BUYCOTT at Ahava, Monmouth Street, London this weekend

"This is a Zionist Federation initiative."

- Just proves that all tspam's "predictions" about how ZF would now function, are about as valid as his political opinions ...

Join the buycott, but go on Sunday so as not to mix with the nasty group of bullies from the BNP/EDL.
By the way, this isn't "supporting Israel" per se, but supporting the profits of a cosmetics company.
Also, take a lot of money or clear your credit card, even with Jonathan's 10 per cent discount you'll still need a second mortgage to pay for Ahava's various lotions and potions.

Spammo won't be there, football is more important to him

I'll be there on Sunday. I won't go on Saturday like most Jews because I don't want to mix with the nasty group of bullies from the BNP/EDL.
By the way, this isn't "supporting Israel" per se, but supporting the profits of a cosmetics company.
Also, take a lot of money or clear your credit card, even with Jonathan's 10 per cent discount you'll still need a second mortgage to pay for Ahava's various lotions and potions.

Is the ZF condoning the Saturday buycott, Jonathan? A Jewish organisation supporting buying on Saturday? Is Ahava getting support from the Israeli government to keep the shop going? If so, then it is supporting Israel, if not then it is a private commercial enterprise that is looking after its own profits, nothing else. Oh, and before you start, there ain't nothing wrong with that.

The ZF is doing a number of good things, Jonathan, including fighting against institutionalised racism in Israel and helping with the battle against the BNP/EDL and its collaborators and useful idiots in the Jewish community.
But your uncharacteristic silence tells us that the ZF does not condone the Saturday buycott. So why not have it just on Sunday?

tspam, of course it's about Israel. The boycott haters are there because the company is Israeli - not because it's a cosmetics firm.

Supporters of occupation and oppression please attend this event.

Hi Zair, welcome back! Did you have a nice weekend?

Hey Matt, yes I did, thanks for asking, hope yours was good too ;) So, are you planning to attend this event in support of the occupation this weekend?

It's more then " just the profits of a cosmetic company"
as well you know.

Ahava is a metaphor for the state of Israel . The venal bunch of PSC ,ISM , " As a Jew " and the various antisemites who turn up every other Saturday see a closure of Ahava as emblematic of the eventual disestablishment of Israel proper and replacing it with a " One state for all " so called solution. Remarkable how Israel just happens to be the only nation state in the world that has its very existence called into doubt . No similar demands for actual tyrannies including at least 1/2 of all Muslim states. Thus it ever was and ever will be.

You Sam are just one more "useful As A Jew " whose shameful pronouncements are an invaluable assist and propaganda tool for those who work hard to see the demise of Israel. You Sam ,like the NK and JFJFP will be wheeled out at every hate fest going. The so called " Good Jews " . But be under no illusion , your ethnicity is only of use to them while there is a cause to fight. At the Islington dinner parties ,you will always be the shitty little Jew to the "Bien Pensant" of the left .

Maybe one day you will have an epiphany and realise the damage you and those like you cause to the Jewish people and their eternal home.

But make no mistake , however hard you try to subvert and undermine Israels existence ,be very aware that there are those of us who will resist your attempts 100 times more.

But the ZF is a Jewish organisation, irrespective of parts of its membership, and as such it doesn't condone Shabbat demos or purchasing on Shabbat, except in the case of Pikuach nefesh (which this obviously isn't). So Saturday's little foray isn't a ZF inititiative, it's a Jonathan one. Don't go on Saturday to stand with the BNP/EDL, buycott on Sunday.

Harvey, I'm quaking. Don't go on Saturday to stand with the BNP/EDL, buycott on Sunday.

TSpam

I note that you will be there on Sunday . Which side of the barrier will you be standing and under which flag .

No need to answer -purely rhetorical dear boy.

No need to quake Sam ,do what you do best and quack instead .

Buycotting, Harvs, old bean. Buycotting. (hint: it's in the 11:35 text)

Who are you kidding !

Its all in your comment @ 10.42

Indeed, Harvs,
Join the buycott, but go on Sunday so as not to mix with the nasty group of bullies from the BNP/EDL.
By the way, this isn't "supporting Israel" per se, but supporting the profits of a cosmetics company.
Also, take a lot of money or clear your credit card, even with Jonathan's 10 per cent discount you'll still need a second mortgage to pay for Ahava's various lotions and potions.

I'd like to know why the other upcoming events advertised on the ZF site aren't being publicised here, like this "buycott" is. Is Mitzvah Day and the other events not as popular as a ZF/EDL photo-op? Erm....never mind.

Interesting point, Iris, maybe the ZF isn't sanctioning Jonathan's demo after all. Perhaps people should be informed that it has no official communal sanction.

The UJIA switchboard has been instructed not to pass you over Jonathan, and they are doing a good job.

Hey, Jon, gotta new cut-and-paste function? The EDL is an offshoot of the Nazi, Holocaust-denying BNP. It was set up for useful idiots in the Jewish and other minority communities to stir up some kind of violence. But you keep on standing with them.

Oh, it's on their website. But there are other valuable events on it too. Just makes one wonder what the priorities are....feeding the hungry or this blatant self-promotion under the guise of promoting over-priced Israeli products. And before the analogy that Ahava represents the State of Israel is made again, democracy means the free market system is allowed to work and the best enterprises and products survive on their own merit, not this twisted version that the extremists seem to think it means. If the products are that good, a little advertising, good customer service, and adequate access will do...not some buffoon out in front yelling and screaming. But that would be too civilised, wouldn't it? Loyal consumers find a way to buy the products they want.

