Come and see Hajo - the Amazing Dancing Bear


By Jonathan Hoffman
January 24, 2010
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Professor Richard Landes has written far more eloquently than I can about the problem of Jews whose criticism of Israel not only oversteps the mark but feeds the current wave of antisemitism that began nearly ten years ago and is still gaining momentum. At every Israel-bashing meeting, for example, it is de rigeur to have a gaggle of Neturei Karta in a prominent position in the audience. They never say anything, of course, but George Galloway (or whoever is speaking on the platform – but it often is him) always thanks the “Rabbis” for coming and uses (or abuses) them to claim that the meeting cannot be antisemitic if they are there. That’s nonsense of course, as is the use of the word ‘Rabbis’ – none of them is a “Rabbi”.

This week – deliberately timed to coincide with Holocaust Memorial Day on Wednesday – a small group of such Jewish hypercritics is teaming up with the usual suspects to parade their performing trophy Israel-hating Holocaust survivor, Hajo Meyer, the length and breadth of the UK and Ireland. He started in Scotland and the first newspaper report has come out, including a quote from me.

Like some grotesque, ungainly performing bear in the circus, Meyer is dancing willingly to his ringmaster's tune, saying that Israel’s actions are the same as those of the Nazis, that Israel causes antisemitism and that “an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by Jews.” He may be a competent scientist and violin-maker but (like most such ‘trophies’) his knowledge of Jewish history and of antisemitism is poor (I have ‘debated’ with him). So please go along and question him, and protest if he crosses the line into antisemitism (Nazi comparisons are antisemitic, see the EUMC definition of antisemitism). In particular ask him the following:

-- How can you claim that Israel causes antisemitism when if it had been created ten years earlier, millions of Jewish lives might have been saved?

-- Making comparisons of Israel’s actions with the Nazis is a form of Holocaust Denial – how do you defend being a Holocaust Denier?

-- If it is Israel that causes antisemitism how do you explain the antisemitism of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who five years before Israel was created called on Arabs and Muslims to slaughter the Jews wherever they might be?

Times, dates and venues:

Today 7pm Cinema 5, Showroom Cinema, Paternoster Row, Sheffield city centre (opposite the Railway station)

Monday 7.30pm Quaker Meeting House, 22 School Lane, Liverpool L1 3BT

Tuesday 6pm Richard Hoggart Building, Goldsmiths College, New Cross, London, SE14 6NW

Wednesday 6.30 pm (but leave 20 minutes to get through the bag check) House of Parliament, Portcullis House (Boothroyd Room) Bridge Street London SW1A 2LW

Friday 7pm The Grosvenor Hall, 5 Glengall Street, Belfast

Saturday 7pm The Central Hotel, Exchequer Street, Dublin

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Clap Hammer

24 January, 2010 - 15:50

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Whatever did Jews do to deserve this type of holocaust survivor. The only perhaps positive thing about his participation is that Jews are like other nations with the positive and the negative.

The only defense is that Hajo Meyer is obviously deranged and must be so since he associating willingly with Antisemitism .and other social rejects.


Oy Va Goy

24 January, 2010 - 15:52

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I've seen Mr Meyer in action too. It's very upsetting, as is the joy with which antisemites 'use' him.


moshetzarfati2

24 January, 2010 - 16:03

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I think you'll find, Jonathan, that it was Ehud Olmert who said that Israel's actions were causing hostility towards Jews. Also, if making comparisons of Israel’s actions with the Nazis is a form of Holocaust Denial, what is disputing the survivor status of an individual just because you disagree with her politics if not Revisionism?


Jonathan Hoffman

24 January, 2010 - 16:17

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The Troll is trying to divert the thread but he has only succeeded in emphasising the message, which is that Jews who lived through the Holocaust are betraying history when they act as willing foils for the antisemites in these grotesque freakshows.

When refugees like Hedy Epstein misrepresent themselves as 'survivors' in order to give themselves more credibility with the gullible, they only compound the betrayal.

