Hamas at SOAS: "No peace"


By richmillett
February 10, 2010
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Tonight was a sad night at SOAS, one of the finest Universities in the world. The Islamic Society held a meeting to attack, undermine and insinuate the most awful things about Israel and Zionism.

Speaking were Ben White who said Israel is worse than apartheid South Africa. His premise was that at least the whites in South Africa didn't want the blacks to disappear as they needed them for work and to earn a living.

Azam Tamimi was repeating the old lie about how the Zionists came over and threw his family out of their homes in Haifa and Ber Sheba: "The Zionists should admit they were wrong to come over from Poland and Russia etc. and to steal our land."

Having listened to an hour of unopposed propaganda lapped up by a naive student audience (and some adults) it was time for the Q&A. Unusually, there were more than the usual people in the audience who put tough questions to White and Tamimi.

As usual getting an appropriate answer was not so easy. But I asked Tamimi whether he wanted peace.

"I don't want peace, I want justice," he replied. Now isn't that so telling. The whole world wants peace but Tamimi just wants justice.

Various parts of the political establishment suggest that we should talk to Hamas as it was democratically elected. But they make excuses for Hamas that even Hamas doesn't ask for.

Tamimi is a self-declared representative of Hamas and if he says Hamas doesn't want peace then who am I to argue with him? You heard it from the horse's mouth.

Well, the whole world wants justice but it just isn't going to happen.

Tamimi left the room to huge applause ringing in his ears while waving around the V sign to the room.

Who knows how many of the students there to hear White and Tamimi will become radicalised. Ed Husain described in The Islamist how Bosnia was used to radicalise London's Muslim students until another student ended up being killed because of all the hatred.

Ten years on it is Israel that is being used to the same end and it can only end up in more tragedy as total revisionists like White and Tamimi continue to sow the seeds of hatred in the minds of the easily influenced teenagers in the audience.

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zachary esterson

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 01:45

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Thanks for this.


zachary esterson

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 01:46

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zachary esterson

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 01:53

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"Why do the Jews think they are superhuman? Is G-d a racist?"

Jonathan, did Tamimi +really+ say this, exactly?

If true, how does White justify his sharing a platform with a racist, given he tried to ban Benny Morris on precisely those grounds?


zachary esterson

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 02:17

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Radicalisation sells White more books. He's riding the wave.


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 09:23

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White last week succeeded in getting Benny Morris cancelled by the Cambridge Israel Society for Islamophobia.

Yet last night he was one of the two speakers at a profoundly antisemitic meeting

What utter hypocrisy


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 09:29

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Great activism by the other three, they didn't like us one bit

Tamimi:

- If it was right that the French resisted the Nazis then it's right that the Palestinians 'resist' Israel
- Hamas a much better alternative
- If fighting for my land is terrorism then I take pride in being a terrorist
- Our people will continue to struggle until israel is no more
- Zionists use the Bible to justify oppression
- Jews and Muslims lived happily together for 14 centuries
- Why do the Jews think they are superhuman? Is G-d a racist?
- I am more Semite than any Jew in the world
- It's the Zionist Lobby that wants to prevent free speech


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 09:32

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Ben White - usual lies, misquotations and revisionism - see:

http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/lies-damn-lies-and-the-apartheid-analogy/


Yvetta

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 09:51

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The best commentary on this kind of thing I've seen recently is by Anthony Julius - posted on the JC 4 Feb. It shows so well how anti-Zionism is a manifestation of antisemitism, and Ben White seems to me to be so fanatical in his anti-Israeli views that he has crossed the line.


richmillett

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 10:26

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It is a shame White isn't as fanatical about other issues in the world: the Kurds, Darfur, child starvation in Africa etc. I would love to know what has made him concentrate on the Jewish state. It would be so interesting.


Harvey

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 11:52

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There was no point engaging with Tammimi and his "one Islamic state from the river to the sea" solution.

Instead I asked White why the Palestinians failed to declare statehood at any time between 1948 to 1967 when Israel was not present in the West Bank and why any Israeli should believe a withdrawl from the West Bank would lead to a genuine and irrevocable peace accord when Gaza prove otherwise.
White was quite evasive and in failing to respond to my direct question made it readily apparent that he is firmly in the same camp as Tammimi ie a one state solution and an Islamic one at that.

The thing that struck me most was the lack of input and question from the audience.It makes you realise just how easy it is to manipulate and indoctrinate an unquestioning mindset.


zachary esterson

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:04

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Harvey,

since publishing his book last year, White has said he favours a two state solution. But, in late 2007, he was writing this:

To say that the "one-state solution" is impractical or equals the "destruction" of Israel is poorly concealed code for defending the indefensible and a recipe for continual conflict in a land it is impossible to partition. It is to maintain, against the odds, the Zionist fiction that Palestine was a land without a people for a people without a land. It is to entertain the fantasy that the occupied territories so comprehensively colonized by Israel can become a "Palestinian state" which isn’t apartheid in name only.

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article9097.shtml


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:13

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The problem is, Harvey and Zachary, that Hamas, Kaboom-Tamimi, White etc have their work made easier by the actions of successive Israeli governments. These continue to colonise the West Bank leading to a situation where Israel in effect controls a non-Jewish majority.


Yvetta

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:30

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To say nothing of the demographic time bomb that Israel faces in hanging onto those places, Moshe.


Yvetta

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 12:32

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White seems rather young to have made his mark so speedily. I wonder what his background is.


zachary esterson

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 13:20

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'The problem is, Harvey and Zachary, that Hamas, Kaboom-Tamimi, White etc have their work made easier by the actions of successive Israeli governments. '

No doubt, Moshe.

