Dmitry Medvedev

About "self-control", what about self-control of daily 'Palestinian' war crimes?
You know that this was supposed to be a first step on the roadmap for 'Palestinians'. While Israel has accomplished a number of steps, PA stayed at the bottom of the stairs.

Who cares what this puppet dictator of a mafia state has to say? Russia has plenty of its own problems to deal with, and their surrender of Chechnya to islamists is a good indicator of Russia's lack of moral authority when it comes to these issues.

Let's remember that Israel stood as a vital bulwark against Soviet expansion during the Cold War. If it weren't for Israel much of the Arab world would have fallen to communism.

God Bless Israel.

newsmax, this is utterly pathetic. Is this the same Russia which crushed the Chechen claim to independence by literally flattening an entire city, Grozny, killing about 100,000 people, mainly civilians?

Your screeching is becomin more and more desperate. Don't you think Medvedev's "concerns" are based on Russia's close economic links with Iran and the wider Arab world?

Please...beyond parody.

And why don't you ever engage in debate? All you ever do is post selective propaganda, then disappear, afraid to defend your views when challenged. Hardly the actions of someone who feels they are on solid ground.

Why is newsmax allowed to post propaganda repeatedly, which attacks the Jewish state, on the JC?

His material is EXCLUSIVELY hostile to Israel.

Yoni1 (AKA Jonathan Hoffman) starts the morning with his usual insults.

Newsmax has posted an opinion that mostly quotes the words of the Russian President and immediately Yoni1 (AKA Jonathan Hoffman) starts the 'anti Semitic' slander. Which is then taken up by everybody else.

If you want debate then stop the insults. It's pointless and incorrect to claim that everyone who supports a free Palestine ALONGSIDE a free Israel is an anti Semite.

Everytime someone mentions anything in support of Palestinian rights they are immediately a 'Jew hater'.
How do you figure that one out?

Because Israel is at war, and it's a zero sum game. It's one thing being able to live with a Palestinian state because it's [allegedly] in Israel's long term interests, it's another to want a Palestinian state at the expense of Israel's security and the future of the Jewish people. Especially when the same people don't seem to give a toss about the "rights" of other so-called oppressed minorities anywhere in the world, many of whom have a much worse time of it than these 'palestinians'.

Newsmax has posted an opinion that mostly quotes the words of the Russian President

No he doesn't, he posts an embellished and made-up version of what Medvedev said. Most of his quotation is invention.

If you want debate then stop the insults.

Who says I want to debate with him? If I wanted to debate this subject I'd go to my local mosque flying an Israel flag.

This is the JEWISH CHRONICLE and people like newsmax come here exclusively to post anti-Israel stories, which many people find offensive, and most of which are lies. If the motivation for that is not anti-Semitism, I'd like to know what it is.

Give me a break and spare me the false victim-hood. If you don't like the tone of conversation here go and post your anti-Israel propaganda on the Guardian where you'll receive a much warmer welcome.

suzanna, do you not find Russia's statement rank hypocrisy, considering its refusal to grant the Chechens and the tartars independence - and in fact crushed revolts against its rule with an iron fist?

As for your sensitivity about "insults", try supporting Israel on one of your BDS websites - you have never seen such antisemitism at play.

I am not against Israel. I am against the occupation.

As many Israelis are.

You support, endorse, sympathise with and mimic the rhetoric of people who want Israel destroyed - i.e. the PLO and Hamas.

What makes you any different?

Peace comes through trade and mutual respect. It does not come through economic warfare. You make peace harder.

You talk about the "BDS movement" as if it acts in a vacuum. You already stated above that you take your commands from Palestinian masters. They do want to ethnically cleanse people. And you are helping them. The PLO is a revolutionary marxist movement which considers all of Israel to be "occupied" and seeks the dismantling of Israel as a long term goal. They openly reaffirm that goal at every Fatah convention. But of course that isn't important to you. You happily do their bidding under the fig leaf of "human rights" while ignoring the worst violations of human rights around the world, which have nothing to do with Israel. Your cause is a vile parody of human rights.

Answer my question above. If you are so concerned with the rights of Palestinians why don't you speak out and campaign about the disgusting treatment of Palestinian arab refugees in other totalitarian countries, where they are routinely massacred, have their homes destroyed, deprived of basic rights and dignity? Silence. You only see Israel.

Whether or not Syria or Iran has genocidal ambitions is of course a matter of debate.

No, it is not a matter of debate. Iranian clergy and politicians say it openly. Syria has already tried to invade Israel three times and the same ruthless Ba'athists are still in power. Syria is also a major backer of Hezbollah.

