How Israel is becoming like Iran and North Korea

Israel doesn't use rape and torture as an instrument of state repression, it doesn't stone adulteresses to death, it doesn't hang gays from cranes or lamp posts, it doesn't ban the places of worship of minority faiths, it doesn't suppress democratic institutions or a free press, and it is not a hermit dictatorship bequeathed by a paranoic maniac to his son, and its people don't eat cats and dogs.
On yer bike!

Yvetta,

Let's see whether tsam once again re-posts this blog. By doing so, he will, of course, remove your comment and reveal his utter contempt for the freedom of expression of his fellow bloggers.

I advise all bloggers, posting on tsam's blog, to keep copies of their comments just in case he erases them.

Yvetta, let's try and be objective and look at what I wrote. Israel is behaving like a pathetic Third World hellhole. It thinks nothing of entering silly games over the size of hummus plates and multi-player chess (like North Korea chides its neighbour with a game of "who can build the tallest flagpole").
It does close mosques, it lets murderers of gays get away with it (has anyone been arrested for the shooting at Bar No'ar last year? Or for the repeated attempted attacks on Gay Pride Marches?)
It is trying its hardest to suppress institutions through fear and hatred -- just look at the modus operandi of the fascist group Im Tirzu, which receives state and foreign funding and which has links to senior members of major political groups.
Yet the country of the people of the book is creating a generation of ignorami as its education system disintegrates and its results slide down every recognisable international league table.
Yes, people are hungry in Israel, perhaps not to the extent of eating their dogs, but more and more people are going without hot meals and meat. Just look at the number of charities working to help people in need with soup kitchens and cast-off clothing. This was almost unheard of before 1990. Israel is rightfully a member of the OECD, but it has one of the widest social gaps in that organisation. This is a people that gave the world social justice (read Leviticus about rules pertaining to slavery and treatment of others) and the Prophet Amos.
There is also growing racism, not only targeted at Israel's Arab population and the Palestinians next door, but also towards refugees and foreign workers. And if that isn't bad enough, there is huge racism towards Israel's Ethiopian immigrants and only recently a disgusting case of discrimination of Sephardi girls in the ultra Orthodox school system. What happened to the Golden Rule? "Ve'ahavta et re'echah kemochah" "Love thy Neighbour as Thyself"? Aren't we supposed to treat the stranger among us equally?
Israel is rapidly becoming the most Un-Jewish state imaginable. Yet its shills here will attack, abuse and damn anyone who cares enough about Israel but won't play aong with their silly, immature knee-jerk reactions. Damn them.

Tsam,

Let us assume that the above is correct. Does it equate with the Iranian and North Korean regimes?

If it doesn't, are you not once again posting "out-and-out anti Israel bile"?

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Prepare to mount!

As I said, an immature, kneejerk reaction. Two of them, noch

"What happened to the Golden Rule? "Ve'ahavta et re'echah kemochah" "Love thy Neighbour as Thyself"? Aren't we supposed to treat the stranger among us equally?"

- this is from the ignoramus who couldn't even name the sections of the basic book of Jewish Law. He thinks the Torah has just one binding commandment - a bit like Chabad who think tephillin (phylacteries) is everything.

Avraham, where did I say that the Torah has just one binding commandment? Go on, show me. But as it is, are we not commended to love our neighbours as ourselves? Are we not commanded to treat the Ger with at least kindness (for you were gerim (alien sojourners) in the land of Egypt (Deuteronomy 10:19 and Sefer HaHinnuch Mizvah, by Rabbi Pichas Halevi of Barcelona)? I suggest you read and reread and then read again parashat kedoshim (Vayikra 19, especially 13-18) and then read the Rashi, Rabad (Torat Kohanim 19), Yoma (23a), Arachin (16b) and Sanhedrin (73a).

Avraham, who gives a flying wet one that you can copy and paste the names of the sections in the Shulchan Aruch that you probably had ready from the wiki-entry. Any fool can do that. Uou've just proved it.

telegramsam
re: 4 November, 2010 - 10:12

Let us assume that the above is correct. Does it equate with the Iranian and North Korean regimes?
If it doesn't, are you not once again posting "out-and-out anti Israel bile"?

I don't get involved in discussions with people who haven't got the guts to sign their names, or who hate Israel.

In other words, Avraham, you've been shown up again. It happens with alarming regularity, doesn't it? Do you stand in front of the mirror and go: "D'oh"? I imagine you do. Read the text and show me hatred for Israel? Go on, just for some intellectual honesty.

Coward. You wouldn't dare spew all your hatred over your puny signature.

Avraham, grow up. You have been shown up again, even in your lack of Jewish knowledge. Show me where there was hatred. Otherwise, go back to your little pathetic hatefest website.

tsam

The very title of this "piece" is an expression of hatred. It is also a lie.

tsam, the silly shenanigans regarding a plate of hummus and chess game are hardly government policy, or reflective of its leaders - and nor are these events reflective of Israel itself. Why do the actions of a few people engaged in silly record breaking entertainments represent the whole country? Unless of course you think Israelis should only engage in activities which you personally approve.

The chess game, Amber, had government approval. And one of the participants and organisers was Natan Sharansky, the head of the quasi-governmental Jewish Agency. The Hummus plate game was trumpted by Israel, through its government agencies, as a great triumph. So, Amber, where's the hatred?

