Frankie Boyle: Israel "terrorist"


By JLCohen
May 2, 2010
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Frankie Boyle - no stranger to controversy with his briefly-funny-but-becoming-tiresome brand of shock humour - is in the headlines after claiming that Israel is a terrorist state in a response to the BBC's decision to apologise for a joke the Scottish comedian made in which he claimed to be learning an Israeli martial art - "I know sixteen ways to kick a Palestinian woman in the back," he said.

In his response, he states that "The situation in Palestine seems to be, in essence, apartheid. I grew up with the anti-apartheid thing being a huge focus of debate. It really seemed to matter to everybody that other human beings were being treated in that way. We didn’t just talk about it, we did things, I remember boycotts and marches and demos all being held because we couldn’t bear that people were being treated like that." He also mentioned the BBC 2009 decision not to broadcast a humanitarian appeal aimed at helping the people of Gaza, which in the Corporation's opinion was sufficiently biased towards the anti-Israel movement that broadcast contravened the strict impartiality clause that makes up an important part of its mandate, claiming that the BBC is "now cravenly afraid of giving offence and vulnerable to any kind of well drilled lobbying."

The full letter can be read here.

The joke ended with Boyle saying, "I've got an analogy which explains the whole thing quite well: if you imagine that Palestine is a cake – well, that cake is being punched to pieces by a very angry Jew."

That would be worth something, Frankie, only if the cake regularly fired explosive candles into towns inhabited by unarmed civilians and taught its little cupcakes that all Jews are evil and should be destroyed by any means possible, including blowing yourself up. You said that "People think that the Middle East is very complex" - that's because it is. It's much more complex than your analogy suggests, and when it comes to Israel and Palestine neither side is as pure as the driven snow. Some people, put off by the complexity of the matter, base their opinions on what the people the see on the telly have to say about it, and your comments - which suggest that the Palestinians would be perfectly fine if it wasn't for those nasty, vicious Jews attacking them - really don't help one bit. In fact, it even risks stirring up Jew-hatred; and I'm sure you wouldn't want anyone to label you an antisemite, would you? While your brand of humour doesn't require any in-depth research, make sure you have at least some idea of what you're talking about. You look like an idiot otherwise.

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tomeisner2

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 08:33

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J L Cohen,
If you yourself were to actually visit the Palestinian terrortories and see for yourself what Israeli settlers are doing to the Palestinians and think you would agree that it is inhumane. The trouble is that I don't think you have been there recently- n'est-ce-pas? It is a form of Apartheid in so far as they are seperated off and not allowed to use the posh roads. People die at check points ona regular basis. Why don't you go and see for yourself what the reality is all about?


amber

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 09:09

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tomeisner, do you think Boyle's antisemitism is acceptable?


tomeisner2

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 10:02

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It is not antisemitic to verbally attack Israel.


Lanne

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 11:46

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"I've got an analogy which explains the whole thing quite well: if you imagine that Palestine is a cake – well, that cake is being punched to pieces by a very angry Jew." That is obviously anti Semitic because he is referring to Jews, not just disagreeing with the Israeli government. If you described any ethnic group as angry, it would be recognized as racist.


tomeisner2

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 13:15

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o.k. fair point


tomeisner2

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 14:49

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good point


amber

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 15:04

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tom eisner, are you seriously trying to tell me that that didn't occur to you til it was pointed out?

Please think.


Yvetta

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 16:35

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Dollars to doughnuts that like many people Boyle gets his warped view of Israel from watching Al Beeb.


tomeisner2

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 16:43

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I mean that it "technically" it is a good point that lanne raises but I totally support and applaud Frankie Boyle for bringing to attention Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. Whether he says Jew or Israeli does not alter the fact that the Palestinians in the West Bank are being punched to pieces every day by the Israeli settlers and army. Just go there and see for yourself what is going on. It does matter whether one is a Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, or a Martian, if one is a decent human being you would be absolutely disgusted on witnessing what Israel is so far getting away with.


amber

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 20:02

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tomeisner

Do you really believe that Boyle, a man who makes fun of Down's Syndrome babies, is "concerned" with the palestinians, and if so why does he demonstrate such "concern" by telling an antisemitic joke? Does his concern extend to the treatment of Jews in Arab countries?

Grow up.


tomeisner2

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 20:38

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You should learn something about the Palestinian people who you clearly have have no
knowledge of. In fact have you ever met any? I have on several occasions been to Palestine where I have made a great point of telling them that I was Jewish. I never ever ever encountered any form of anti Jewish or "anti semitic" responses from them. In fact whenever I have been there I am greeted as a brother which is exactly how I feel towards them. This contrasts with the narrow mind set which so many bloggers on this site sadly express.Go there and see for yourself the truth Amber then you would grow up.


amber

Mon, 05/03/2010 - 22:21

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tomeisner, so now you claim there is no antisemitism in Palestinian society? I have indeed been there, probably more than you. Are you aware that Jewish people are called apes and monkeys in Palestinian school textbooks? Are you aware that the Palestinian Authority (supposed partners for peace) broadcast regular sermons calling for Jews to be killed? Live in your fantasy if you want, but I don't think you'll take many with you.

