Do Israel need to seriously consider going to war with Iran?


By John Gold
February 16, 2010
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OK so fair play the president of Iran 'Mahmoud Ahamdinejad' has said some threatening things - but can a guy that wears a 1980's style blouson jacket with pride to be taken seriously?

OK Israel are talking about Iran gaining a nuclear bomb, which is now inevitable, but Israel has quite a few that are not officially recognized - and after what Iraq went through is it any wonder countries want a deterrent from America invading them at will (even if it is Israel's desire that they do).

The middle east is already teetering on total meltdown, the last thing that region needs is another war, as Torah and Islam both teach 'eye for an eye' - it's only going to lead to endless strife and lack of peace.
After the failures of Iraq and Afghanistan America couldn't sanction another war - and with a much larger land mass and army population - Israel could suffer considerable damage (that's even without adding the nuclear element which would most definitely wipe Jerusalem off of the map).

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Yvetta

16 February, 2010 - 08:05

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Ahmadinejad might prove meshugge enough to unleash his weapon, even in the certain knowledge that it will kill many Palestinians. He is said to believe in the apocalyptic vision of the Twelfth Imam, whose coming will be preluded by strife and mayhem. Nightmare stuff.


ibrows

16 February, 2010 - 10:40

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Israel will not invade Iran, or attack it. Ahmadinejad is crazy with his rhetoric but he has never invaded any other country, there is not a serious nuclear threat from Iran. Plus more importantly, the US will not support an Israeli attack, simply due to the fear that Iran may be nuclear. Iraq and Afghanistan would not have been invaded and occupied if they had nuclear weapons, or the threat of nuclear weapons. Ahmadinejad is utilising this assumption that he has nuclear weapons and stoking it up alot, it is Iran's insurance policy that protects Ira against US imperial occupation, and it will work.

Israel on the other hand has been for decades talking up the nuclear threat and other threats from Iran, yes Iran is funding Hizbullah and trained them, but this is not sufficent reason to invade. Perhaps if Israel had not invaded Lebanon in the 1980's, Iran would not have armed and training Hizbullah, the movement originated as a resistance movement to the Israel invasion.


John Gold

16 February, 2010 - 21:30

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Yvetta,
wake up and smell the coffee - Iran doesn't want to wage war with Israel, lots of his quotes have been taken out of context! Even Orthodox Jews go and meet him and are welcomed by him... War mongering, and putting people in a state of fear is a weapon used by politicians to have us rely on them, and allow them free reign to branch out for more land with our support. Look at the British Iraq war - 40 minutes from receiving weapons of mass destruction - typical politicians that have been found out for what they do all the time.
Normal working people and families don't start wards, only religious fanatics and politicians.


Yvetta

16 February, 2010 - 21:47

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Er - quite so. Religious fanatics. Believers in the Twelfth Imam, perhaps.


John Gold

16 February, 2010 - 23:01

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Yvetta.

If you look at Israel from a purely objective stance you could quite easily say they were run by religious fanatics too?

A group of people that come back to a land 2000 years later - and reading a book they say is from God, that says the land was given to them - therefore they have every right to build where they want and ignore the people that have since built communities or houses there....
Is that the age of enlightenment and rationality? (or even religion for that matter, didn't God make all people, and doesn't he love all people)?

Iran is no danger, anymore than Iraq was....
Let's not forget that Britain and the USA fought with Iraq against Iran when it suited them, then changed sides, they also created the Taliban (to fight against the Russians) that they since realized has lived out it's purpose, and now want to dispose of it.


Yvetta

17 February, 2010 - 16:58

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I don't think you can be Jewish, as your screen name implies. If you are, you'll know that the yearning for Zion is implicit in Judaism, part of the traditional liturgy, and that over the centuries many elderly and/or infirm Jews went to Eretz Yisrael in order that they could be buried there. You will also know that it was not religious Jews who spearheaded the modern Zionist movement but secular Jews striving for a haven and the normalisation of the Jews' status.
Having said that, I'll agree that it's obviously going to be impossible to find peace or a modus vivendi when one group says they have a divine right to a territory and the other says likewise.
But this is off the point - because the spectre of the Twelfth Imam is the frightening factor as far as the Iranian threat is concerned.


John Gold

17 February, 2010 - 22:05

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And you may be aware of 'Theodor Herzl's' vision for the nation.

“It is founded on the ideas which are a common product of all civilized nations… It would be immoral if we would exclude anyone, whatever his origin, his descent, or his religion, from participating in our achievements. For we stand on the shoulders of other civilized peoples. … What we own we owe to the preparatory work of other peoples. Therefore, we have to repay our debt. There is only one way to do it, the highest tolerance. Our motto must therefore be, now and ever: ‘Man, you are my brother.’”

The problem is with many is polarization, looking at all the differences - not the things in common..
Arabs and Jews share a Semitic language, and are both descended from Abraham, live in the same region and are monotheists...

Regarding the 'twelfth iman' - again you look at it as fanatical or something to be feared - bit again 'Islam' 'Judaism' and 'Christianity' - all believe in a 'messiah' (like) figure coming to earth....
So they believe "Shi’ites await the promised return of the missing Twelfth Imam to rule a world of perfect peace and justice" - why is that something to be scared about? It's the same thing the Jews and Christians believe? And Islam and Christianity believe that that person (ultimately will be Yeshua (Jesus)....

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