Education, education, discrimination


By telegramsam
November 6, 2010
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In Israel, it appears, not only is success in life a question of location, location, location, it's also a function of which ethnic group you belong to.
A report on Ynet, in Hebrew, has shown that the state invests 54 shekels per annum (that's just short of a tenner) in children learning in the Arab Bbedouin town of Rahat, in the Negev. In the Jewish Negev town of Yerucham, it's 5,400 shekels per child per annum, while in affluent Raanana, in the centre of the country, it's a relatively massive 14,000 shekels per annum, per child.
Another article on the same website, this time in English, reports:

As opposed to comfortable learning conditions in Omer, Bedouin students attending nearby Segev Shalom high school study in overcrowded caravans with no air-condition. Teacher: Our goal is that these students attend university, but it's not easy
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The Omer Comprehensive High School boasts beautiful lawns, marble walls, class schedules on plasma screens, soccer fields and a gym, a student radio station, a NIS 14.5 million (about $4 million) annual budget and an 80% matriculation eligibility rate.

The Segev Shalom High School is located just 12 kilometers (about 7.4 miles) away, but there the students study in overcrowded caravans with no air-conditioning. The matriculation eligibility rate at the Bedouin town's school stands at 40%, and the students do not even dream of a gym. This is how the Israeli education system perpetuates inequality.

Not apartheid quite yet. But getting there.

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Avraham Reiss

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 21:21

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Another message of hate by outsider moshet zarfati.

Don't you have enough problems where you live? What is your obsession of hatred for Israel?


stephenb

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 21:23

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sam israel is a jewish state for freaks sake who gives a flying chit if those arab kids are headyoukayted they probly is just gonna be a bunch of suicide bombers anyways


Advis3r

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 21:29

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Not only is the heading misleading but the comments are anti-Semitic in nature. The fact is that poor areas of Israel whether Arab or Jewish are starved of funds for education because the local authorities have less money to spend on education than their richer counterparts. This situation whilst unacceptable is the norm in most countries including the UK where inner-city scholls lack the same facilities of the schools situated in more affluent areas. To say this is based on discrimination against the Arabs is typical for the poster of this blog who never passes up the opportunity to take stories out of context in order to show Israel in a bad light. His problem is that some of us speak and read Ivrit and understand full well what this report
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3979757,00.html
actually says. Which is not what he would have you believe it says.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 21:42

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Advis3r, It's increasingly obvious that any response to criticism about discrimination in Israel is that it is "antisemiticinnaytchah". Not only does that cheapen the term anti-semitism, it begs the question of what those who claim it will say when they are confronted by real anti-semitism. No one will believe them because they have used and abused the term so often. It used to be a good way of deflecting attention, but it just don't work no more.
I know all about poor towns and rich towns, so perhaps you'd be good enough to explain why a Jewish poor town (Yerucham) can invest an admittedly piffling 5400 shekels (About £1000) per annum in a pupil while the non-Jewish Rahat can invest a laughable 54 shekels (a tenner).
I refer you to uktaskforce.org where you will find a wealth of information about discrimination in Israel set out by an organisation headed by the head of the UK's top Zionist organisation.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 21:43

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Just to add, even the right wing Zionist Federation is affiliated to the task force.


stephenb

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 21:48

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you see while the west bank is an apartheid appended province israel proper is more akin to northern ireland than apartheid south africa....work and education is a protestant/jewish privalege


stephenb

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 22:01

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Av baby why do I get to you so much im just a freaking bit of wayward ether i just come with the dust and go with the wind

Av its just an internet blog its not life and death life and death is down the road at Uxbridge hospital


Advis3r

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 22:15

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To hold Israel - the Jewish state to standards to which other democratic states are not held according to the working definition adopted by the EU is anti-Semitism plain and simple. You don't accept that that's your problem but the fact is calling you an anti-Semite and what you write anti-Semitic does not cheapen the term. It alerts people reading this blog to what supposedly passes for fair comment as being nothing more than a further attempt to delegitimise the Jewish State by falsely ascribing to a report on the funding problems in Israel's education system which is something faced by many of the world's demoicracies as somehow discrimination against Arabs - which is not the thrust of the report at all which you quite well know. I note your reference to the uk task force site where there is not a wealth of information about discrimination another attempt at misinformation. buI would however draw your attention to the mission statement of the American task force (based on which the UK task force was set up) which reads
“Members of the Inter-Agency Task Force on Israeli Arab Issues, a coalition of North American Jewish organizations, foundations, private ‘philanthropists’ and international affiliates, are committed to the welfare of Israel and support the Jewish state’s right to a secure and peaceful existence. Members of the Task Force are proud of the democratic, sovereign state of the Jewish people and support Israel’s Declaration of Independence including the article that promises social and political equality for all its inhabitants, Jews and Arabs alike.” That is the task force is there to assist Israel achieve its goals of social and political equality for all and not as you would have us believe to deem the present situation as institutionalised discrimination.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 22:27

