Does Lord Phillips believe there is a well organised "Jewish lobby" at work or not?


By richmillett
November 11, 2010
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Lord Andrew Phillips of Sudbury has made a remarkable intervention on the Jewish Chronicle website.

Last week Lord Phillips spoke at a Palestine Solidarity Campaign event at Parliament. The title of the event was Gaza – Eyewitness reports from the Viva Palestina convoy, Parliamentary delegations, and Westminster University Architects

Jonathan Hoffman blogged Lord Phillips’ speech that night.

Lord Phillips has blogged back as follows:

“I have just had drawn to my attention a contribution made to The JC.com website on 3rd November by Jonathan Hoffman. It comments on a short speech I made at a PSC meeting last week. It does not report what I said fairly, or accurately (sadly, not for the first time in the JC as far as I am concerned.)

I will not try the patience of the readers of this blog (and my own!) by detailing all his studied distortions. One example, taken from the start of his piece, may serve to give the flavour.

He states that I said “I do believe in the right of Israel to exist”, he adding “Well thanks buddy – and France? Germany? England?”

In fact I emphasised that I believe “passionately” in the right of Israel to exist in freedom and security, adding that I believed in a similar right for Palestine. I did not also say, but could have, that I volunteered to fight for Israel in 1973.
Israel is in my view destroying its long-term security and harmony inter alia and particularly by its military occupation and colonisation of the West Bank (now extending to 42% of that territory, according to the latest Foreign Office estimate).

I will not be deterred from speaking out against that self-defeating, provocative and illegal policy, and its awful impact on the Palestinians.“

The only alleged distortion Lord Phillips chooses to go on, so as not to try our patience you understand, is about Israel’s right to exist.

He is silent on Hoffman quoting him as saying, “Europe cannot think straight about Israel because of the Holocaust and America is in the grip of the well-organised Jewish lobby”.

Making suggestions of Jewish power, an anti-Semitic trope, is bad enough but invoking the Holocaust so gratuitously at a meeting which has nothing to do with the Holocaust is a particularly low way of gaining an audience’s attention.

Someone who feels the need to invoke 6,000,000 innocent dead souls at a political rally is totally lacking in moral integrity.

People really don’t care whether Lord Phillips thinks Israel should exist or not or whether he keeps wishing to speak out against Israeli policy. It is his right and no one will try to stop him.

He is a Liberal Democrat after all and it is an unofficial Liberal Democrat policy, and one it definitely won’t renege on, to bash Israel publicly.

But either Lord Phillips really doesn’t want to try our patience, as he claims, and he didn’t speak of a “Jewish lobby” and gratuitously invoke the Holocaust or his deafening silence on these matters is an admission that he did.

If it is the latter then he should make a public apology.

So, Lord Phillips, which is it? Our patience are all yours to try.

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telegramsam

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 16:47

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Yes I'd love to know that, too. But I haven't seen a full transcript, so how could any one possibly know? You were there. Is there a full transcript?


Yvetta

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 17:17

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His name is Andrew Phillips, Baron Phillips of Sudbury, aka Lord Sudbury.
By styling himself "Lord Andrew Phillips" he's giving the impression that he's the younger son of a duke, marquess, or earl. This form or style by a life pee ris incorrect and I'm surprised that a legal eagle like his lordship would make such an error. I'd expect him to be better versed in such matters.
Perhaps his lordship's memory of what he said is equally flawed.


Yvetta

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 17:17

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I meant aka Lord Phillips of Sudbury.


Jon.

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 17:31

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Or perhaps.... it wasn't him?

Just a thought.


Yvetta

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 17:34

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The plot thickens!


raycook

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 17:53

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IYvetta, I believe Andrew Phillips adds the Andrew to distinguish himself from Baron (Nicholas) Phillips (Supreme Court, involved in JFS judgement)


Yvetta

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 18:03

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Ah, so!


raycook

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 08:49

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This link in the JPost seeks to demonstrate 'anti-Semitic themes found in mainstream British circles'

http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=195036&prmusr=laT%252...

It summarises a CST report.

Lord Phillips's reference to the Holocaust and a Jewish Lobby or comparison of Israel to the Nazis are now frequently invoked in anti-Israel discourse.

Even by Jews


Avraham Reiss

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:06

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The Jewish Chronicle Blogs section is a fantastic source of anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli comments; who needs Lord Phillips?


Avraham Reiss

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:10

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[quote]
But either Lord Phillips really doesn’t want to try our patience, as he claims, and he didn’t speak of a “Jewish lobby” and gratuitously invoke the Holocaust or his deafening silence on these matters is an admission that he did.

