't he just be part of the rich jc blog tapestry ? Avrahim is innocent FREE AVRAHIM

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jose (not verified)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 06:52

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But readers should know that when you get banned from the online JC, your IP address is banned. Meaning you get banned not only from writing posts, but also from accessing the site. So you can't even read the general news.

Kahina, how do you know that? Have you ever been banned? Besides it is so easy to prevent one thing and not the other that I doubt the JC would do both. But then, nothing is impossible, just irrational.

Avrahim is innocent FREE AVRAHIM

It's "Ibrahim al-Rais" ! ;)


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 09:13

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"Jose" knows.


jose (not verified)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:34

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"Jose" knows.

Indeed, I know exactly what I'm talking about since that is my job. Computer networking and security.

Any problem with that Myopic Iris?


Yehuda Erdman

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:21

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jandrsimonson
That was really funny and I laughed out loud. There are some people posting here who badly need a sense of humour implant. Mr Reiss was one, but he is no longer blogging here. No doubt somewhere in the world press, maybe even in Israel he is right now launching some more bullet points without the points....DUCK!!


Kahina

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:30

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I haven't been banned yet because I know the rules. I am a mere observer of what goes on here.

We can all insult each other as much as we want, and the JC takes no notice. But.... if you dare to challenge the Editor or his journalists, well that's it. Poof! Blown into the ether.

You don't really think Avraham got banned because of his views? No. He got banned because a couple of days ago he revealed some inside information on his other website. And that made somebody in Furnival Street very cross.

And why did Anthony Posner/Blacklisted Dictator get banned? He challenged the integrity of Jenni Frazer and made her look a fool. http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/about-time

A little bit of dhimmitude towards Furnival Street will assure you safe passage in JC blogland.


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:33

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LOL


jose (not verified)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:48

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Poor "Ibrahim al-Rais" is a haredi that probably neither went into the Army nor worked.
And he was banned probably because he attacked all, wrote superstitious fantasies that he wanted to pass as profound religious truths. Besides he does what he could at the same time to defame the JC staff. Enough is enough. This hateful person has nothing to do here, no more than a number of other Jew-haters.
See who I mean?


Kahina

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:18

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Jose

But the Jew haters will stay. They don't get banned.

Avraham makes SP's blood boil. He wrote something on his JW website and SP wants to show him who has the power.

It's really a stupid little boy's game.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this all blowing over and going back to serious editorials about the latest celebrity to be caught eating chopped liver.


Yvetta

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 20:45

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I had no idea that banning meant rather more than not being able to access the blogs.

How mean-spirited to ban an Israeli - one who has put his life on the line for Israel - from accessing this entire website.

I subscribe to the hardcopy JC but I'd still feel it a hardship to be banned from the breaking stories on here.
Avraham can hardly be expected to fork out a jizya tax in return for the hard copy, but as a proud Jew and a proud Israeli he should certainly be able to access the website of "the premier newspaper of Anglo-Jewry".

For shame!!!


Kahina

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:05

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Yvetta

I think the JC is officially known as "the Organ of British Jewry".

Not sure which organ?


telegramsam

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:31

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Kahina, that's a good point. However, I believe the "organ of Anglo-Jewry" slogan was ditched in the 80s or 90s.


Yoni1

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:31

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"He has also been attacked because of his religious beliefs. In this age of heightened anti-Semitism I think this is particularly disgusting"

This little shit has attacked me, again and again, because I am an atheist.

He has cast doubt, again and again, on my manhood.

He has mocked me and cast doubt on my 4 years in the IDF.

He is a shit. I am hugely disappointed that you defend him. I expected better from you.


Yoni1

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:36

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"Jose they let representatives from the English Defence League post on here for crying out loud. They are the most divisive sectarian group in the country."

Unmitigated bollocks. They are true patriots, who fight the real divisive sectarian groups: Islamists and Jihadists and the quislings who promote them. If you don't know this, you live on a different planet. And a word of advice: stop popping those little pink pills.


Yoni1

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:39

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"An illegal aggression in UN terms"

It's nonsense to call it "illegal". The UN has nil legal authority to issue legal judgments.


jose (not verified)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:52

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Anyway, I'm looking forward to this all blowing over and going back to serious editorials about the latest celebrity to be caught eating chopped liver.

I guess you didn't see much of these in these blogs, and especially not in mine.
I won't miss the pseudo-religious superstitions of this supporter of tspam in the guise of an opponent.

How mean-spirited to ban an Israeli - one who has put his life on the line for Israel - from accessing this entire website.

Please Yvetta, the word of a pseudo-religious haredi is not worth a 5-agorot coin. You don't know anything about his service to Israel, in which he probably arrived to old to serve in the Army, anyway, if he ever put his foot on the Holy Land.


Fabian

Thu, 09/15/2011 - 08:26

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I knew Avraham when he lived in England and also knew him when I lived and worked at the same place as him in Jerusalem. Everything he has said about himself is true.
If you are Israeli, you should well know that plenty of Haredim serve in the defense forces in all areas.


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