As I've said before, t'sam is like the proverbial curate's egg - good in parts.

I've never had a curate's egg, so I wouldn't know.

tscum: "Avraham, grow up. You have been shown up again, even in your lack of Jewish knowledge."

_I've_ been shown up in lack of Jewish Knowledge? Liar: quote where. Ignoramus, probably a Reform Jew, quotes a few verses and thinks he's a rabbi ... ha! ha! ha!

I bet Moshe had a scotch one!

You've no idea, Avraham, have you? Absolutely not a scoobie. Totally shown up for a lack of knowledge. Dome up like a schmaltz herring. I gave you chapter and verse, and still you come back for more. You sure are a glutton for punishment. Now run away and play with your pathetic, paranoid, fear-filled site. (And don't forget to attack JC staff and call for an advertising boycott, as per usual).

Sorry, Yvetta, that was way over my head.

In the city of granite, when he worked therein.

Huh?

Mind you, I do agree that the "rising generation" (as they were wont to be called) of the People of the Book should have book learning thoroughly instilled into them.
Not all Reform Jews are Jewishly illiterate. Nor, as I reckon I've demonstrated on occasion, are they all lefties politically.

Your - er - ideological and stylistic doppelganger MosheTsafarti, a regular here at one time, worked on an oil rig off the coast of Aberdeen.

tsam ,it is extremely stupid to start equations between Israel and North Korea and Iran. It displays no sense of perspective, and is a classic example of moral relativism. It is also yet another gift to those who simply hate Jews and Israel.

Try to be a bit more prudent.

Yvetta, someone called Moshe? Working on an oil rig? Off Aberdeen? I don't think so. Also, having found some of his jottings I don't see how he could be my ideological doppelganger. He was a rabid anti-Zionist, an Israeli or ex-Israeli. Whereas I am not on both/all counts.

Very good point you make about Reform Jews, Yvetta. It's probably because many Reform Jews don't accept as axiomatic everything that was written that they delve more into Judaism to enhance their knowledge. Orthodox Jews seem to take things for granted and some tend to have a superiority complex which blows up in their faces (mixed metaphor?) when confronted by a knowledgeable Conservative, secular or Reform Jew

Amber, I don't care what those who simply hate Jews or Israel think. Whatever I saw, do or write won't make a jot of difference. I care what Israel does.

Tsam, you should care. They are winning. If they win, there will be no Israel to care about at all.

Amber, they are not winning and Israel is old enough and ugly enough to look after itself.

tsa, if you don't think they're winning, you're living in a fool's paradise.

We don't have that luxury. All the haters like such moral relativism - and it is intellectually lazy to engage in it.

Finally the sick liar gave himself away, by using the term 'scoobie'.

The only time it was ever used here or elsewhere was by the homosexual moshetzarfati2.

Nailed.

T'sam, he was not rabidly anti-Zionist. He was a very leftwing Zionist, who like yourself held that Israel's present policies are unconscionable and self-defeating.

Er - he was also a pain in the tuches, but I kinda liked him ;~]

Scoobie is your evidence? It's rhyming slang and in common usage. You might as well say that he addressed as Avraham. You really are the homer Simpson of this blog. Now run back to your pathetic little hate site and don't forget to call Jc staff all sorts of nasty things and term the editor a kapo. Here's another rhyming slang for you: berk.

The jewishly Ignorant Avraham is posting his abuse now only coz he thinks (if that's the right word) he can get away with it in the out of office hours absence of moderators. He wants to be martyred but the moderators should deny him this so that he continues to show himself up. To be honest tho it is getting a bit tiresome doing him up like a kipper every time he shows his lack of basic Judaic knowledge.

What's the reference to "scoobie"? What does it mean?

'doing him up like a kipper every time "

We've heard that one about 800 times. Any chance of something new?

tsam writes;

"I care what Israel does."

Now that sounds like a self-righteous Jew! Messianic. Wandering around the supermarket. "Follow me to the vegan section!"

Muttering to himself... "Obama, Obama. I love you."

Tsam,

All your " Israel is Iran" crap was bad enough. Deeply offensive.

But now, we have to stomach... "I care what Israel does." Please, don't do that to us. It is unconscionable. And btw, you have no followers. Only The Brit.

Anthony, you really should not be posting here after your antisemitic outburst about the supposed power of American Jews.
BTW, how can I be a vegan if I quite enjoyed my duck confit, partridge with mustard mash and strudel and ice cream last night? I heartily recommend Hardy's restaurant in Marylebone. Look before you leap.

And Anthony, what is this? The playground? Why don't you go and play with your pathetic Jewishly ignorant friend Avraham? You are both equally immature.

So you're not a vegan. And you eat at fancy places. Mazaltov etc.

But you are a self-righteous Jew. And in my book, that's worse than a vegan.

As for the power of American Jews... I've written what I think about Dershowitz and David Harris.

Ah, you don't like the label... "self-righteous Jew" ?

But that is what you are.

Oh dear, Anthony, the veneer of niceness has suddenly slipped. You are using the terminology of the antisemites to justify your disgraceful views about American Jews. You are no better than those who claim a Jewish lobby runs America. What does that make you?

I've done you up like a kipper. Oh yes.