If it is the latter then he should make a public apology.

So, Lord Phillips, which is it? Our patience are all yours to try.
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Jewish Chronicle Reporter Martin Bright says he did!

From a speech by Nick Clegg, as reported by JC reporter Martin Bright, 11th November 10:
http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/41015/nick-clegg-we-got-it-wrong-israe...

"Nor did he refer to last week’s comments by Lib Dem peer Lord Phillips to a Palestine Solidarity Campaign meeting in Westminster, that America was in the grip of the “Israel lobby” and that Europe was unable to think straight about Israel because of the Holocaust.

Lord Phillips’ remarks are understood to have sparked a rare formal complaint to Mr Clegg by the Board of Deputies, the Jewish Leadership Council and the Community Security Trust. The complaint was followed by a meeting between the three organisations and LibDem Chief Whip Alastair Carmichael."


Avraham Reiss

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:17

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telegramsam has recently become obsessive in his requests for a transcript of Phillip's speech.

The honest thing for him to do now, in view of the contents of my previous post here, is to make the same request to JC reporter Martin Bright.

Telegramsam, we are waiting ...


telegramsam

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:46

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Again, it appears the only exercise you get, Avraham, is jumping to conclusions. You really should try and get out more, get the heart racing up to 140bpm for at least 30 minutes. It'll do you the world of good. But no, we haven't seen a transcript. A verbatim one. Clock's running, must get to work.


Avraham Reiss

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:49

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telegramsam, its like the last moves in a game of chess. You currently have only two possible moves:

(1) Admit that Jonathan gave an exact, verbatim report of what Phillips said, or

(2) Demand proof that JC Reporter Martin Bright really exists. After all, I don't think any of us here have actually seen him. Maybe he's someone else using a pseudonym (I don't think I have to explain to you what that is).

OK mate, your move!


telegramsam

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:53

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You obviously don't know chess either. Jonathan didn't provide a verbatim report. Martin Bright exists. He didn't provide a verbatim report of the Phillip's speech either.
Grow up, get a life, join the human race.


telegramsam

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:54

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Anyway, a few meetings to go to, will be in the office about 1 my time. No doubt you will be around then for some more lessons in how to do things right.


Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:56

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Gotcha!

Avraham you have skewered the vexacious little pisher - mazal tov!


telegramsam

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 09:58

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Good grief, it's Jonathan. How about that verbatim report? Have you got it yet? Or is it time for another embarrassing grovelling apology?


Avraham Reiss

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:02

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So why don't you ask Bright for the source of his remarks (if he exists)?


amber

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:27

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tsam, your juvenile egotistical games distract from impoertant issues facing Jews today. You place your own ego in front of the welfare of Jewish people.

Please - grow up. You must find yourself endlessly fascinating.


Avraham Reiss

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:31

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I think we should notify Martin Bright that telegramsam has acknowledged his right to exist. He should now feel like the State of Israel, who's right to exist Phillips also recently acknowledged.

For Martin Bright and the State of Israel, it's a good time to be alive ... :-)


Yoni1

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 10:49

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"Grow up, get a life, join the human race"

Oh, just piss off, you sad little person.


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 15:26

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I'm getting the impression that all we have is Jonathan Hoffman's word for what Lord Phillips said.


telegramsam

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 15:27

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Yes, me too. And remember what happened last time he cried wolf.


amber

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 22:34

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Uh, didn't the Jc report the same as Jonathan?


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Fri, 11/12/2010 - 23:45

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Nice to see Team Jonathan on the ball. Now, run along and Google the word "transcript." You might have to put your pom poms down.....


amber

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 09:58

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Watchful Iris, perhaps you didn't actually read what I wrote...didn't the JC report the same as Jonathan?

And why would there be a transcript of the speech?


Jonathan Hoffman

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 10:06

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And have you asked the Board of Deputies, the JLC and the CST (who complained to the Liberal Chief Whip about Phillips) for the transcript?

Or are you a vexatious runny-nosed obsessive twisted little pisher with nothing better to do in your life than to spread malice on this blog?


telegramsam

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 10:27

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Jonathan, you are the one making the claim about Phillips -- and being abusive and defensive -- you are the one who needs to prove it. You have, after all, cried wolf before, been found out and then had to write a grovelling apology. The fact that you have recruited your team to run defence and distract for you doesn't mean a hill of beans.


Watchful Iris (not verified)

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 10:28

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Amber, you just rest....all that Team Jonathan stuff has done your head in.

Jonathan, your reputation precedes you. Produce a transcript or sit down.

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