As AKUS observed, even Amira Hass - no friend of Israel - was careful in her commentary on this issue not to call Hedy Epstein a "survivor".

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1141085.html

"The older activists included Hedy Epstein, 85, a German-born American citizen whose life was saved when her Jewish parents sent her to England when she was 14. They later perished in Auschwitz. "


moshetzarfati2

24 January, 2010 - 16:20

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The Israel-right-or-wrong troll (an ad hom for an ad hom, boychick) uses Holocaust Revisionism when it suits his politics so he is the last person to talk about using the Shoah.


Jonathan Hoffman

24 January, 2010 - 16:37

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What is 'Revionist' about observing that a 'refugee' has falsely upgraded herself to 'survivor' for the sole purpose of vilifying Israel?

A "Revisionist" is one who purports to be what they are not....

You need to get a new dictionary.

We knew your History and Geography were suspect but it seems your English falls short as well.


moshetzarfati2

24 January, 2010 - 17:36

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It is Holocaust Revisionism, Jonathan, because it is revising holocaust history to suit political needs. As was shown in the print edition of the JC, you got it absolutely wrong about her status as a survivor. Another stoning success, eh Jonny? About for my history and geography, I doubt you get to my level of knowledge (did you ask your mates, Johnny and Colin about where the Middle East is?) and I am not the one who can't spell liar.
Shame about Arsenal's result, tho. Not.

As AKUS observed, even Amira Hass - no friend of Israel - was careful in her commentary on this issue not to call Hedy Epstein a "survivor".

As that appeared in the mutual self-importance watchsite, Cifwatch, it is hardly worthy.
But I'm glad to see you use Haaretz writers when it suits you, what with it allegedly being an "Israel-bashing" newspaper and all.


richmillett

24 January, 2010 - 19:13

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I'm with you Jonathan. The arguments of the far left are so weak that they have to label people "Jewish" or "Holocaust survivor" in order to try to strengthen their points.

They would love Moshe. They would advertise him as: "Jewish, Israeli anti-Zionist speaks out against Israel".

Moshe would be the perfect dancing bear. He should apply!


moshetzarfati2

24 January, 2010 - 19:22

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Poor you, Rich, falling for the Holocaust revisionism of those who like to belittle Holocaust survivors. By the way, I'm not anti-Zionist, just anti-the far right Zionist Federation.


Jonathan Hoffman

24 January, 2010 - 20:02

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You're the Revisionist! To establish the difference between 'refuges' and 'survivor' is correcting history - the opposite of Revisionist.

And wrong - the JC article established nothing of the sort.


tomeisner2

24 January, 2010 - 20:29

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Again Jonathan you write as if The Jews are the only people on the planet that count. How would you feel if you had been born a Palestinian?


gordon bennett

24 January, 2010 - 20:33

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Let's see now. This is what the experts told the JC:

WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY

Experts agree on one thing: there is no single definition of who is a Holocaust survivor.

Everyone agrees that it includes those who were in the camps and were caught in Nazi-occupied Europe from 1933 to 1945 But there are some who adopt a wider definition. [And that includes Hedy]

The Claims Conference in New York, for example, cited many different classifications from the German government about who could make a claim under different programmes and was therefore a survivor.

Lord Janner, chair of the Holocaust Educational Trust, was unequivocal: “If Hedy Epstein was on the kindertransport, she is a Holocaust survivor. What she is doing might be abhorrent and sad but kindertransport are survivors.”

Historian and Holocaust expert Professor David Cesarani said: “There is no single definition of a Holocaust survivor. It is technically more correct to describe those who came to the UK in 1938-39 as former refugees from Nazi persecution. But if they feel like survivors I don’t see why they should not be allowed to think and speak of themselves as such. Both terms, ‘Holocaust’ and ‘survivor’, have become woefully imprecise.”

Denis MacShane MP, chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry into Antisemitism, said: “My interpretation would be someone who has been in one of the death camps or prison camps.”

