How Can We Clone Cliona?

http://dublin.mfa.gov.il/mfm/Data/184077.pdf

Cliona's terrific article about Sarel

What a wonderful ambassador she is for Israel - and such a talented writer. She's a brave girl, who's had death threats. Wish we could clone her.

Thanks Yvetta - I changed the title ...

So now you have a new poster girl, out of 4.5 million people in Ireland there had to be at least 1 poor misguided soul. As she loves Israel soooo much I wonder if one day she decided to emigrate? Would she be welcomed with open arms and given citizenship? Hmmm small problem there. What about the 'Palestinians' does she know who they are, if they exist? She doesn't mention them in her article. Does she know as a 19 yr old she would be enforcing a brutal occupation if she were in the IDF? I hope one day she will wake up and see there is another side to this very one sided conflict and use those writing skills to tell the world about it.

Her courage in the face of such animosity in her own country is truly inspiring.

Just when you you are being overwhelmed by weltschmerz along comes someone like Cliona and you believe again that there is still hope.

In reply to Zair, yes it's a crying shame that the Palestinians don't have any nice, reasonable, constructive advocates like Cliona. It's a shame they are represented by bigots and Jew haters around the world. Otherwise things might progress.

You clone cliona by not being hysterical and by not standing with the likes of EDL/BNP. You also ensure that israel acts according to sensible policies and you support those policies. Friends give critical support, not blank cheques.
Anyway back to the cricket after a lovely tea. Damn there goes Pietersen.

There speaks the man who never supports the pro-Ahava demo but prefers to watch football; who has done nothing to combat the BNP for 33 years; and who presumes to have an opinion on the ZF when he is not even a member.

An anonymous armchair nothing, in other words.

The pro-ahava demo is a mere self-promotional gimmick of the current zf leadership. The shame is that the zf leadership has picked up dodgy bedfellows. You know what they say about going to sleep with dogs.
The abuse remains laughable.
And I am a fully paid up member of a zf affiliate. In fact it's one of the biggest affiliates.
Damn England are collapsing almost as quickly as the zf leadership.

"The pro-ahava demo is a mere self-promotional gimmick of the current zf leadership"

Says it all. One of those numbskulls who poo-poos anything they didn't think of themself, regardless of the intrinsic worth of the idea.

Pathetic.

Intrinsic worth? WhT would that be, getting the EDL/BNP to join you (which was entirely predictable) or drawing so much attention to the place that neighbouring shops want it shut down or people are put off from buying there? Or perhaps it's getting Camden to look at the labelling. With friends like those demonstrating israel really doesn't need any enemies.
What was it David israel said about young people being turned off communal projects? Well done, Jonathan. Ksat sechel, bevakashah.

The problem is that you have become the story (or was that your intention?) not the anti-Zionist atmosphere.

What a terrific article by a very brave young lady Cliona Campbell.
What is appalling is that she has had to put up with ignorant abuse back home in Ireland, but unfortunately it is just symptomatic of the trendy-lefty, 2-digit IQ, Israel bashers that seem to crawl out of the wood-work.
Well done and thank you to Cliona Campbell.

As opposed to the ignorant abuse below the line here by the ahava 4 (or is that 5?), eh Jon I Cohen.?

Cliona Campbell is truly a wonderful person. Fortunately she's not the only one of her kind here on the island.

How refreshing when one compares this to "trap door in a canoe" Telegram Sam.

Good Shabbos folks (and enjoy the footy, Sam).

Sam

It's important to appreciate the unexpected extra benefits of the pro Ahava demo. For instance ,every two weeks I exit the shop having purchased another gift for my wife . The sight of me holding up an Ahava bag has a remarkable effect on the antis on the other side of the barrier. I can only compare it to those old Christopher Lee vampire films where the vampires are confronted by a crucifix and go into a writhing mass before slinking back into the shadows. In fact one of the vampires, a certain Deborah Fink tried to snatch it from me last Saturday but failed as she recoiled having undergone that certain crucifix moment .

All good fun except my wife is convinced I'm hiding something given all the wonderful gifts she keeps on receiving . I will have to call on one of the good guys to video next time.

Scam

Make it the Ahava 6 please .

Ok ahava 6, including roberta Moore and the EDL's Croydon division.

Read David israel, Jonathan, and learn.

Scam

EDL are entitled to stand where they want and support who they want. That is one of the benefits of living in a democracy unlike the the rag tag brigade of fascists and antisemites who worship their Hamas paymasters.

EDL are neither invited or encouraged . Perhaps you should be applying your powers of forensic examination to reveal the rascist make up of the PSC /ISM that filthy the street outside Ahava every other week.

So, anyone prepared to take up the points I made earlier? Just to recap:

1. What if she wanted to emigrate to Israel?
2. No mention of Palestinians in her article
3. Looking at the article again I would say she needs to work on providing some balance to her views unless of course she wants to spend the rest of her life blogging for, Harrys Place, CifWatch etc etc etc.

