British Islamists "protest" Pope visit


By mattpryor
September 24, 2010
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Not wanting to cause any alarm... don't panic... but please take a look at this video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8d3_1285202586

Islamist demonstrators (headed by the odious Anjem Choudary) shouted "Pope Benedict, you will pay, Islam is on its way", "Sharia is on its way", "Justice is on its way" (a lot is coming our way, it seems) and threatened that Sharia would be "declared" against all who insult Mohammed. They shouted to the Pope, "Watch your back," swore that he will "burn in hell" and claimed that he "deserves the death penalty."

My emotional response was fear and anger. It beggars belief that these people have the nerve to stand there shouting insulting slogans, knowing what they did in 2005 and what they support now, dressed up like terrorists, knowing full well the impact it will have on ordinary Britons. It makes me angry that the establishment, bending over backwards to protect their rights and sensibilities, do NOTHING to protect ours or those of law-abiding British Muslims who are no doubt embarrassed and ashamed by this lot.

By contrast: On the 9/11 anniversary a bunch of lads from oop norf decided it would be a good idea to burn a Quran and put the video up on Youtube. Not the smartest of things to do, and maybe not the most sensitive. But guess what happened to them? They got arrested. Double standards?

This sort of thing should not be tolerated by British society. This is not free speech, this is hatred and provocation. The State needs to develop a strategy to deal with it, and quickly. Otherwise it will lead to violence.

And to top it all I hear Ken Livingstone, defamer of Israel, poster boy for dictators and Islamists around the world, is running for election again. I fear dark days ahead for London.

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Isca Stieglitz

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 15:08

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I find any kind of aggressive posturing, of this magnitude, frightening - from any source.

I am frustrated by the 'seeming' ad-hoc application of the law; I noticed minute facial expressions in one police officer. How they remain so calm is beyond me.

The motive and tone is pretty clear to me.

Watching the video brought treason to mind:
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTextDocId=1038452


mattpryor

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 15:18

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Choudary is a publicity-seeker. He likes to cause offence to get attention. Look at all the media hype about his "planned" march on Wooton-Bassett. He even scored an interview with Alan Titmarsh (not that that's so much of an achievement, but still).

He reminds me of Ahmedinejad in a lot of ways. He knows perfectly well how shocked and offended most British people are by his antics and those of his fellow travellers.

But the State's refusal to stand up to these people and say enough is enough is just encouraging them and making them believe they can get away with whatever the hell they like.

I'd like to think that if I'd been there I'd have gone up to them and told them where to shove it. But then again that probably would have got me arrested.


Yvetta

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 15:29

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Didn't Tony Blair abolish the Treason Act?


mattpryor

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 15:41

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"If any person whatsoever shall, within the United Kingdom or without, compass, imagine, invent, devise, or intend to deprive or depose our Most Gracious Lady the Queen, from the style, honour, or royal name of the imperial crown of the United Kingdom, or of any other of her Majesty’s dominions and countries, or to levy war against her Majesty, within any part of the United Kingdom, in order by force or constraint to compel her to change her measures or counsels, or in order to put any force or constraint upon or in order to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament, or to move or stir any foreigner or stranger with force to invade the United Kingdom or any other of her Majesty’s dominions or countries under the obeisance of her Majesty, and such compassings, imaginations, inventions, devices, or intentions, or any of them, shall express, utter, or declare, by publishing any printing or writing or by any overt act or deed, every person so offending shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to be transported beyond the seas for the term or his or her natural life"

Sounds about right - orf with their heads!


Isca Stieglitz

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 16:33

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@Yvetta - found this nice little summary. All acts still in force except in 1998 the death penalty for treason was abolished and commuted to life imprisonment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7288516.stm

Hope this helps.


Isca Stieglitz

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 16:45

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Just noticed 'orf with their heads' :o)


Yvetta

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 18:00

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Many thanks, Isca! Now I'll be orf ...


Harvey

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 19:57

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Not strictly related to this post but which is relevant in a round about way postulates a school of thought which in essence states that it is the wrong tact to confront ,discuss ,negotiate or educate these people. Their backwardness and the fact that Islam is for the most part the subject of a terribly arrested development going back to the onset of the Caliphate is to their detriment and to the Wests advantage. That had the message, as preached by the likes of the individuals in this video and countless others like them been accompanied by the same degree of modernity ,learning and technological development achieved in the West ,we would then been playing on a level field so to speak and in a whole new ball game .

Expanding on that concept is the propensity for self delusion and outright mendacity on the part of the Arab world .A good illustration of this was the 6 Day War in 67.Egypt under Gamel Abdul Nasser ,through his generals was persuaded that Egypt was on the way to a great victory, and that the Israeli Air Force had been destroyed and that Arab forces were at that moment entering the streets of Tel Aviv. This persuaded King Hussein to enter the war . The reality was, as we all know very different . Arab forces were being routed .Israel allowed the Arab version to be maintained long enough to finish the job before the UN called time.

It is for all manner of reason, simply preposterous to think that through outreach and education can we bring these people onside. It is not wanted and cannot be achieved .Afghanistan is a good example.

Sadly I have long come to the conclusion that the best way forward is to maintain our advantages in all the spheres previously alluded to rather then rationalise the irrational.


Harvey

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 20:13

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I should add to my last comment that this is why it is so essential to prevent a state like Iran from achieving nuclear technology . The tyrants of Iran are empty vessels without teeth ,but should they realise their vision of becoming a nuclear power ,our way of life will be under constant threat .Iran is the first Muslim country to attempt to leave behind the shackles of their backwardness. Nothing wrong in that but in Irans case it is no different from the Nazis achieving nuclear power by the end of WW2.
It simply must not be allowed to happen.


stephenb

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 20:44

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wasnt papa benedict a member of the hitler youth ?


stephenb

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 20:50

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but this ia all part of the strange larger puzzle of why jews seem to think that " christians " are their friends and allies

Was it ever so ? Isen;t the christian psyche profoundly and necessarily anti semitic ?

Ha but western"democracies" are prima facie christian and Israel is the only western style democracy in the middle east, i think i get it now


stephenb

Fri, 09/24/2010 - 21:14

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I say these things as a good catholic boy whose mum would be mortified if i were seen holding hands with a presbytarian girl


ibrows

Sun, 09/26/2010 - 20:23

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Harvey

Your about as Bigotted as some of those your complaining about. You claim all Muslim countries are 'backward', this is deeply racist and ignores the fact that the Muslim world has produced significant scientific breakthrough in areas such as algebra and geometry. Furthermore, I know its probably hard for you to get your head around, but Muslim countries are actually very different, their different cultures, customs, histories and contexts MEAN THEY ARE NOT ALL ACTUALLY THE SAME. Just like, Jews who lived in America, are probably pretty different from those in Poland, and those in Israel.

You cannot attack a whole religion based on the actions of a few. For example, the clearly mad American pastor who sought to burn the Qur'an recently, is not, to my mind, representative of all 'Christians'.

These people Matt aludes to are extremists, but it must be remembered they are fringe groups, such as the US pastor, NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE MAJORITY

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