British Jews mobilise for Israel


By richmillett
June 3, 2010
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British Jews descended on Kensington, London for an hour on wednesday night to voice their support for Israel over its worldwide condemnation after the deaths on the Mavi Marmara last sunday.

300 pro-Israel supporters draped in Israeli flags met near the cordoned off Israeli Embassy and waved signs which read “Peace activists don’t use weapons” and “End Hamas Rockets = End Blockade”.

They sang Hatikva and Am Israel Chai and cheered as cars sounded their horns in support.

The demonstration was organised by the Zionist Federation.

One black cabbie had “Am YIsrael Chai” stuck to his window as he drove by (see blog).

The boys from Chabad were there doing brisk business in laying tefillin on people (see blog).

There was a huge police presence to divide the pro-Israeli supporters from the 40 or so anti-Israel supporters, which included Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods (JBIG) and the International Jewish anti-Zionist Network (IJAN). But the anti-Zionists of the Neturei Karta had obviously taken the night off to go to the flicks.

There were rumours that the English Defence League might turn up to support Israel, but there was neither a skinhead nor a beer-belly in sight.

At the end the hundreds of pro-Israel supporters were escorted to the station under heavy police-guard, which isn’t surprising as they were assailed with cries of “Nazis” (see 2nd video on blog), “Racist scum” and “Long Live Hamas”, as they passed in front of the anti-Israel supporters.

They hit back quickly with “We support peace, you support terror”.

For pictures and videos:
http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/british-jews-mobilise-for...

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Blacklisted Dictator

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 07:28

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Well done British Jews.

I have handed my UK passport over to the Israeli embassy in SA (to be used on any future mission), so cannot get back. Now that Clegg has taken over, however, I am not sure that I want to. I will have to watch The World Cup instead.


Jon.

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:07

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As I understand it, there were quite a few EDL folk there. Shame, uneasy bedfellows at best.


zair (not verified)

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:51

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Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:54

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http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2007/04/tony-greenstein-in-three-easy-ste...

Tony Greestein (a convicted credit card fraudster as well as a hard left anti-Zionist) has another libellous post about me on his blog. I cannot blog on the JC blog as there are technical problems (the site has been attacked and is not yet back to normal).

Greenstein heads his blog with an outright despicable lie: "Jonathan Hoffman of the Zionist Federation Defends Joint Demonstration with Fascists". The rest of the article is in the same vein.

http://thejc.com/news/uk-news/32425/hundreds-demonstrate-israel-london

Let's get this straight:

1. There may have been EDL members in the vicinity but to my knowledge there were none with the ZF in the area enclosed by barriers.

2. The idea that I would defend fascism is despicable. For example when David Irving came to the Oxford Union in 2006 I led the opposition. I also oppose fascism on the far Left and from Jihadis.

3. The BNP and EDL have known links. The ZF will have nothing to do with either organisation. At the same time we have free speech in the UK - unlike in Gaza - and as Greenstein knows full well, organisers of demonstrations have no control over who stands in the road.

As a proven Stalinist, Greenstein clearly prefers to do things the Hamas way.


zair (not verified)

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 10:58

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Can anyone translate what these demonstrators are chanting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10b39WQHEQ0&feature=related


tomeisner2

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:25

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Support for Israel is slipping at a rate of knots. I meet Jews all the time who did the kibbutz thing years ago who now know the truth about the place.
As for non Jews, well most have lost any patience they might have had.
You are all out numbered and losing.


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:28

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"You are all out numbered and losing"

Sure. That's why we got 700 last night with only 24 hours notice.


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:55

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I did speak to a journalist to whom I said that there were known links between EDL and BNP. She was from a publication called something like "Race Today". I had not heard of this publication.

Please produce a link as you seem to know her. If she has misquoted me I want to know about it.

In the meantime I will not enter into dialogue with an anonymous mischief-maker on the basis of hearsay and innuendo. For all I know you are Greenstein


zair (not verified)

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 11:55

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'Sure. That's why we got 700 last night with only 24 hours notice.'