Jonathan, in light of the fact that it isn't heralded on the ZF website, has the buycott got ZF sanction? On both Saturday and Sunday?

"The UJIA switchboard has been instructed not to pass you over Jonathan, and they are doing a good job."

Liar. I didn't give my name

Nice one, Iris. Sorry I misunderstood. But a question remains: does the Saturday buycott have the ZF's sanction?

They know your voice, Jonathan.

Well, it's one of two things, then: either you are so minor that you are not known in the community or they do know your voice (from all the ranting and raving in which you indulge). It's the latter.

Well, it's one of two things, then: either you are so minor that you are not known in the community or they do know your voice (from all the ranting and raving in which you indulge). It's the latter.

But away from the distraction and back to the topic...Does the Saturday buycott have the ZF's sanction?

jon, stand with the BNP/EDL Nazis if you want to.

Does Saturday's buycott have a ZF hechsher?

Here's an idea, Jon. If the BNP/EDL is so community-friedly and kosher, you could always get your brother Shimon to PR for them.

sam,
Still waiting for you to present evidence to back up your obsession and assertions of the anti-semitic nature of the EDL.
Do you have any?

This comment by Jonathan Hoffman has been moderated

Great points, Harvey.
For the demonisers, Israel is Ahava writ large.

Harvey
Perhaps you will also have an epiphany one day? Is your last paragraph a threat? If so that counts as abuse.

Watchful Iris
You are so right. We have all been down the road of boycotts, counter boycotts etc. When I was young in the 60s. we felt it was wrong to drive German cars, wrong to eat South African fruit, wrong to go to matches were e.g. South Africa were playing cricket or rugby, Portuguese sardines were suspect etc. etc.
Today most of the world wants to see free trade with some safety nets for the poorest countries and the poorest workers in those countries.
Iris has made the point which if I may generalise from, there are a very large number of Israeli companies that trade in the UK to the tune of many millions of pounds worth of products. The UK and Israel have enjoyed highly successful bilateral trade for many years and will continue to do so.
This demonstration on Saturday has many undertones as well as overtones and is not simply as Mr Hoffman states to save one shop selling Ahava products from bankruptcy.
If it is, then surely all other outlets would feel that the Covent Garden store is getting preferential treatment from Mr Hoffman. On the other hand they may feel grateful if he stays away?

Spammo is not Makowsky and does not work for UJIA. If I call him the "L" word i get moderated (eventhough it is true!) so let's just say he is "ultra-economical with truth"

Mr Cohen why are you an apologist for the EDL. In your own words"The EDL has moved on from the early Union of Fascists, the National Front and the BNP."
Does that make them acceptable now? Your other remarks show you are prepared to make your enemies' enemy your friend. This is a very dangerous road to go down as the Jews in Nazi Germany found out when in the end the Nazis did not care who you were but if you fitted any one of many types that the Nazi heirarchy deemed were untermenschen, they killed you without any conscience. In the early days of the Nazi party in the 1920's many middle class and capitalist Germans supported them because they wanted to be rid of the riff raff including the "Eastern Jews", who immigrated in to Germany from Poland, Gypsies. Especially they feared and hated Bolshevism, which the Nazis equated with the Jews as well.
Be very careful who you associate with.

telegrmsam
I think you have got the EDL correctly summed up, and most sensible people in the Jewish Community in the UK will not give them the time of day. They are trying to stir up hatred and disguise themselves as also strong supporters of Israel. However to stage provocative demonstrations in places guaranteed to obtain maximum publicity for themselves and their cronies is a tactic Oswald Mosley and the Blackshirts used when marching through the East End of London in the 1930's.

Yehuda I don't think you quite understand the situation with Ahava.

For about the last 6 months or so the PSC / ISM have been staging noisy and abusive anti-Israel demonstrations outside Ahava's shop in Covent Garden. Please visit Richard Millet's blog to see videos of their behaviour. Jonathan has been organising counter-protests in which he hands out flyers and engages passers by and attempts to educated them and counter the lies which the PSC lot tell.

I agree with you about the EDL, as an Englishman I do not support them and do not advise others to. They are more anti-Muslim than pro-Israel and that is a dangerous and divisive path.

I should also point out that "telegramsam" has been working extremely hard to try and discourage Jonathan's counter protests and has been attempting to smear him with association with the EDL continuously for months.

I would say that Jonathan does more to stand up for Israel than anyone else in Britain today and he deserves utmost respect. I think the way the above mentioned user slanders and abuses him on these forums, under a pseudonym, is disgraceful.

I suspect "telegramsam" is associated with the BDS movement, and is here with his or her own agenda.

PS I've posted a reply to your thread about Israel's nukes.

I don't mind crossing a protest or picket line to buy a product I value, but someone trying to "educate" me would only serve to piss me off and the store would lose my business for being connected to such idiocy.

So, away from the distraction and abuse, it appears that the ZF has not sanctioned Jonathan's Saturday club.

Watchful Iris: People are standing outside this shop week after week shouting the most horrendous abuse at shoppers and shouting lies about Israel.

In principle, do you not think it is a noble thing to try and counter those lies?

I don't go to the counter protests because frankly I don't want to end up on a Youtube video on some hater's website. But I have complete respect for those that do, and they deserve our support - or don't you think they do?

So it's boycott Saturday, but buycott (if you can afford it) Sunday.

Moderators please do not touch Jonathan's posts: they are an excellent example of why he was beaten by Harvey Rose. Let them stand. He just does himself more and more damage.

Repeat: He is a stinking unashamed liar