Baroness Deech said: “My first reaction would be someone in the camps or in Europe. But this woman would never have been on the kindertransport and had to flee if not for the Nazis, so I would say she is entitled to call herself a survivor.”

Deborah Lipstadt, who defeated a libel action from Holocaust denier David Irving 10 years ago, agreed: “It’s someone whose life was seriously disrupted by the Holocaust or had to leave Germany precipitously. However, in her case it has been milked for all it’s worth.”

So, Mr Revisionist, ain't that clear enough?


Jonathan Hoffman

24 January, 2010 - 20:47

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OK so let's get specific, Trolls. Epstein calls herself a 'survivor' in order to vilify Israel.

Ceserani: "It is technically more correct to describe those who came to the UK in 1938-39 as former refugees from Nazi persecution"

Macshane: "My interpretation would be someone who has been in one of the death camps or prison camps.”

YadVaShem expert, in conversation with me: "The Yad Vashem Definition of a 'Survivor' is someone who was in a camp or in Germany or an occupied country after the War broke out."

Amira Hess fails to call her a 'survivor'

It's you who is the Revisionist

And of course your 'whataboutery' is all about vilifying Israel because you have no answer to the charge that Jews who lived through the Holocaust are both betraying their brethren and denying the Holocaust by making their Nazi comparisons.


moshetzarfati2

24 January, 2010 - 21:13

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There are some Jews who don't agree with your far right views on Israel and you will sink to almost unfathomable depths to vilify them.
I pity you, but I am glad you are quoting the Haaretz writer Amira Hass just because she agrees with your revisionism on this point.
I really do love our conversations, Mr Revisionist Troll Hoffman (an ad hom for an ad hom), because you lose the plot so easily. No wonder the anti-Zionists think you are a star.


Jonathan Hoffman

24 January, 2010 - 21:38

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We already know that you are a proven liar ...

http://thejc.com/blogpost/british-jews-owed-apology

... so nothing you write has a shred of credibility, Troll.............


Yvetta

24 January, 2010 - 22:18

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Not sure I like your analogy with dancing bears, Jonathan, since those poor abused creatures are trained using hot coals beneath their feet - and are undoubtedly unwilling performers.
But I take your point.
These defamers of Zion are willing quislings.
All are odious, but arguably the most dangerous, apart from those who infest the halls of academia poisoning young minds with their bile, are those who use their real or avowed status as Holocaust survivors to paint dubious analogies regarding Israeli policy and conduct.
(Isi Leibler's current JC article re the Holocaust is in a way relevant; I commend it to Moshe).


richmillett

24 January, 2010 - 23:35

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I apologise, Moshe. I got you all wrong. So do you believe in a Jewish majority state where Israel currently sits without the return of the Palestinian "refugees" to Israel (apart from maybe a symbolic few)?


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 07:18

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These European Israel-bashers are nothing more than neo-colonialists, remaking Israel in their own image.


moshetzarfati2

25 January, 2010 - 07:30

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Speaking of neo-Colonialists, Jonathan, how are your racist friends at Yisrael Beiteinu (an ad hom for an ad hom).
Thanks for reminding me that you still owe British Jews an apology for trying the ZF's attempt to skew the survey.
Have you found out where the Middle East is?
At least you've learned how to spell "liar" -- even if it is libellous.


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 08:14

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moshetzarfati2

25 January, 2010 - 08:23

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Quislings, Jonathan and Yvetta? I thought that according to your favoured definition of antisemitism, using Nazi terminology to describe Jews or Israeli actions was, erm, antisemitic. So is it safe to say you are antisemities?


moshetzarfati2

25 January, 2010 - 08:24

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Plumbing news depths, eh Jonathan?


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 08:28

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"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis."

As usual you're wrong Troll.

