Death at Bil'in / or Us and Them part 2


By Stanley Walinets
January 9, 2011
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I drew attention last week to the West Bank protest against the 'Security Fence' and the death of a Palestinian woman from tear gas. Not surprisingly, my blog drew angry responses and denials. Typical, perhaps, was the response from Jonathan Hoffman, headed with his usual politeness: "@Walinets, you piece of ordure - you going to apologise?".
Jonathan's and others' responses (all very polite of course...) were denials of what happened - was the 36-year-old woman killed or not? was she there or not? Jonathan's 'evidence' included this:

"a military investigation found that the woman who supposedly died when she inhaled tear gas at a demonstration Friday was not even present at that protest. She did not die of tear gas inhalation but of cancer, the IDF found, and had been lying in a hospital bed for ten days before passing away.
Arabs and leftists propagated the story that the woman, Jawaher Abu Rahma, 36, had inhaled tear gas at the weekly riot at Bilin, in Samaria. Adding pathos to the story was the allegation that she was the sister of an Arab who was killed in Bilin in 2009 after being struck by a tear gas canister."

Let me now draw your attention to the report by Anshel Pfeffer in Jerusalem in this week's JC. (I've numbered the paragraphs for ease of reference):

"WAS IT CANCER OR TEAR GAS? THE DEBATE RAGES
1) A Furious debate has broken out in Israel and across the blogosphere over what caused the death.....
2) The villagers of Bil'in in the West Bank claim Jawaher Abu Rahme was suffocated by tear-gas shot, by Israeli soldiers. The IDF maintain she died of an illness that she was already suffering from.

3) Ms Abu Rahme died on Saturday morning, but that is just about the only detail that is not in dispute. Her family in Bil'in and activists who took part in the weekly demonstrations against the separation fence near the village claimed that she had started suffocating after inhaling tear-gas shot by Israeli security forces at the demonstrators on Friday afternoon.

4) Demonstrations in Bil'in have taken place every Friday for the past six years, ever since the separation fence cut the village off from a large part of its agricultural land. The Israeli Supreme Court ruled three and a half years ago that the route of the fence should be changed in the village's favour, but the Defence Ministry has yet to carry out the order.

5) Twenty-one Palestinians have died in demonstrations against the fence, but over the past 20 months, there have only been a handful of light casualties, mainly due to changed IDF procedures.

6) An IDF officer said under condition of anonymity that "we received the medical reports from the Palestinians only after three days and they were full of inconsistencies. An earlier report has her leaving hospital on Friday with no serious injuries. There is no proof that she even participated in the demonstration and we have information that she was being treated for cancer."

7) Michael Sfard, an Israeli lawyer representing the Abu Rahme Family, said: "Jawaher was suffocated by tear gas, and she did not leave hospital before her death. She certainly did not have cancer."

Perhaps Anshel's article still doesn't give an absolutely clear answer. But if you're prepared to read it carefully, then re-read Mr Hoffman's version, you will see Mr H has not checked his sources honestly (perhaps he was overcome by his perceived smell of ordure...).

What's really important is that we read especially carefully paragraphs 4,5,and 7. They show there's a whole important background to this incident going back several years; mentioning the IDF's refusal to carry out the Supreme Court Order; the 21 Palestinians who've been killed and others injured during these protests; and the reasons behind these protests - the village cut off from a large part of its agricultural land.

I sincerely hope, dear friends, that you will consider this event and its history and begin to think how we ourselves would like to be treated like this.

COMMENTS

jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 15:56

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Hey Walinuts, you forgot to apologise for the blood libel. Now that we know that she did not die from the tear gas she inhaled (as anyone with a brain knew), are you going to finally apologise and walk in shame for a week?


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:03

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Posner we know no such thing grow up


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:06

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Where is Posner, Wheelchair? Show us your paranoia again!


Yoni1

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:15

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"the death of a Palestinian woman from tear gas"

Still lying his head of, this ghastly shit.


Jonathan Hoffman

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:25

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@Walinets, you piece of ordure - you going to apologise for your blood libel?

3 January you wrote: "one protestor, a 36 year old resident of the village, Jawaher Abu-Rahmah, was critically injured by severe tear-gas inhalation."

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?ID=202742&R=R1

"Jawaher Abu Rahma, the woman who Palestinians claimed was killed a week and a half ago by IDF-fired tear gas during an demonstration near Bil’in, died as a result of the medical treatment she received at a Ramallah hospital, the commander of the IDF’s Judea and Samaria Division said on Friday..... Brig.-Gen. Nitzan Alon said that the IDF’s conclusion was based on new medical documents it received from the hospital which indicated that the woman received doses of different types of medication completely unrelated to tear gas inhalation. Abu Rahma, IDF sources said on Saturday, did not actively participate in the demonstration, but was inside a house about 500 meters away from where it was held.....Alon and Brig.-Gen. Motti Elmoz, the head of the Civil Administration, will meet with Palestinian officials on Sunday to present them with the new evidence.

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Last Monday, the IDF said it assessed that Abu Rahma had died of medical complications unconnected to tear gas, adding that the medicines she received after being evacuated to the hospital last Friday were used to treat people suffering from cancer, poison or a drug overdose.

