Götterdämmerung, it's that Wagner


By telegramsam
November 16, 2010
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No, not the thing on X-factor, but the German composer, beloved of Hitler but reviled by Israel. He now has a fan club in Israel.
The fan club's head, Yonatan Livni said:

“The goals are first of all is to have an honest discussion about the boycott. I’m against any type of a boycott. If we were to boycott every composer who was anti-Semitic then there would be very few composers we would be able to hear in Israel.”

Livni, an attorney, told The Media Line that their efforts were also aimed at having a public concert of Wagner’s music.

“It will never be enough time. But the question is do we have to wait until get a certificate from someone who says that the last survivor has passed away?” asked Livni, who himself is a child of Holocaust survivors.

“My father used to say that Wagner was a horrible, terrible man, but he wrote the most beautiful music. We don’t listen to Wagner’s political views. What we do is listen to his music,” he said.

I've never quite got this boycott. Richard Strauss was no less of an anti-semite than Wagner, but his works are often played in Israel, where many people drive Mercs, BMWs and VWs and have Bosch or AEG washing-machines.

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Avraham Reiss

16 November, 2010 - 15:34

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nietzsche_contra_Wagner

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"Nietzsche contra Wagner" is a critical essay by Friedrich Nietzsche, written in his last year of lucidity (1888–1889). It was not published until 1895, six years after Nietzsche's mental collapse. In it Nietzsche describes why he parted ways with his one-time idol and friend, Richard Wagner. Nietzsche attacks Wagner's views in this short work, expressing disappointment and frustration in Wagner's life choices (such as his conversion to Christianity, perceived as a sign of weakness). Nietzsche evaluates Wagner's philosophy on tonality, music and art; he admires Wagner's power to emote and express himself, but largely disdains what Nietzsche calls his religious biases.

The work is significant for a number of reasons. It illustrates Nietzsche's evolution from a younger philosopher. It also gives the lie to those that would label Nietzsche as anti-Semitic, as is often alleged, and instead makes clear Nietzche's opposition to such ideas: "[Wagner] had condescended step by step to everything I despise — even to anti-Semitism."
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NOW do you understand?


amber

16 November, 2010 - 22:40

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tspam, that's nonsense about Richard Strauss. And although other composers may have been antisemites, none was appropriated by the Nazis in the same way, and neither can I name another composer's family who were such fervent Nazis as the Wagners. In other words, there is no parallel.

For my part, I distinguish between the artist and the man. But I fully understand why, In Israel, people are against the playing of Wagner, and the insensitivity of idiots quoted by you (and indeed by the phony scoundrel Barenboim)who seem not to care that they trample on the feelings of people who came out of the death camps.

Art is NOT the most important thing - other things are more important - like a victim's feelings.

You want to hear Wagner in Israel? Buy a CD.


jose (not verified)

17 November, 2010 - 04:49

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Nice try, telegramsam, but unconvincing. Answering the other half of you with the opposite opinion won't fool anyone.

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