It is not antisemitic to call them Quislings.


moshetzarfati2

25 January, 2010 - 08:37

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Using symbols or images associated with antisemitism to characterise Jews, Israel or Israelis
Revisionist Hofftroll (an ad hom for an ad hom) it is when it suits you. So you are as big an antisemite as those you vilify as such. Do you like it?


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 10:30

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"Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterise Israel or Israelis."

More lies from the defamatory Troll

http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antisemitism/EU-definition-of-antisemitis...

He can't even cut and paste!


iainlrabbak

25 January, 2010 - 10:35

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You know, Jonathan, what goes around comes around. What is coming around now to bite you on the bum is all the vilification, hatred and specially sinat chinam towards your fellow Jews that you spread around liberally. In Hebrew, it's called midah keneged midah (look it up). And, tell us, what's it like to resort to antisemitism to describe a fellow Jew?


iainlrabbak

25 January, 2010 - 10:38

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Calling someone a Quisling is antisemitic, to whit ``Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non­Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.''


richmillett

25 January, 2010 - 11:41

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errr....any chance of answering my last question please, Moshe?


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 11:49

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Look at these trolls queuing up to defend the foolish mendacious Survivor who blames Israel for antisemitism!


iainlrabbak

25 January, 2010 - 11:55

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Actually, Jonathan Trollmeister (midah keneged midah) it was Ehud Olmert who said that Israel's policies encouraged antisemitism, Is he a foolish, mendacious Survivor?
But I am glad you recognise at last that she is a Survivor.
All that vilification and sinat chinam must be going to your head…


richmillett

25 January, 2010 - 12:29

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I really don't think that Ehud Olmert is an expert on anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism is the oldest hatred so to blame it on Israel is a bit of a shallow argument.


iainlrabbak

25 January, 2010 - 12:31

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Olmert may not be an expert on anti-Semitism, but he is an expert on Israeli actions and their consequences.


DLeigh-Ellis

25 January, 2010 - 13:21

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Anti semitism may be the oldest hatred but that does not change the fact that current Israeli policy makes life tough for many jews whose sense of humanity does not align itself with Israeli militarism.

This is just like you Hedy Epstein rant JH, only this time the argument wont be stifled by the fact that Hedy was never in the camp.. Here we have another survivor whose experiences and personal tragedy you ridicule because of political differences. If Meyer claims that Israel exploits the holocaust then that is how his life has shaped his interpretation of events. It is not for you to question that.

You also claim that left-wingers are trying to 'remake Israel in their own image.' Let us not forget that Zionism was originally politically very close to socialism, the original kibbutzim were often run according to socialist principles, and they functioned mostly well. Israel has already been remade in another image, that of uncompromising Militarism, we are simply trying to reaffirm the intended ideals. Unfortunately as the centre has shifted to the right, us on the left are made to look further away than we actually are philosophically. Thus you invoke generic figures such as Galloway in order to tar the rational dissenters with the brush of populist sillyness.

The times they are a changing JH, stop writing propoganda and start engaging with those who challenge you.


richmillett

25 January, 2010 - 14:13

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Israel has moved on from Socialism of the 1920s and 1930s. The whole world has. Israel has a successful economy because it has moved on.

As for many on the left today they are an immoral bunch. They align themselves with Islamists who have no respect for women or homosexuals. Many on the left have compromised their own socialist principles just to take a stand against Israel and America.


DLeigh-Ellis

25 January, 2010 - 14:50

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Indeed Rich, I agree that many on the left are confused and to some extent, being seen as 'left' is fashionable.

But equally many supporters of Israel have found that they have compromised the values of self-determination and freedom from persecution that were so important to the early Zionists through blind adherence to an authoritarian hegemony.

The left have made some weird alliances in recent years, but so have the right. In the UK, the right wing, originally the bastion of libertarian, individualist freedom has seen itself supporting draconian anti-terror laws, the spread of CCTV like an epidemic and the modern notion that guilt precedes innocence (rather than the traditional ideal of 'innocent until proven guilty,' i know these are Labour policies, but that does not make them leftist, New Labour is practically as right wing as Thatcherism.