Alon said that the IDF’s assessment was reinforced later last week, after the military received additional documentation proving she did not die of tear gas inhalation. “Our assessments were proven during the week after receiving additional documentation from the Palestinians,” Alon said. “The documents and data we received show that the type of treatment she received and other medical aspects caused her death.”


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:29

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Unfortunately the great swell of opinion is that the cause of her death hasn't been determined and probably never will be

Alon said....Alon said....Alon said


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:45

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Not only Alon said, Wheelchair, but the 'Palestinians' also agree with it.

Too bad that you don't follow the links I post, preferring your red herring sniping.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:46

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So when are the 'useful' idiots going to apologise?


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 16:50

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Posner do you ever take a time out from ranting on this blog site to eat, sleep or even take a chit ?

Where is Posner Wheelchair? Do you ever dream of anyone else at night? Is he still out to get you?


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 17:03

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Posner who are these Palestinians you claim agree with it ?

And who said they agree with it ?


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 17:07

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lets get to the bottom of this " the palestinians agree " if posner can stay sufficiently focused for long enough


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 18:26

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Where is Posner, Wheelchair? Why do you always talk to Posner?
Is he another obsession of yours?


amber

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 18:27

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Walinets, you really are supremely stupid - and a libeller of Jews.

What a nasty piece of work you are.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 18:27

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Let's note that Wheelchair seems to speak for 'Palestinians' and disagree about them saying that tear gas never killed anyone in an open area.


Yoni1

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 18:46

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Now if only Walinets could get that through his stupid head - and lying, Jew-hating heart.


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 19:00

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Posner, Yonathan said that Alon said "The documents we received show that the type of treatment she received and other medical aspects caused her death "

Firstly, this is the only place I have heard about these " documents " But thats by the by lets assume for the sake of argument they exist.

Since we don't have access to them or have had quoted the precise text of them we are not able to make up our own minds on whether they do indeed show what Alon claims they show.

Now one is entitled to be cynical. And don't perleeze give me any " officer and a gentleman " crap. Army commanders don't just command armies on the battlefield they play a pivotal role in the inevitable propaganda and disinformation campaign that becomes associated with the armies activities. No one with an ounce of sense would believe an army commander pronouncing on anything sensitive related to that armies activities without pretty solid independent evidence.

Further you tell us that " the palestinians " agree with him. Who are these Palestinians ? Do any of them have names ?

I am afraid you are stuck with Alon said and those of whose whose sympathies lie heavily with the villagers of Bil'in are stuck with the villagers said

The reality is we don't know the causes of this unfortunate woman's death and since ( I assume ) she was buried very quickly after she died in accordance with muslim custom and practice we very likely will never know

I am afraid this particular propaganda spat will have to be declared a draw , no provision for a penalty shoot out


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 20:04

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Posner, Yonathan said

When was the last time you saw Posner, Wheelchair?


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 20:14

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bout 20 mins ago


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 20:21

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bout 20 mins ago

Really? Where was it, Wheelchair?


Armchair Quarterback

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 20:25

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at the pub he bought me a pint of guinness unfortunately chilled cuz that is how they like it in South Africa ugh


Yvetta

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 20:28

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Ah for a Fosters. Chilled.


jose (not verified)

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 20:29

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at the pub he bought me a pint of guinness unfortunately chilled cuz that is how they like it in South Africa ugh

How often do you go to the pub, Wheelchair?


Joe Millis

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 20:35

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How do you get to Cockfosters, Yvetta?


jose (not verified)

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 05:29

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Any intention to apologise for your blood libel, Walinuts?


Stanley Walinets

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 15:57

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Oh my God!
Why don't such commenters as 'jose', 'Yoni1', 'amber' and the rest of them above (who perhaps understandably hide behind anonimity)- WHY do not they EVER read what I've written but simply leap into their (often semi-literate) howls of insults? Do you people really sincerely believe that if you see any facts you don't like you can prove there's no truth in them by simply shrieking, and insulting, and even mis-spelling names (eg 'Walinuts') just like the kids in the playground did when I was at school? Is that how you believe truth can be found? Even Mr Hoffman spells my name correctly, though he regards it as a swear-word...

But look. I'm a patient man. So I have to point out that none of you - NONE OF YOU - have acknowledged above that what I've written there is simply quoting the article by the JC's Jerusalem correspondent Anshel Pfeffer. NONE of you seems to have even read it. Or perhaps you have, and have written to him to scream at him to stop being a self-hater...

I'll forgive you. Just read what he wrote and what I quoted. If you'll look at it again, I wrote:-
"Perhaps Anshel's article still doesn't give an absolutely clear answer. But if you're prepared to read it carefully, then re-read Mr Hoffman's version, you will see Mr H has not checked his sources honestly (perhaps he was overcome by his perceived smell of ordure...)."
I went on:-
"What's really important is that we read especially carefully paragraphs 4,5,and 7. (GO ON, READ THOSE NOW!) They show there's a whole important background to this incident going back several years; mentioning the IDF's refusal to carry out the Supreme Court Order; the 21 Palestinians who've been killed and others injured during these protests; and the reasons behind these protests - the village cut off from a large part of its agricultural land."

"I sincerely hope, dear friends, (I wrote) that you will consider this event and its history and begin to think how we ourselves would like to be treated like this."

Now - do it. Or forever give up any claim to have the ability Jews have for centuries been proud of, the ability to consider facts and think with wisdom.


Anonymous

Wed, 01/12/2011 - 16:59

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