But such Israeli governments have their work made easier by the stances of such as White and Tamimi that take exception to Zionism and its fruit, the Jewish or any kind of state of Israel, in the first place.

Tamimi's rather was a 'resistance' fighter in Mandate Hebron. We also know what the Palestinian nationalist 'resistance' looked like in Hebron.


zachary esterson

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 13:20

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'I would love to know what has made him concentrate on the Jewish state. It would be so interesting'

Ben White is the son of an evangelical Anglican minister. He's been into pro-Palestinian activism since his late teens, and either set up or helped run the Cambridge U Pal Soc (he graduated 2005).

He has a degree in English Literature and Language. Now he tours the UK and North America giving lectures on Israeli history (as you saw), selling his book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Israeli-Apartheid-Beginners-Ben-White/dp/0745328...

I have read it and keep meaning to review it. I'm just busy on the PhD at the mo. But briefly, it adduces in its history of the conflict every threat and attrocity of Zionist, Palestinian and Israeli Jews against Palestinian Muslims and Christians, but absolutely none, and I mean NONE, of the converse. Curiously, in his narrative of the conflict, while Zionist, Palestinian and Israeli Jews are often named, no single Palestinian is. While White characterises Zionism, the Jewish nationalist movement as 'racist', he never mentions, let alone critiques, a Palestinian nationalist movement, least of all its first leader, Haj Amin Al Husseini.

He also, quite literally, asserts that only a few 'individuals' have been racist or prejudiced.

Don't get me wrong: he does catalog the inequalities and injustices, as he sees it, of Israeli society against Israeli Arab Muslims and Christians. But he does so on the basis of the fundamental injustice of portraying the I-P conflict as I have said above.

He has regularly visited the OT on summer vacation.

Clearly pro-Palestinian activism has become 'living' the gospel for him, combined with a kind of quasi-Marxist, revolutionary, Palestinian nationalist discourse i.e. he believes living Christianity, for him, consists in a kind of pro-Palestinian nationalism, which narrative he swallows and promulgates completely.

Israeli, Palestiian or Zionist Jews=North American European/Dutch Boer-Afrikaners, Palestinian Muslims and Christians=Native Americans/Black South Africans etc.

He professes non-violence, but, in fact, has written 'non-violence is the means, not the end'

electronicintifada.net/v2/article9036.shtml

i.e. when non-violence doesn't work, violence is ok or necessary to achieve the ends i.e. the end of Zionism, or the end of the Jewish state.

He has never accorded any justice or legitimacy to Zionism ever; he can't, or he'd lose support and sales among his target audience i.e. the people you saw last night, among others.

All this is extremely problematical for a professed Christian who has written elsewhere that he seeks a specifically Christian justice for the I-P conflict:

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/7038

From the beginning, Christian and Islamic tradition has held Jews to be a people dispossessed of temple, city and land as a punishment for their rejection of Jesus and the prophets i.e. Palestinian Muslims and Christians were perfectly happy to believe ethnic cleansing was justice for Jews.

This belief, among others, led to Jews being regarded, in the 19th and 20th centuries, as, not so much nationally European or Arab, rather 'Judean' i.e. metaphorically 'Palestinian'; with the result of most being either killed or effectively expelled: before 1914 mostly to America; after 1914 mostly to Palestine or what became Israel.

Which is why Israel is the second or largest Jewish community in the world today, and certainly the most obviously Jewish.

Ben White the Christian has hampered himself by claiming to seek Christian justice for the I-P conflict but failing to address that historical Christian reality for most of Christian history.

Which makes his sharing platforms with people like Azzam Tamimi all the more problematical.


zachary esterson

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 13:22

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*

He also, quite literally, asserts that only a few 'individual' PALESTINIANS have been racist or prejudiced.


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 13:41

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http://cifwatch.com/cif-contributors/ben-white/

@yvetta - White's 'background' ... he now lives in Cambridge. He was the ringleader of the pressure which cased the Israel Society to mistakenly cave in last week over Benny Morris.


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 13:43

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White's book is a farrago of falsehoods and misquotations, see my review

http://blog.z-word.com/2009/07/lies-damn-lies-and-the-apartheid-analogy/


Yvetta

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 14:12

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I wonder at what breast he took in the milk of Israel-hatred, so to speak, Jonathan? I wonder whether it was FO-inspired, for instance.
PS Aha! I've now seen Zachary's post above. Very revealing. Except that I wonder whether his clerical father is pro- or anti-Israel; if the former, it could have begun as a rebellion.


Jonathan Hoffman

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 14:54

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Yvetta please check your private message box


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 15:10

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I bet his father is none other than Andrew White.


Yvetta

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 16:13

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Thanks, Jonathan - the first billet doux I've ever received on here!


moshetzarfati2 (not verified)

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 16:21

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Oooo, missus, billet doux, noch


richmillett

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 17:22

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Moshe, White and Tamimi don't give a damn about the settlements. If it wasn't the settlements it would be something else. There are an unlimited amount of "injustices" they latch on to. But what they are really interested in is going back to 1948 and so they repeat the old lie about ethnic cleansing ad nauseam. They just want Israel gone/finished/end of. Even you, an intelligent man, are being taken in by their cunning game.


Yvetta

Wed, 02/10/2010 - 21:04

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Great article in JP today!
Confronting Jews who defame Jews
by Isi Leibler
February 10, 2010
Sorry - didn't know where else to post it.

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