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No, Advis3r, I and the people of the uktaskforce are holding Israel to precisely the same standards that Israel itself proudly announced in its Declaration of Independence. That is, that all citizens, irrespective of race, religion, creed, gender.

it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture;

In a democracy all citizens have a stake. Is Israel a state in which all its citizens have a stake?
If it's not, then there really is no point in Israel declaring itself a Jewish democracy or democratic Jewish state, because it would be neither.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 22:29

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And Avis3r, do you honestly believe there would be a need for such task forces if there wasn't institutionalised discrimination in Israel?


Avraham Reiss

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 22:40

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tscum: "Just to add, even the right wing Zionist Federation is affiliated to the task force."

Another give-away that tscum is moshe tzarfati, he was always going on about the ZF.

BTW, we haven't heard "glove puppet" or "ve'ahavta lere'echa" for a while - slipping? (and how about reviving "fetish" again - you really flogged that one to death).


Advis3r

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 22:51

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A basic fallacy propagated by this blogger is that there is instituionalised discrimination in Israel, First this is disproved by the laws of the State which prohibit discrimination. Secondly it needs to be explained that unlike the USA for example Israel is not a melting pot society, but rather more of a mosaic made up of different population groups coexisting in the framework of a single democratic state.
As a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious and multi-lingual society, Israel has a high level of informal segregation patterns. While groups are not separated by official policy, a number of different sectors within the society have chosen to lead a segregated life-style, maintaining their strong cultural, religious, ideological and/or ethnic identity. The vast majority of Arab Israelis have chosen to maintain their distinct identity and not assimilate. The community's separate existence is facilitated through the use of Arabic, Israel's second official language; a separate Arab/Druze school system; Arabic literature, theater and mass media; and maintenance of independent Muslim, Druze and Christian denominational courts which adjudicate matters of personal status. While the development of inter-group relations between Israel's Arabs and Jews has been hindered by deeply rooted differences in religion, values and political beliefs, the future of the Arab Israeli sector is closely tied to that of the State of Israel. Though they coexist as two self-segregated communities, over the years Jewish and Arab Israelis have come to accept each other, acknowledging the uniqueness and aspirations of each community and participating in a growing number of joint endeavors. As a consequence of the mainstream Arab choice to pursue a segregated existence differences have emerged in the development of poorer sections in the community as compared with the much larger Jewish community.There are several other factors that explain the reason why the gap between economic development in the Arab sector and that of the Jewish sector has yet to be closed, among them:
The average family size in the Arab sector is far higher than that of Jewish families, greatly reducing the relative number of financial providers per dependent.
Participation of women in the work force is still very low in the Arab sector more as a consequence of cultural reasons than the lack of opportunities, further reducing the average family income.
Education levels in the Arab sector are relatively lower than those in the Jewish sector due to the general problem of lack of funding for education in poor areas which plague both the Arab and Jewish communities, often leading to lower incomes.
The majority of Arab Israelis live in small communities with limited economic infrastructure. This plays a contributing factor in employment in unskilled or semiskilled fields, as well as the higher overall rates of unemployment.
The lack of easy access to places of employment can also prevent employment commensurate with the skill or education level of the job seeker.
Service in the Israeli Defense Forces gives veterans certain economic and other benefits. Although Arab Israeli youth who do not volunteer for army service gain a two-to-three year head start in their higher education or in joining the workforce, this does not always compensate for missing out on the benefits and training enjoyed by veterans.
The fact is that Israel in cooperation with outside agencies is attempting to narrow the gap and not as this blogger would have you beieve perpetuate or even widen the gap by active discrimination.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:02

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Avraham, fetish you say? Funny you should say that because Amber just mentioned fetish in another thread. Could he/she be the Moshe? And I think I mentioned the ZF here in a positive light. Here are some more D'ohs for you. Shavuah tov, achi.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:11