Wasn't encouraged or invited, perhaps. But welcomed nonetheless and disowned only when the self-seeking ahava demonstrators copped flak from the community.
I've written it before but I'll type it slowly now: EDL/BNP are the same kind of scum as the Hamas/hizb proxies.

Zair

You appear to have lost your way . Islam on line comes before JC in your favourites . Or better still try MPAC where you will feel equally at home.

Zair, every country has its own immigration policy, so your first question is irrelevant. Also, she hasn't indicated that she wants to live in israel, but if she did there are mechanisms that would allow it.
The piece was about one aspect of Israeli life and believe it or not, the Palestinians sometimes don't feature, just like the scots, welsh or northern Irish don't impinge on all aspects of English life.
May be in a follow up piece she'll look at the plight of Israeli Arabs.

'What about the 'Palestinians' does she know who they are, if they exist?'

In Cork?

Are you kidding?

She probably gets it all the time. There are scarcely any Jews left there to put the Israeli side of things.

Irish cultural Christians tend to side with their fellow Palestinian Christians and, by extension, Muslims.

There are very few to put the Jewish side of things. Cliona is well and truly in a minority, don't worry. That is why she wanted to find out for herself, instead of taking what was force fed her from all sides.

' I would say she needs to work on providing some balance to her views'

When are Cork or Ireland PSC going to provide balance to their views? Like that Zionism has any legitimacy, and the Jews are entitled to a nation state in the land whence most of Christendom and Islam has held them dispossessed for most of Christian and Islamic history, even as Irish and Palestinian Arab Christians and Muslims are entitled to a state in theirs?

Cork PSC is one of the most rabidly anti-Zionist of all Irish PSC chapters.

BTW, anyone remember Irish right of return/fast track to citizenship by virtue of one's ancestry?

And why is Zair going on about Cliona emigrating? How many of Cork PSC plan on emigrating to a Palestine, now or in the future?

telegramsam, give it a rest - you're like a stalker.

Zair, spread your moronic drivel somewhere else.

@telegramsam
'every country has its own immigration policy'
Yes but I was talking about Israeli immigration, can we stick to that?

'The piece was about one aspect of Israeli life and believe it or not, the Palestinians sometimes don't feature, just like the scots, welsh or northern Irish don't impinge on all aspects of English life.'
Whaaaaat? Are you kidding? We are talking about the IDF here, England does not occupy Scotland, Wales or NI anymore.

'May be in a follow up piece she'll look at the plight of Israeli Arabs'
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt - be sure to post it here if she does JH.

@amber
'Zair, spread your moronic drivel somewhere else.'

The truth is hard to accept sometimes, doesn't really help your case when you come out with statements like this.

Well, Jonathan-there are far more brave young Israeli girls on her- and call me biased if you like- but they are very pretty too!

http://december18th.org/

Nice one Inky-Flag

Inky flag and zair think it is right that no-one defends the Jewish state from a genocidal maniac in Tehran, and his proxies in Hizbollah, dHamas, two organizations which advocate the extermination of the Jews entirely.

Here we have a non-Jewish young woman who think it is important to defend Israel, and puts her neck on the linbe to do so (she has suffered abuse and threats).

Puts you two self-congratulatory clowns in the shade.

Why do the Jc blogs entertain such knee jerk Israel bashing idiots as zair and inky flag?

Of course these tow have nothing to say about the hate campaign facing Ms Campbell, demonstrative of the irrationality and visceral hatred amongst those who denigrate Israel. Shameful.

Very interesting website, Inky Flag, thanks for sharing.

I don't know about you, Zair, but Irish and Cork PSC have a problem with the very existence of a Jewish nation state, never mind an army to defend and preserve it.

In my view, that makes them racist and discriminatory. They claim to support self-determination for all peoples. That clearly does not include Jews.

Clearly neither you nor they have a problem with the fact or idea of an Irish or Palestinian Arab nation state, with their armies, with two respective rights of return.

Cliona decided to hear and experience what those young people representative of that Jewish nation state have to say about it, from their side.

She clearly isn't going to get that from you, Zair, or Inkflag. Neither from those doubtless sincere but unrepresentative 18 year olds.

Raymond Deane condemned Ireland for not communicating with Hamas for its non-recognition of Israel, ever, on the grounds that it represented most Gazans.

You cannot then condemn Cliona for wanting to learn what Israelis think and experience, representatively.

It's not as if Cork is short of people putting the Palestinian nationalist side of things.

1. If Cliona wanted to emigrate to Israel we would welcome her with open arms, she is a "righteous gentile".
2. Why should she mention Palestinians in her article? Her article is about the positives, not the negatives of Palestinian terrorism since the concept of "Palestinian" was dreamt up by Yasser Arafat and Abu Mazen in 1964.
3.Her article is perfectly balanced and gives a refreshing change compared to reading the anti-Israel drivel, posted by the 2-digit IQ, useful idiots, deborahmaccoby,d leigh-ellis, zair,inkyflag, telegramscum, that blog on this web site.

