Has Mick Davis been vindicated?

Why this hang up on the word legitimate which causes such angst about deligitamisation ? Nation States exist as a matter of fact not as a matter of right, and they are temporal phenomena and nothing temporal is forever otherwise it wouldnt be temporal it would be eternal. Israel is a fact. If you complained about attempts to defactualise Israel that would make some sense and we could deal with it.

This childish delegitamisation whine is very trying.

samsimonson did not understand that the creation of the UN changed something in History. Not having had a decent education doesn't help, on the other hand.
Well, the UN legitimises new countries as they are accepted as members. Maybe you did not follow, but some Arab countries want Israel to be expelled from UN... The logical end of the delegitimisation campaign and they revealed thus their final goal.
This would mean that Israel could be attacked in full might by some Muslim countries without risking much in the UN votes.
Besides, delegitimisation being based on racism, this is not something to be overlooked. Hate speech brings war and misery.

samsimonson doesn't care and is tired of it.

No

Mr Davis should take on-board very carefully what HE Ron Prossor has said, and duly resign from his (un-elected) posts with both the UJIA and the JLC.
Neither organisation should be used as a platform for a personal political agenda, both organisations have now been called into disrepute.

" jose " The State of Israel was declared and subsequently recognised by most of the world outside of the middle east and by the Un and admitted to membership. The Stae of Israel is a fact that is almost universally accepted.Other states have come into being in the same way.

States are matters of fact that are accepted " recognised " to larger or lesser degrees.

There is no delegitimisation campaign worth mentioning, in this context it's a made up red herring kind of word the purpose of which is to keep attention away from the real issue. The occupation stupid. There are of course some one staters and even a few no staters but the vast vast majority of people simply want two states living peacably side by side along the pre 67 borders with Jerusalem as a shared capital.

Please name these Arab states that want Israel expelled from the UN. Syria ? I doubt it and I can think of no other candidates.

You tell us that it is Un recognition that legitimises Israel but on another blog you tell us that Israel has no frontiers. So the UN " legitimises " a borderless state. That is pretty incoherent even by your standards " jose ".

T6he frontiers of Israel are plenty clear enough, except perhaps to those too poor or too lazy to go by an Atlas

" jose " The State of Israel was declared and subsequently recognised by most of the world outside of the middle east and by the Un and admitted to membership. The Stae of Israel is a fact that is almost universally accepted.Other states have come into being in the same way.

Again, samsimonson shows his comprehension impairment. A vote today on the existence of Israel would probably not be voted because of the many Muslim dictatorships and other dictatorships such as Cuba, Venezuela, etc.
If Israel's existence is not at stake, why haven't any of the Muslim dictatorship recognized it? It doesn't matter that they do it, according to samsimonson, because whatever they do Israel will remain there 'forever'. So, what are they waiting for? Isn't it much simpler to recognize Israel and to avoid showing the world that they want to destroy it?

Further obfscating by samsimonson: Israel has obviously borders. It has a border with Lebanon (disputed on some places but mostly agreed). It also has a border with Jordan and Egypt, for which there is no dispute.
It is mostly with 'Palestinians' and Syrians that there is a dispute, and the fact is that the dispute is not going to vanish, just because 'Palestinians' and Syrians don't want to negociate.

samsimonson has the blattant chutzpah (something very strange for an antisemite) to pretend that he doesn't see anyone else than Syria who could want to expel Israel from the UN.
Of course, Iran is such a big friend of Israel, albeit sometimes critical... Turkey has already asked, during the Gaza retaliation to ban Israel from the UN. Such a good friend of the Jewish people, that Erdogan!
And of course, there are the other 19 Muslim countries, who are pushing the delegitimation propaganda too.
Of course, while Security Council members will veto the resolution, there will be no action taken. But it does not mean the haters will not try.

The above comments are going off topic.
Re-read the title of the blog, and then read what the Israeli ambassador to the UK has to say about Mr Davis, and NO Mr Davis has NOT been vindicated, quite the opposite.

http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/42098/mick-davis-using-our-opponents-l...

oh dear time to go back to primary school joseanth

psssttt neither the Turks nor the Iranians are Arabs

Further the Turkish " narrative " is that they regarded themselves as friends of Israel,as having a special relationship with Israel in the region,shared strategic interests etc etc So much so they felt themselves well placed to try to broker a peace deal between Israel and Syria.

Then along came cast lead and the Turks felt they had been used and betrayed , kicked in the goolies.Cast lead they saw as a clear indication of Israeli insincerity and duplicity.Consequently they began to rethink the relationship. So Israel edged a little closer to having only one friend in the world.What a gamble that is.That what pertains today will always be so.America will always be America,the poliicy makers will always follow the money because thats where the political donations are. What when the powers that be conclude that acting as Ireals ever patient all forgiving and understanding daddy isen't where the money is ? And Israel has no plan B.( suggested plan B make more friends )

The Turkish narrative may be how it is and it may not be. But whichever way the idea that Turkey is part of a conspiracy to drive Israel out of UN membership is laughable

I guess being paranoid is what paranoids do best

simonson

Why doesn't Israel feel betrayed by Turkish bombing of Kurdish villages, killing hundreds of civilians? Or Turksih assistance to Syria's military in committing its own genocide against the Kurds? The cozying up to Iran predated Cast Lead.

So don't give us that claptrap.

Further the Turkish " narrative " is that they regarded themselves as friends of Israel

How many episodes have you missed recently?

You confused prime time news and Alice in Wonderland.

But whichever way the idea that Turkey is part of a conspiracy to drive Israel out of UN membership is laughable

Sure! See:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/16/turkeys-erdogan-israel-sh_n_158...

That was in January 2009, that is before the Mavi Marmara trap set up by Erdogan's party. So we know that you aze at least two years late, informationwise. Please go out of the matrix and welcome to the real world.

Another news that you missed re the old friends of Israel:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405270230359120457516998016951841...

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan described Israel as "the principal threat to peace" in the Middle East.

Not Iran, as the rest of the world would say, Israel!

As the French say: "Protect my from my friends, I'll take care of my enemies!"