The world may have moved on from socialism, but perhaps the financial events of the last year might prompt us to reinvestigate the usefulness of some of those apparently outdated ideals.


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 19:12

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Liveblogging from the Liverpool meeting tonight:

Police there in force


moshetzarfati2

25 January, 2010 - 19:17

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In answer to your question, Rich
I believe in a two-state solution, whereby Israel relinquishes control of all the West Bank and most of East Jerusalem and that the refugee problem is resolved in Palestine. The lovely settler houses and cities will make ideal homes for the returning refugees. Or are they survivors?


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 19:29

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Liverpool meeting started @7.30

Antiracists being intimidated: organisers telling them that that they will have no hesitation in evicting them.

They are being filmed and police are there.


gordon bennett

25 January, 2010 - 19:44

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The anti-racists are being intimidated by whom, Jonathan? The Yisrael Beiteinu supporters? Are you there drumming up support for the anti-Zios again. They love you.


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 19:55

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about 100 there


Oy Va Goy

25 January, 2010 - 20:11

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You're a brave man Jonathan.


gordon bennett

25 January, 2010 - 20:39

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Brave? What with all his Yisrael Beiteinu racist friends? And what are you doing? Spreading some more sinat chinam to another Holocaust survivor with whom you disagree?


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 21:45

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It is getting hot there


Jonathan Hoffman

25 January, 2010 - 22:13

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The antiracists took them apart! Students, locals, Christian Friends - they all stood up for the truth. There were at least 25 antiracists there - a quarter of the total.

The racists were livid - they expected a free ride.

Kol hakavod to all who stood up for Israel and against antisemitism in Liverpool tonight


tomeisner2

25 January, 2010 - 22:42

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Just answer the question please Jonathan, How would you feel if you had been born a Palestinian?


richmillett

25 January, 2010 - 23:10

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Moshe, why give the Palestinans east Jerusalem? On what basis? Why not Ramallah as the capital?


raymee_jones

26 January, 2010 - 02:13

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Jonathan - you sound like a fanatic...

Two wrongs don't make a right...
Isreal are nothing like the nazi's calculated and cynical murder of entire generations of people - but the Isreali government have done many unwise things that have not been beneficial for international support (including over the top response to small rockets - with huge bombs and rockets - killing a disproportionate amount of people).
The past harvesting of organs (which, although admitting, they never apologised for)..
Three generations of Palestinian refugges living and growing up in camps.

The zionist's have hijacked the term 'anti -semitism' to mean anti- zionism (or even any comment that critisises isreali actions or jewish), it loses it's value if it's used willy nilly to defend anything that critisices Isreal or Jewish people for that matter.
The fact is in any healthy democracy you need to be able to critisise and hold people accountable.
The problem is Isreal, in it's methods is not (currently) a modern democracy.


moshetzarfati2

26 January, 2010 - 08:15

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Because, Rich, East Jerusalem is occupied territory like the rest of the West Bank and if Israel doesn't want the world to decide where Israel puts its capital, it behoves Israel not to decide where the Palestinians put theirs.


moshetzarfati2

26 January, 2010 - 08:18

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What anti-racists, Jonathan? You aren't on the side of the anti-racists because of your siding with the racist Yisrael Beiteinu. Was it the Yisrael Beiteinu mob who were livid? And Again you are conflating criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism, doing a disservice to the real fight against anti-Semitism.
However, the anti-Zionists think you are doing them a great service.


richmillett

26 January, 2010 - 09:55

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Moshe, you keep going round calling it "occupied land" but you have no legal backup apart from a few flimsy quotes here and there.

Israel's "occupation" is legally enshrined in the League of Nations and the United Nations and the Geneva Convention does not apply.

Raymee_Jones: The refugee camps are not Israel's fault. The Palestinians want them there. Once they are cleared up they will lose their so-called right of return to Israel. It is more complicated than just blaming it on Israel.

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