The subject here is Boyle. He is an antisemitic racist scumbag. It's a pity you are so blind that you can't see it. Is he full of love and goodwill?


Abtalyon

Tue, 05/04/2010 - 10:57

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tomeisner2:
Yes, we all know and many of us abhor the despicable conduct of some of the settlers but the occupied territories are not Israel however much some like to lump them together. And your remark about deaths at checkpoints "on a regular basis" is pure demagoguery. There hasn't been a death at a checkpoint in over two years and apart from the Second Intifada years, deaths from 2003 to 2008 numbered between 0-5 per year.

It doesn't pay to overstate your case nor exaggerate
in order to score a point.

http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/casualties_data.asp?Category=2...

Concerning this Scots comedian, a self-confessed Celtic supporter, I would hazard a guess that he would learn more about kicking and punching outside Parkhead, but I suppose that would be considered non- politically correct in todays' UK.


tomeisner2

Tue, 05/04/2010 - 13:39

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Ablayon, You are writing absolute untruths about the situation in Palestine. My friend Ahmed's father died at a checkpoint in February. He had severe chest pains and needed to get to the hospital in East Jerusalem. The Israeli authorities told him to apply for a permit to travel. This takes a week to get normally. In other words if you are a Palestinian you have to know one week in advance that you are going to be having a heart attack. Too late for his father.
Long live The Palestinians,As a Jew I love them. They have become the Jews of the 21st century.


JLCohen

Tue, 05/04/2010 - 16:49

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Tom, you're quite right in saying I haven't been to Palestine recently. But, I live in an area with a very large, if not predominantly, Muslim population and have many Muslim friends - some of them Palestinian, in fact (99% of my shopping is done in shops owned by Middle Eastern Muslims and I regularly share a shisha with a local Palestinian cafe owner - in other words, I'd say I live in their community). All of them know that I am Jewish and we frequently discuss Palestine so I believe that, to a degree at least, I have a slightly better awareness of what is going on than I would do were I reliant on the mainstream news.

That, I hope, is evidence enough to convince you that I am not anti-Palestine (though I am most definitely not anti-Israel either). With that in mind, I can only assume that at some point during my post I wasn't clear enough and you have misunderstood me since it appears you are under the impression I am claiming Israelis have not committed anything that could be described as inhumane - please take note of the statement "when it comes to Israel and Palestine neither side is as pure as the driven snow."

The purpose of my post was not to suggest that Israel is good and Palestine is bad - the situation is far more complicated than that. What I meant to say was that Boyle makes the matter worse in saying what he said, as he suggests Israel is bad and Palestine is good. The situation is more complicated than that, too.


Abtalyon

Tue, 05/04/2010 - 20:48

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tomeisner2:
So how come the incident your friend alleges happened to his ( late) father isn't recorded in the list of happenings for February this year?
B'Tselem, not to mention the ladies of Machsom Watch; usually makes a point of keeping a close eye on such events but it is clearly possible that it received no report.

Even if your friend's father died at a checkpoint, this unfortunate occurence in no way validates your assertion that " People die at check points ona regular basis " and the B'Tselem statistics since 2000 in the link I supplied earlier back me up and contradict you.

Before you make further wild accusations about posters posting untruths, I suggest you check and double-check.

http://www.btselem.org/English/OTA/


amber

Tue, 05/04/2010 - 21:42

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tom eisner, your comment that the Palestinians are the Jews of the 21st century is simply grotesque. Being herded into gas chambers are they?

You studiously avoid responding to the point about Palestinian antisemitism, which is rife. How also do you explain the constant attempts to kill Jews in Israel, the more the better? You live in a self hating fantasy.

The Jews are the Jews of the 21st, and every other, centuy. Such comparisons are historically, intellectually and morally illiterate.


tomeisner2

Wed, 05/05/2010 - 00:04

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Palestinian antisemitism, what absolute rubbish. You have obviously no Palestinian friends have you?
have you been there recently? No of course you haven't.Therefore you no nothing about the situation. I have many Palestinian friends. Stop believing all the lies that you swallow hook line and sinker. Go and visit Palestine(The West Bank) and see for yourself what is going on.When I was there I told everyone that I was Jewish. They all were incredibly friendly to me. They are wondeful people. Go and see for yourself. Good Night!


amber

Wed, 05/05/2010 - 13:42

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tom eisner, I can't believe you are so ignorant. Look at Palestinian school textbooks, look at Palestinian TV. Jews are routinely labelled "apes and monkeys", accused of sacrificing children and drinking their blood, poisoning the water, stealing organs and direct incitement to kill is common. You need to open your eyes. This information is freely available if you bother to look. And your comparison is still grotesque.


amber

Wed, 05/05/2010 - 13:42

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"Good night" sums it up - you are indeed asleep.

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