Do you not understand how universally despised Israel is in the Arab world? Or how much of that hatred is based on plain old Jew hatred and sedition? You're not satisfied with the economic embargoes and academic boycotts imposed on Israel by Arab regimes, you want Britain to boycott Israel as well. I find that repugnant.

And the threat from Hamas is negligible? How do you work that out? Hamas are a threat to all democracies. They are a fascist, totalitarian, Jew hating, murderous regime that kill and torture their own. Like all such regimes they need to be contained - as Israel and Egypt are currently doing. And I'd like to see what you think of their "firecrackers" if one landed on your child's school.

The occupation will end, when there is peace between Israel and the arab world. The occupation is the RESULT of years of terrorism and violence against Israel by neighbouring states and state-sponsored terrorists, NOT the other way round. End Israel's military presence in Judea and Samaria without peace and you snuff out Israel's existence and along with that the future of the Jewish people.

For Israelis, suzanna, the holocaust has not ended, they've just got better at defending themselves. Your group is seeking to dismantle that defence.

Wrong thread, please delete the above.

Peace does not come through occupation and siege.

Neither does peace come through land appropriation, road blokes, administrative detention, settlements or 8 metre high walls.

Peace is not achieved though missile attacks from fighter planes or tank shells.

Peace does come though trade and mutual respect. So why is the hand of respect denied to the Palestinians?

How can a group of people who are effectively under siege trade?

Peace does not come through occupation and siege.

Peace doesn't come through terrorism. And remember Judea Samaria is disputed, not occupied.

Peace is not achieved though missile attacks

Tell that to your HAMAS and Hezbollah friends.

Peace does come though trade and mutual respect.

Mutual respect require two partners. There is no other partner for the respect thing on the 'Palestinian' side, just hate.

How can a group of people who are effectively under siege trade?

Because they elected terrorists to attack Israel. One does not negotiate with terrorists.

Sure Max

Doubtless you will be joining Medvedev in expressing your support for the inalienable rights of the Chechnyan people in their struggle against Soviet oppression with Grozny as their capital.

Err wait a mo. Grozny was flattened by the Soviets a decade or so ago with the deaths of more then 100,000 innocent civilians .

How about Georgia or then again maybe not .

Rank hypocrisy and duplicity on his part and yours for voicing it here.

Wrong again - peace does not come as long as one side wants to destroy the other. And as long as that is the case Israel will use its considerable military prowess to defend its citizens, of all creeds, as any democratic government would do.

And they can, and do, trade. Trade and cooperation between Israel and the Palestinians will bring peace. But that will never succeed while idiots like BDS continue to fan the flames and swamp the debate with Stalinist rhetoric. They empower fascists and silence moderates.

You know that there are Arabs in the disputed territories that would actually prefer Israeli rule to PLO/Hamas rule? Sadly you don't consider them to be "civil" society, preferring to be a mouthpiece for the radicals.

Harvey: actually Russia has handed Chechnya to the islamists, and now women cannot walk in the streets with their heads uncovered without getting shot at by thugs in 4x4s.

If that's what President Medvedev envisions for future "peace" in Israel, then I think his opinions can safely be ignored.

Well, considering all the ad hominem criticism made to Lieberman and his Russian voters, and how Medvedev/Putin treated the Muslims in Chechnya, I wonder why the antisemites criticised Lieberman. He is quite a gentle man compared to the couple Medvedev/Putin, isn't he?

Suzanna

Were you as vociferous in your protests when Palestinian maniacs were regularly crossing the border in order to murder and maim Israeli civilians during the Intifada . Maybe you can resurrect a few links highlighting those protestations - as if.

You concern yourself with the fence which was a final means to prevent these despicable acts of barbarism whilst conveniently airbrushing the cause and effect of these murderous acts .

Maybe your concern has less to do with Palestinian inconvenience and more to do with a shared sense of impotence that these " Negotiating Tactics " are no longer possible.

"And remember Judea Samaria is disputed, not occupied."

Unfortunately, JoseAnth, the entire world thinks otherwise.

Further it is laughable that anyone can say that Israel does't care what a permanent member of the security council thinks and says.Israel only continues to exist by virtue of the indulgence of the significant players in the geopolitical power game,an indulgence that won't last forever. So we better this two state thing on the road sooner rather ten later. As I have pointed out elsewhere " everyone knows what it is going to look like. "

" get this two state thing on the road..."

There jandrsimonson goes again with his "the world thinks..."

Do you have a brain of your own, or do you just agree with whatever the "world" thinks?

