Fundamentalism into the mainstream


By Peter Simon
August 22, 2010
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(Please don't anybody say or imply that somehow, because these people are Jewish, their murderous fundamentalism is OK - and that applies to you as well Jon Cohen!).

Fundamentalist rabbis have approved murder, attacks on Arabs, illegal land seizures and racist segregation, and have ignored the murder of a prime minister.

First, the daily lesson: "A soldier who takes part in the war against us, but does so only because he is forced to by threats, is an absolute villain .... We are referring to any sort of participation in the war: a combat soldier, a support soldier, civilian assistance or any form of encouragement and support." And: "Even if civilians are tied up or imprisoned and have no choice but to stay and serve as hostages, it is possible to kill them."

Also: "In discussions on the killing of infants and children ... it is reasonable to harm children if it is clear they will grow up to harm us. Under such circumstances they should be the ones targeted." And finally: "There is no need to discuss the question of who is and is not innocent, just as when we are defending against evil we do not hesitate to strike at limbs that were not actually used in actions against us."

These are quotes from the book "The King's Torah" ("Torat Hamelech" ) by rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur; it was published by Hamercaz Hatorani, near Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva. Many important rabbis have supported the two rabbis, and these quotes are part of the reason they are being investigated for suspected incitement and racism. Their refusal to be questioned allegedly was based on the fact that no one should be questioned or tried for his opinion.

In essence, their refusal places the law of the Torah above the law of the state. Rabbi Dov Lior, who backed the book, explained his opposition to their being interrogated as follows: "The harassment of the rabbis because of their halakhic views stands in direct opposition to the principles of freedom of religion and expression that are accepted by the state." Indeed, is it possible to accuse someone of hating gentiles? In a Jewish state?

Nothing new, so far. Fundamentalist rabbis have approved murder, attacks on Arabs and their property, the illegal takeover of land, racist segregation between Ashkenazi and Mizrahi female pupils, and have ignored (at least ) the murder of a prime minister. After all, the source of authority of those same rabbis, the book of books, is full of hair-raising descriptions of the vengeance exacted by the Children of Israel on the peoples of this land.

As for the humanity of "the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate Me," killer of the Egyptian firstborn, we can hold a seminar or two. Thumbing their noses at the law of the state is not an invention by Lior or similar rabbis. As far as disrespecting the law is concerned, Lior is an excellent pupil of Rabbi Moshe Levinger. Only naivete or pretending can explain the surprise at the spitting in the face of the police as they try to investigate the rabbis who provided a wall of defense to abomination.

What is new is that these are no longer "hilltop rabbis," "wild weeds" or "fence hoppers" who are turning their backs on the instructions of great rabbinical figures and the law. They and their supporters are transforming zealous fundamentalism and the shameful "The King's Torah "into the mainstream.

After all, what were the critics upset about? Not the content of the book some say they oppose ("of course I don't support it" ), but rather the state's audacity to undermine the freedom of expression of the source. No religious protest movement stood against the content; no one wrote a text to counter this Jewish Wahhabism. Suddenly, that same community that sanctifies rabbinical hierarchy, the absolute obedience to the rabbis, is shocked by this affront to freedom of expression.

But these fundamentalists, responsible for the training of tens of thousands of yeshiva students who become soldiers, wash their hands when their followers and students carry out the rabbis' orders. No rabbi has been tried for an illegal act by a civilian or soldier because of his teachings. After all, they are only tutors, and then "permission has been granted." In "properly functioning" states like Saudi Arabia or Egypt it has long been understood that the responsibility of a religious figure is no less than that of a terrorist. They arrest and imprison, exile or silence in different ways the preachers who raised generations of murderous zealots. Turkey removes from the military anyone who expresses excessive religious fervor.