DLeigh-Ellis, why is it interesting? Do you think it's good that Jews don't defend themselves?

I wonder if there is any such movement in Syria, Iran, or amongst Hamas and Hizbollah?

I mean, obviously the problem is with the Jews, not these other democratic, freedom loving peaceful entities.

Amber Question.
Why do the Jc blogs entertain such knee jerk Israel bashing idiots as zair and inky flag?

Answer.
At the beginning of the last century Michael Davitt wrote about the Russian pogroms of the Jews for the JC.
As he had lost one hand ee was helped by a young Russian Jewish emigree called Eleanor whose father Karl Marx shared many of the ideals of Davitt.

The JC in the old days was never a mouthpiece for just one section of opinion and I hope that the present Editorial Board will soon regain the respect and standing that it deserves and owes to the talented and decent community it aspires to serve. Michael Davitt deserves no less.

Michael Davitt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Davitt

Jonathan,
This young lady, Ms Goldman, is teh daughter of a former deputy head of The Mossad. She is an admirrable young lady.

Name: Omer Goldman
Age: 19
Location: Tel-Aviv
Why I am one of the Shministim:
“I believe in service to the society I am part of, and that is precisely why I refuse to take part in the war crimes committed by my country. Violence will not bring any kind of solution, and I shall not commit violence, come what may.”
First Sentence: 22nd Sept. - 10th Oct. 2008 (18 days)
Second Sentence: 12th - 24th Oct. 2008 (10 days)

Omer Goldman, has had to confront the values of her own family. She is the daughter of the former deputy head of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service and who is still considered one of the most powerful men in the Israeli security system. Omer, without her father’s permission visited a Palestinian town in the West Bank and at a check-point, alongside Palestinians, her supposed enemies, was fired upon by Israeli soldiers, “We were sitting by the roadside talking and soldiers came along and after a few seconds they received an order and fired gas grenades and rubber bullets at us. Then it struck me, to my astonishment, that the soldiers were following an order without thinking. For the first time in my life, an Israeli soldier raised his weapon and fired at me.”

Although, not surprisingly, her father does not support her decision to refuse, he still supports her as a daughter. “He and I have very similar characters. I, too, fight to the end for what I believe in. But we are opposites ideologically.”

In her declaration of refusal she stated:

“I refuse to enlist in the Israeli military. I shall not be part of an army that needlessly implements a violent policy and violates the most basic human rights on a daily basis.

Like most of my peers, I too have not dared to question the ethics of the Israeli military. But when I visited the Occupied Territories I realized I see a completely different reality, a violent, oppressive, extreme reality that must be ended.

I believe in service to the society I am part of, and that is precisely why I refuse to take part in the war crimes committed by my country. Violence will not bring any kind of solution, and I shall not commit violence, come what may. “

Thanks zair and DLeigh-Ellis,

I hope you have time to read the testimony of the wonderful Miss Goldman above-Israel should be very proud of her.

I met the equally brave Miss Or Be-David when she came to London a few months ago. Intelligent, articulate and another credit to Israel. There is hope yet for Israel when the country can produce such independent minds.

Excellent interview here guys with the wonderful Ms Goldman- very articulate, intelligent and all spoken with that wonderful accent -eat your heart out Jonathan- this is the future!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33xEl3T6GGo

'I hope you have time to read the testimony of the wonderful Miss Goldman above-Israel should be very proud of her.'

Fortunately Israel in general is not remotely interested what ignorant and prejudiced in Golders Green such as ye "think" of the matter :)

What Israel in general thinks is something with which Cliona is much more familiar.

Strange - or perhaps not - how this admirable young lady, Cliona, has got so many Y-fronts in a twist!

Funnily enough Amber, I think that there are other ways of securing ones future than simply joining the army and maintaining the status-quo.

It's always good if you want to train a population to follow orders tho, I can see why you might be into it.

Also, many of these individuals have not refused to 'defend Israel,' they have refused to serve in the occupied territories, which much as you may wish to believe it, are not entirely one and the same thing.

You're off-topic.

This is a thread about Cliona Cmpbell in Cork. It is not a thread about conscientious objectors in Israel.

If that is what you want to discuss, then start your own thread - as opposed to hijacking mine.

Yeah, coz you have certainly never 'hijacked' a thread Jonathan, or brought up something irrelevent to prove a point.

jonathan, it's not off-topic … your blog is in praise of someone serving in the idf who doesn't have to

a discussion of whether that is praiseworthy, and if so how much, is certainly entitled to include comparison with the praiseworthiness of someone refusing to serve in the idf who does have to