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Advis3r, yours is a straw man argument. You don't need laws for institutionalised discrimination. There are laws against such discrimination in all democratic countries, but in Britain, for instance, there is institutionalised discrimination in the Met Police, the armed forces, etc. In Israel, its in education and in the distribution of resources. Otherwise, how would you explain that two poor towns, Yerucham and Rahat, not 20 kilometres apart, can spend vastly different sums on education?
Your explanation about the social make up of Israeli Arabs is interesting, but would you agree that in that they are not much different from the ultra-Orthodox? And who gets more resources, the Arabs or the yeshivot, kollelim etc?
The reason the task forces were set up is because successive governments in Israel have done precious little to alleviate the plight of the minority. If the governments had, there would be no need for task forces.
So is Israel, with equality enshrined in its Declaration of Independence, a state where all its citizens have a stake in its future?
If it isn't then it isn't a Jewish democracy.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:12

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Leyl menuchah ve'chalomot pazz. A restful night and sweet dreams.


amber

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:22

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Well done tsam, you have an unrepentant antisemite cheering on your posts of hate in the guise of stephenb.

You say it doesn't matter that you endlessly attack Israel? Look who's agreeing with you. Do you think his type are motivated by caring about Israel?

And have you seen the British eduction system recently? Hardly a bastion of equality, is it?

Sto your endless vilification.


Avraham Reiss

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:22

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moshetzarfati, you aren't much different from any other anti-semite over the last 2,000 years. The amount of time and energy you devote to besmirching the State of Israel shows how sick you are. Desecrated any Israeli graves yet? The next paragraph puts you not far from there.

Stealing the identity of an IDF soldier who was standing in a guard of honour for a comrade slain by Hizbollah - AS YOU DID - just portrays the real you as a 3rd-generation piece of sh!t. (Fully documented in JCWatch).

You are sick, and its about time the JC stood by its declaration of 8th October regarding removal of anti-Israeli bile.

At least for the few moments you will be denying all this as you always do, you won't be besmirching Israel.


amber

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:22

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Stop your endless vilification.


amber

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:24

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I see stephenb, being education is "a Jewish or Protestant privalege[sic]"

Not only more Jew hatred from you - it's comforting to know that your spelling and antisemitism are both products of a lack of education.


stephenb

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:34

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I wish you people would keep your posts shorter....like as a rule of thumb would an humble irish bog man wholly lacking in headyoukayshun be able to digest all of this in only one day


amber

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:38

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Back with the "you people" form of address for Jewish people, eh?

Why is this racist here?


Anthony Posner

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:40

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stephenb "writes" re Stephen Pollard on his blog about Hague:

"Stephen I am thinking your journalistic career is in free fall decline, and thinking is my strong point. I am not entirely unsympathetic. I understand that the kessler foundation thinks you are A total toss pot but well....i would behave just the same in your excrutiating [position giv us a kiss but no tongues ok ?"


stephenb

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:48

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an how dare sam question ambers gender isent amber every american strippers name like marianne is the mythological symbol of the french republic and the dog an duck is the mythological every pub isent Amber the mythological every Los Angeles tattood stripper ?


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:50

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Avraham, I am sorry to say that you really should seek help. That invention of yours is pure sickness. Since practically everything you have written has shown you up -- hence the d'ohs -- you really cannot be expected to be believed on your invented nonsense.
I am surprised, but not unhappy, that you still post here. Surprised because you have had a myriad of very sick posts removed. Not unhappy because every time you commit finger to keyboard you show yourself up a little more. Perhaps it's therapeutic, too. It better than kicking the cat, I suppose.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:53

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Amber, I am not vilifying Israel. I am merely holding it to the excellent standards that it set itself in its declaration of independence, a fantastic document of a nation reborn. No other post-colonial nation has had the guts to come up with that. Did you know that in the absence of a written constitution, the Declaration of Independence serves as a constitution. Israel should hold itself to that document.


Harvey

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:54

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Its the same problem here in North London . Henrietta Barnett plays Edgware Academy as one example among many .One a model of white middle class academic ,cultural and social excellence and the other a Labour government last gasp attempt to plaster over the cracks in a failed education system which sees fit to bundle up all its problematic under achievers in a one size fits all enviroment . The fact that many of these children are the offspring of immigrant families seems to have conveniently escaped your notice. The white middle class parents have run a mile -white flight I believe it's called . In your book that would be apartheid but of course that would only apply to Israel.

Time and time again ,I read these mealey mouthed attempts to denigrate and delegitimise Israel by individuals who are quite prepared to ignore the very same circumstances taking place in their own country.

Utter hypocrisy but not in the least bit surprising coming from you.


DLeigh-Ellis

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:56

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'I read these mealey mouthed attempts to denigrate and delegitimise Israel by individuals who are quite prepared to ignore the very same circumstances taking place in their own country.'