Me, I'm proud to think differently to everyone else.

Israel only continues to exist by virtue of the indulgence of the significant players in the geopolitical power game

And you think that's something to be happy about?? Dear God man read what you're writing!!

EVERY country has a right to exist as a sovereign nation. That's the whole point of the United Nations, to defend small states - or at least it was. Your "do as we say or else" attitude is depraved and typifies everything that's wrong with the world.

suzanna, try answering the points put to you.

Is it your view that Israel, alone, is responsible for the conflict?

If not, why do you advocate an exclusive boycott of Israel?

Try dealing in specifics instead of repeating second-hand slogans.

Are you against Palestinian terrorism?

simonson's arrogance is incredible - he speaks for the whole planet apparently.

And if the planet was entirey Jew hating, he'd agree with that as well. After all, the merit of an argument is always decided by how many people subscribe to it, itsn't it?

Nations exist as a matter of fact. Israels existence is seriously threatened by its failure to end the occation,at least it's existence as a Jewish state

"Me, I'm proud to think differently to everyone else."

That is fine.Hopefully you won't suffer any serious adverse consequences.

And what precisely is that supposed to mean?

I hope you answer the question, because to me that looks like a veiled threat.

Israels existence is seriously threatened by its failure to end the occation

And wrong again, Israel's existence is threatened by nations that threaten to end Israel's existence.

If the "whole world" thinks like you then we really are screwed.

Goodness me are you feeling ok ? Is there anyone you would like us to call ? A threat ? Of what ?

That is pretty much what the world wants. See my blog " everyone knows what it is going to look like "

And you are not screwed but time is short

That is fine.Hopefully you won't suffer any serious adverse consequences.

This is threatening language. Explain what you mean by it.

Sigh I mean thinking differently to everyone else is very admirable. But it can cause difficulties in life.Not many people can successfully steer their way while not caring what anyone else thinks. Probably two nations in the world can afford not to care what the world thinks, at least in the medium term, but not for ever. Israel is not one of them. In fact Israel is one of the nations least able to do so

Matt, grow up. There was a hint of a serious discussion going on until you got paranoid.

It would only take one critical security council resolution that REQUIRED Israel to do this or that and the game is over.

Much better for Israel to get a two state solution along the lines that the world wants which, as we have seen, a VERY good deal for Israel

Parenting without any follow through results in children getting out of control. But it's never too late to become a good parent.....

Matt, they have pills for that....

It would only take one critical security council resolution that REQUIRED Israel to do this or that and the game is over.

Well the Arab countries were required to recognise Israel in 1947 and they did not do it simonsam. Why don't you insist that they do, now? Why have you so little respect of UN?

Question for jandrsimonson: If the "rest of the world" was telling Britain to cede the Falklands to Argentina, for example, what would you want the British government to do?

Parenting without any follow through results in children getting out of control. But it's never too late to become a good parent.....

This doesn't even mean anything. What on earth are you on about?

Parenting without any follow through results in children getting out of control. But it's never too late to become a good parent.....

Another sure Great Contribution Award to Myopic Iris!

I'm surprised her parents let her touch their computer.

Matt, they have pills for that....

Damn! Two in a row! She has a factory or what?

"Why don't you insist that they do"

I am in no position to insist that the UN do anything

"Question for jandrsimonson: If the "rest of the world" was telling Britain to cede the Falklands to Argentina, for example, what would you want the British government to do?"

I wouldn't much care. What I would expect them to do is to work out the consequences of not complying and decide on a course of action. The worst case scenario would be loss of the Falklands which is no big deal. The eorst case scenario in the Israel case would be a solution imposed on them far less favourable then one they could have agreed voluntarily

Simonson, I know that you're a little inexperienced in these jousts, but for future reference, once Posner jumps in, you know that your point is not lost.

Thank you Watchful

Not so inexperienced that I hadn't noticed this

once Posner jumps in, you know that your point is not lost.

Except Anthony Posner was banned some months ago. And you call me paranoid?

I am in no position to insist that the UN do anything

So why do you spend so much time reminding us that Israel should do what the UN says and no time at all reminding us that the Arabs should first recognise the Jewish State of Israel. And I say "first" because it is a prerequiste since it was decided in 1947 that there would be a Jewish state and all the later ills came because of this lack of recognition.

once Posner jumps in

Where is Posner, Myopic? Is the rest of your 'facts' as accurate as your paranoid beliefs?

Except Anthony Posner was banned some months ago. And you call me paranoid?

It is now no secret: Wheelchair and Myopic live in paranoid delusions. Could well be that they believe 9/11 was an inside job!