In Israel, on the other hand, former chief military rabbi Avihai Rontzki initiated a meeting of intelligence soldiers with Rabbi Lior, the backbone of "The King's Torah." The following was said about the Israel Defense Forces' ethics code: "When there is a conflict between orders based on the ethics code and a halakhic instruction, of course one must follow halakha" - Jewish law. It's not incitement that's dangerous, but rather its transformation into the accepted and central form of discourse.

COMMENTS

Peter Simon

22 August, 2010 - 16:28

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I suppose the problem is partly what is one supposed to do when one is immersed from childhood in pre-medieval law which distinguishes between killing a Jew and killing a Gentile? While killing anybody is forbidden by Halakha, the murderer is punished by execution if he killed a Jew, but is only "punished by Heaven" if he killed a Noahide (e.g., a Muslim). Today you have rabbinic opinions that allow killing of Arabs, even innocents, that endanger Jewish control of the Land. They simply compare the importance of the various commandments and come to such conclusions. Rabin's assassination was also sanctioned by some according to Jewish law of "mosser". The settlers see no problem in burning down Arab crops, or uprooting their olive trees, just to get back at the IDF, and not for any wrong the Arabs committed. The Halakha was not updated much, certainly did not have a chance to evolve naturally under conditions of Jewish control over Gentiles. Since changes in it are extremely slow, it is best to override it wholesale, as was done in laws concerning financial issues, according to the ruling of "Dina d'malchuta dina", "the law of the land is valid." But I wonder how long it will take to also change the moral/ethical influence that goes with the outdated Halakha.


Jon_i_Cohen

22 August, 2010 - 16:37

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The writer seeks to justify his leftist propoganda with pseudo-intellectual, quasi-academic mumbo-jumbo.

In a nutshell, what he his saying is that it is perfectly OK for Arabs to terrorize and murder Jews, but it is NOT OK for Jews to defend themselves or to take pre-emptive action to deter terrorism.


Jonathan Hoffman

22 August, 2010 - 16:55

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You have no evidence at all that this is 'mainstream'

http://rabbisforisrael.weebly.com/

This is - on the other hand - 'mainstream'.


DLeigh-Ellis

22 August, 2010 - 17:20

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JiC, you are certainly the expert on 'pseudo-intellectual, quasi-academic mumbo-jumbo,' as you have demonstrated many times.

I don't think your reading is at all what Peter Simon is saying.


ibrows

22 August, 2010 - 18:36

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Jon and Jonathan are not interested in these realities or evidence, as these will only serve to undermine the one-dimensional world that they live in. In this constructed world 'Jews = always good' and anyone that is critical of Israeli state policies is construed as 'bad'.

You can't be much more narrow minded and fundamentalist than that, these notions of 'we' are always right, and any criticism is always 'automatically wrong' is fundamentalist.

Though to be fair, i consider neither Jon nor Jonathan 'mainstream'


ibrows

22 August, 2010 - 18:40

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great joke about your link being 'mainstream', next your be telling me CIFwatch is 'mainstream' and not a group that simply challenges and tries to undermine any criticism of Israel, regardless of whether it was legitimate or not.

If you wish to prove me wrong Jonathan, as i have challenged you before, then please accept even a small criticism of Israeli policies as a legitimate criticism

If you can't do this, then you prove my point once again, that your one-dimensional and fundamentalist


ibrows

22 August, 2010 - 18:44

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Jonathan your link talks about Israel's rights,

But it makes no mention of Palestinian right to freedom of movement in and out of Gaza? Nor does it mention Palestinians rights to their land, their right to not be subject to the Israeli occupation?