Very good point well made.


telegramsam

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:59

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I think you'll find I mentioned institutionalised discrimination in the Met and armed forces here. I'm merely holding Israel to the standards it set itself. What's wrong with that? Or do you think Israel should be held to different standards? Double-standards, I believe it's called.


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:01

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Avraham, it's almost 1.15am in Israel. Go to sleep, your thought processes are frazzled. That may be the reason you invent so much sick nonsense.


DLeigh-Ellis

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:01

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Avi... Are the Paedo gags really necessary.. Think you made your point with them a while back...

Unless you can prove it... otherwise it's just petty slander, not clever.


stephenb

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:02

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Tony was that a question ?


Avraham Reiss

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:03

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moshe tzarfati, you are obsessed, obsessed, obsessed. We take comfort in how much you suffer. Such hatred is poison, which is slowly eating you up. Keep going.


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:04

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Avraham is posting here now because he knows that after office hours there are no moderators to take down his sick nonsense. It's like Michael Jackson's Thriller video -- it's zombie time.


DLeigh-Ellis

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:05

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Avraham, talk about obsession, you are the only person here who has crafted an entire website dedicated to undermining other users of this website.

Well done!


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:06

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Apart from Anthony, the only one obsessed here is you with your sick invented nonsense. Gey schlufen.


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:07

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DLE, he has invented a whole fantasy there. If it wasn't so badly written, he might have won the Man Booker Prize for fiction.


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:10

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He's accused the editor of this paper of being a kapo, a top journalist of being a third-rate hack and had some disgusting things to say about the Jewish knowledge of a young reporter. This from the guy that is so Jewishly illiterate that kid, inn his second year of a Reform cheder knows more Judaism than him.


DLeigh-Ellis

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:12

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He also likes to hunt people down via facebook when he can't get in touch of them through this website...

It's quite touching really, Obsession of a level I've only seen in Romeo and Juliet.


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:13

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DLE, he did that to you? Now I know where he gets his sick invented stories from.


Anthony Posner

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:14

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stephenb "writes" re Stephen Pollard on his blog about Hague:

"Stephen I am thinking your journalistic career is in free fall decline, and thinking is my strong point. I am not entirely unsympathetic. I understand that the kessler foundation thinks you are A total toss pot but well....i would behave just the same in your excrutiating [position giv us a kiss but no tongues ok ?"


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:16

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If he did write to you, DLE, then I think you have a case for going to the editor to demand he be banned, because that is cyberstalking ( and before you jump, Jonathan, answering your posts is not cyberstalking, much as you would like it to be.).


Avraham Reiss

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:19

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moshe tzafarti, who took the photo and ID of an IDF soldier from my Facebook entry?


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:21

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Avraham, you naughty boy, you. Stalking someone so that you could invent some sick nonsense. I'm impressed, tho. Maybe you should emulate Steven King. He made a shedload of money making up horror stories like that.


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:22

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Have you apologised for calling a Jewish editor of a Jewish newspaper a kapo?


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:24

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Anyway, the poor moderators will have a lot on their hands when they come in Monday morning and I have a 10k run in the morning, so if you don't mind...


DLeigh-Ellis

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:24

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Trying to get Avi banned would just encourage his messianic complex, enabling him to crawl back to his 'watch' site and claim he was unfairly treated again. He actually wrote to me to demand a reply/apology for something I wrote in response to a particular blog. When I volunteered the apology he never published it... I guess he wasn't expecting a positive response and got a little bit spooked by somebody actually being prepared to reconsider something they might have said.


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:26

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So he did stalk you. Now I know where he gets his stories from. I don't want him banned. As you say it will only encourage his messianic complex and every time he commits finger to keyboard here, he just makes a fool of himself.


telegramsam

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:32

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Anyway, here's a lovely Yiddish lullabye, "Rozhinkes mit Mandlen" ("Raisins and Almonds"), for you all.

We'll close our broadcasts with beautiful rendition of Hatikva sung by Richard Tucker.


DLeigh-Ellis

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:32

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He didn't quite stalk me to be fair... Because I did reply... Although he was quick to tell me to stop contacting him several months later when I sent him a message to ask him to remove something untrue he had written about me.

But the original dialogue was more of a passionate exchange of views... And I don't dislike him in the way he dislikes me... I just find his behaviour and written employment of rhetoric fascinating...


Harvey

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:44

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Moshe

You appear to enjoy the verbal masturbation that passes for discourse on the site but seem wholly unable to respond to anything of any substance including my earlier perfectly reasonable claim that you are an inveterate hypocrite

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