Well done Jonathan - the only thing it demonstrated was how far from peace the Israeli's and their apologists really are.


tomeisner2

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 12:04

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'Sure. That's why we got 700 last night with only 24 hours notice.'

What is the population of the world Jonathan, and how many have any time for what Israel does?
Also what proportion of the entire population of all the land Israel either controls, besieges, occupies, and owns has any time for them??


andrew_tolg

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 12:12

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Israel, Right and Long
By Quin Hillyer
"The American Spectator" (3 June 2010)

To Will Barrett, the main character in Walker Percy's The Second Coming, it was a perfectly reasonable statement and question: "The historical phenomenon of the Jews cannot be accounted for by historical or sociological theory. Accordingly, they may be said to be in some fashion or other a sign. Wouldn't you agree?"

Their temple was destroyed by the Romans, and their remnants were routed by the Romans at Masada. They were spread to the four winds, persecuted by pagans and Christians and Muslims. Century after century saw pogroms carried out against them. They were preached against, marginalized, disdained, blamed, enslaved, murdered. Yet they endured. They were subjected to Holocaust, yet they endured. Finally given a small sliver of a land, they were attacked from all directions by a confederation of enemies. And attacked again. And attacked again. And, in wave after wave of smaller attacks, attacked yet again and again and again and again and again and again to this day.

And everything was portrayed as their fault. When terrorists killed their athletes, well, the surviving terrorists were mere political prisoners, willingly traded in return for the freeing of a hijacked airliner and given a heroes' welcome when they touched down in Libya as free men. When Hamas fired rockets into Israel and the Israelis retaliated, well, it was the retaliation that was blasted by the United Nations and by feckless spineless bigoted Europeans. When they traded land for an Arafat promise of peace, only to have more war waged on them from the very land they had traded… well, wasn't it obvious that they needed to give up more land still?

Feckless spineless bigoted Europeans continue to be the bane of their existence. So do hateful murderous Arabs and Muslims, fomenting murder masked as religion, claiming jihad when engaged in nothing more than bloody mayhem that dishonors any just and decent God and would make an evil ape of any Prophet that would actually bless such a cause. (As the Prophet is obviously no evil ape, it is the cause and not the Prophet who bears the blame, for it is a false cause that the Prophet could not bless. Good and decent Arabs and Muslims, meanwhile, are marginalized by the murderers.)

And now, in four days, two new outrages are perpetrated against the Israelis. First, the United States -- itself led by a president too craven to call jihadist terrorism by its name, a president openly biased in favor of Islamists -- for the first time ever joined an international conference that began a call for Israel to renounce nuclear weapons, while making nary a mention of Iran's own nuke developments. Then, when operating in a blockade supported by Egypt -- a blockade perfectly reasonable that merely asks that ships loaded for terrorist Gaza be inspected for weapons before being allowed to reach its destination, and while its soldiers are armed merely with paintball guns and a stray pistol or two -- Israel rightfully defends its attacked personnel... and, of course, again finds itself treated as the pariah, the source of the fault, the instigator of the very mayhem it only seeks to avoid. Writing in the UK Spectator, Melanie Phillips rightly calls the developments "a global pogrom in the making."

Yet in all of these dreadful developments, we should not make the mistake of thinking that the state of Israel or the Jewish people are victims. In truth, as a people they are too proud and strong to be victims. As always, there is something that keeps them going, that will not give up, that will persevere and survive and, yes, triumph. Yes: "The historical phenomenon of the Jews cannot be accounted for by historical or sociological theory." The fictional Will Barrett was marveling at their hardiness, and wondering what their survival signifies. Addled by an imbalance in brain chemicals, Barrett nevertheless was onto something approaching existential truth. One need not read the novel to understand where Barrett's wonder comes from, and to understand why he thinks it must signify -- "in some fashion or other" -- something important and perhaps even transcendent. No mere theory, he thinks, could possibly account for so many, many, many centuries of achievement amidst unceasing strife. Achievements, yes: wondrous contributions in the arts, and in economics, and in medicine, and in commerce, and in science, and certainly in philanthropy. Only the mysteries of a particularly strong human character, backed perhaps in some wise by a covenantal God, can explain this "historical phenomenon" of a people so enduring and so often great and good.

Kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall. Leaders arise who claim their own rise is "the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and out planet began to heal." But those leaders, like the kingdoms, likewise will fall prey to their own egomania and internal hollowness. Those leaders, failing to support Israel, will find that Israel survives every Ozymandias the millennia dare throw at it.

The 19th Century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli had it right. "Yes, I am a Jew," he said to a critic. "And when the ancestors of the Right Honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." And Solomon, as we know, was wise.


Akiva

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 12:22

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"What is the population of the world Jonathan, and how many have any time for what Israel does?"

How about 80% of all Americans?

Numbers don't matter anyway, your arguements are getting more and more hollow as you fail miserably to dispute cold, hard facts.


Jon.

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 12:41

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Jonathan. Thanks for coming back to me on this and for trying to answer my question. Am I right in thinking that you WON'T in fact categorically refute Tony Greenstein's claims despite having earlier called them libelous?

As regards your point about 'anonymous mischief makers', I think that you may have missed the point about the internet. Looking at some blogs you frequent, (here, Harry's Place etc) most people tend to debate under a pseudonym (habibi, blacklisted dictator, etc etc). I'm sure you'll agree with me when you say that someone's name isn't important, its their ideas that matter. In fact I think you made a similar point relating to a Ben White event with CAABU.

For what its worth though I'm not Tony (it wouldn't matter if I were though, my questions would still be valid). My name's Jon, like it says here.


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 12:59

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"Am I right in thinking that you WON'T in fact categorically refute Tony Greenstein's claims despite having earlier called them libelous? "

Usual tactic, so boring .. "have you stopped beating your wife?"

"you won't deny it therefore you are guilty"

"you won't deny being a paedophile and a mass murderer so you must be one"

The hard Left anti-Zionists use these smear tactics because they lack an argument of substance.

And they never use their real names because they are cowards


Jon.

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 13:16

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Jonathan, I'd just like to have a debate with you, not a shouting match. Like I've stated my name is Jon (or Jonathan actually but Jon stops confusion).

May I ask, when you say "The hard Left anti-Zionists use these smear tactics because they lack an argument of substance." do you mean me?

I'd also be interested to know why my previous post was flagged as abusive...I thought it was quite reasonable.


mattpryor

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 13:41

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I think that the IDF were right to board the vessels, and Israel is right to impose the blockade against Gaza - in fact I think the blockade must continue until Hamas makes concessions to Israel or is removed from power. Anything else is capitulation to terrorism.

The British government should be supporting Israel in this, and I was very saddened to see Cameron and Hague doing the opposite in the house of commons yesterday.

The Western world is at war. United we stand, divided we fall.


mattpryor

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 13:46

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Jonathan:

With regards to the EDL, yes they have a bad press and are painted as a far right group. I don't know if that's the case for the majority of them, having never met any. I do know that many of them are passionately pro-Israel.

My nightmare vision of the future is Hamas supporting Jihadis marching through the streets of London. It already happened in Dublin during Cast Lead. The way our government is acting that seems like a real possibility. If that happens it will be people like the EDL that we'll be looking to to oppose them, because most of us will be bloody terrified.

Food for thought perhaps.


tomeisner2

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 14:42

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Andrew.
as far as I am concerned anyone quoting Melanie Phillips or fairy tales from the bible about a temple that probably never existed has lost the argument.


mattpryor

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 14:56

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Tom Eisner: You expose your complete disregard and contempt for what millions of people believe to be true. Personally I have a great deal of respect for what other people believe - you seem to have none.

Nobody cares what YOU believe to be true Tom - it's what the people involved believe to be true that matters and you have shown yourself to not give a toss about that.


tomeisner2

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 16:02

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Why should I believe in fairy tales?

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