Are these rights not equally valid


Jonathan Hoffman

22 August, 2010 - 18:53

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I thought you were going to go to literacy classes? :

"We believe that any resolution of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict will require Israel to cede sovereignty over most of the West Bank and will need to address the aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians concerning Jerusalem, a city that is holy to three religions."


ibrows

22 August, 2010 - 19:04

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wow, thats radical, that they accept that 'most of the West Bank' is actually Palestinian land, what about ending the blockade of Gaza and dividing Jerusalem

what about Palestinians rights and the removal of settlements from the West Bank. Do you expect Palestinians to accept 'most of the West Bank'? When all the West Bank is Palestinian land


Jonathan Hoffman

22 August, 2010 - 19:09

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On Gaza:

"We recognize Israel's moral right to defend her citizens against attacks emanating from the Palestinian territories. To demand that Israel forgo the right to defend her citizens in order to improve the lot of the Palestinians, without the latter abandoning their call for violent resistance, is neither moral nor ethical. As such, we reject the moral equivalency that some would draw between the suffering of the Palestinians and the lasting psychological trauma not to mention literal endangerment of life with which Israelis have to contend."


happygoldfish

22 August, 2010 - 19:17

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far from being "mainstream", rabbis shapira and elitzur are about to be prosecuted for this book, according to "West Bank rabbi detained by police for inciting racism" by chaim levinson in haaretz two days ago …

The rabbi of a West Bank settlement was detained yesterday on suspicion of incitement to racism.

Rabbi Yosef Elitzur, from the settlement of Yitzhar, was detained by police and questioned by investigators from the international crimes unit on suspicions of incitement to racism.
Elitzur and Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira co-wrote the book "The King's Torah," which condones the murder of non-Jews if they threaten the welfare of Jews - citing Jewish law to support the argument.

"The King's Torah" was published in November; its preface states that it is forbidden to kill non-Jews, but the book then describes the context in which it is permitted to do so.
According to the book, it is permissible to kill a non-Jew who threatens Israel even if the person is classified as a Righteous Gentile. The book also says that any gentile who supports war against Israel can be killed.


ibrows

22 August, 2010 - 19:30

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Jonathan

This is a complete joke, that amounts to a collective punishment for Gazan's, plus it misleadingly associates all Palestinians with 'violent resistance', when in fact 99% of Palestinians are not engaged in 'violent resistance'.

Plus it states its alright for Palestinians to suffer in Gaza, as its nothing compared to the 'psychological trauma not to mention literal endangerment of life with which Israelis have to contend'.

This is disgraceful, Gazans are subjected to movement restrictions, an Israeli blockade has led to an economic collapse, ridiculously high food prices, and difficulties in accessing basic healthcare, Gaza has become like a prison, does this not amount to 'psycholoigcal trauma'?


ibrows

22 August, 2010 - 19:33

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In short then Jonatham according to this view Israel's rights to 'protection' can be used to justify the continued oppression and collective punishment of Gazan's

whatever happened to the Jewish moral code, or doesn't it extend beyond Jews


Yvetta

22 August, 2010 - 20:29

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What complete and utter crap - go to the Guardian to post your incitements to judeophobia, Peter and ibrows.


Joshua18

22 August, 2010 - 22:26

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Oh, do excuse me. I had intended to go to the Jewish Chronicle, but somehow I ended up at Stormfront. Sorry once again.

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ibrows

22 August, 2010 - 23:00

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Yvetta

discussing Palestinians rights is not 'judeophobia' except to a fundamentalist who will simply dismiss any criticism of Israeli policies without examining the evidence.


Jon_i_Cohen

23 August, 2010 - 07:24

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Palestinian "rights" can be discussed elsewhere, e.g. Stormfront
Palestinian National Telegraph
The Guardian
and the endless proliferation of Muslim Web sites and trendy-lefty anti-israel sites that exist out there in cyber space
- but NOT on the Jewish Chronicle web-site.
We really have had enough of this web site being hijacked by anti-semitic, de-legitimisers like Peter Simon, ibrows,D Leigh-Ellis and their like.


Yvetta

23 August, 2010 - 09:03

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It's truly despicable how this kind of judeophobic incitement is allowed here while certain other posters have been given their marching orders.


Anonymous

23 August, 2010 - 09:35

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