Better than Brent Cross...

The last time I was in Brent Cross they had escalators, can't see any in the pictures.

They do have stairs though, damn those pesky Gazans let's tighten the siege so that they have to use ropes to climb up floors.

Last time I saw, people were able to come in and out of Brent Cross at will. Not the same in Gaza.

You are grotesque joking about a similarity between Gaza and Brent Cross.

No one. other than a fellow war crime apologist, would support your obscene opinion.

It also seems to me that you take pleasure in the pain and suffering of the Palestinians.

newsmax?
What are you talking about?
Take a look at this for yourself:-

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001127.html

Or this one:-

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/gaza-residents-want-full-blockade-re-insta...

And this one:-

http://www.thejc.com/blogpost/crisis-what-crisis-oh-that-crisis

Places with a REAL humanitarian crisis:-
Congo, Haiti, Kyrgyzstan, Somalia, Sudan,Yemen & Zimbabwe

And yes,for zair's benefit it does have escalators.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/

They really are proud of it!
http://www.paltimes.net/arabic/read.php?news_id=115527

If the humanitarian crisis comes down to the fact that Gazans have no escalators, sorry but it's not much of a humanitarian crisis. I certainly do not minimise the pain and suffering of the people of Gaza but there is clearly no shortage of food, no mass starvation or desperate deprivation as their propagandists maintain. What there is is a lack of freedom and hope for the future, and that is down to their Hamas terrorist rulers.

Shortage of food is a fantasy. And those who believe in it are useless idiots (except for Hamas, for which they are useful idiots).

Miriam Shaviv

There may be food, but food prices are so high that the majority cannot afford much food and 80% are dependent upon humanitarian aid to supply them with basic foods.

It is very offensive to joke about Gaza on here and ignore the suffering of the population, that is caused by the Israeli blockade

the food that enters gaza is either cheap or free, so it's hamas's fault if the food is expensive in the shops

The Israeli blockade is restricting foods going into Gaza and forcing prices up - you can't blame Hamas for everything, Israel has to take its share of the blame for the consequences of its blockade

Amnesty International states: 'it is Israel, as the occupying power, that bears the foremost responsibility for ensuring the welfare of the inhabitants of Gaza'

http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/suffocating-gaza-israeli-bloc...

"The Israeli blockade is restricting foods going into Gaza and forcing prices up"

What you name "Israeli blockade" is in fact Egypto-Israeli blockade. And in fact, much more food entered through Israel than through Egypt (legally, I mean).

"'it is Israel, as the occupying power, that bears the foremost responsibility for ensuring the welfare of the inhabitants of Gaza'"

Is Egypt also occupying Gaza then? By "Amnesy"'s stupid definition, they are as responsible as Israel for the welfare of the inhabitants of Gaza.
While of course, the Hamas can bomb Israel in total impunity since they are not responsible of anything towards their own people.

Do you ever receive news from the real world, ibrows?

"food prices are so high that the majority cannot afford much food and 80% are dependent upon humanitarian aid"

Do you realize the incredible 'logic' you are presenting us?
There is a lot of food everywhere but hardly anyone can afford it? To whom these merchants are selling there food, then?
All this 80% is just a justification for the continued existence of UNRWA for 60 years. One of the most worthless UN organisations... And considering the other ones, that means really something.

ibrows: The Israeli blockade is restricting foods going into Gaza and forcing prices up

that's ridiculous … even if there is a shortage (which there doesn't seem to be), shortage doesn't raise prices unless the administration allows it

price control (or even rationing) is available to the hamas administration

if hamas doesn't use it, then either there's no problem, or hamas is permitting it for publicity purposes, and you should be criticising hamas

ibrows: Amnesty International states: 'it is Israel, as the occupying power, that bears the foremost responsibility for ensuring the welfare of the inhabitants of Gaza'

now amnesty is being ridiculous…
(a) that's not what the fourth geneva convention says
(b) hamas is quite obviously the administration in gaza, not israel

Some seem totally unable to adapt to reality. You show them malls replete with food and they continue to pretend that there is a humanitarian crisis, that the food is only for the 20% of the population that can afford it.
The fact is that no one ever died of hunger in Gaza or West Bank, because Israel's occupation is a humane as can be.
The fact is that Gazans are as well (as badly) fed as Arab citizens in the neigbouring states, and that means widespread obesity due to sugar and fat diet, in big uneducated families.
The fact is that life expectancy in Gaza is superior to that of the Arab citizens in the neighbouring states.

In other words, the "humanitarian crisis in Gaza" is a fantasy. Welcome to the real world.

loads of obesity in Gaza? can you provide any evidence for this fantasy? thought not.

Israel restricting food in Gaza, certainly raises food prices

"loads of obesity in Gaza? can you provide any evidence for this fantasy? thought not."

Sure, there is. Search for The Economist's obesity chart. It has been given on these blogs some weeks ago. I guess that proves you're a newbie.

What's incredible about that? Except that you ignore it, of course!
It is well known that uneducated families have many children and bad feeding habits as well. This is quite common in neighbouring Arab countries. And obesity is endemic, there.

Do you also deny that life expectancy in Gaza is superior to that of Jordan, a peaceful, unblockaded, unboycotted country?

Jose

have you ever been to Gaza, you make it sound like a wonderful paradise of a 'summer getaway', by totally ignoring masses of evidence that undermines your position.

''unemployment in the Gaza Strip is 38.6 percent, although in some Gaza districts, such as Khan Younis in southern Gaza, unemployment has reached 49.3 percent''

“Under the siege key sectors of Gaza’s economy, like the agricultural and industrial sectors, are not functional. Poverty and unemployment figures keep rising,”

''Unemployment amongst young people is particularly high, with 57 percent unemployment reported for persons under the age of 30. HALF OF THE POPULATION OF THE GAZA STRIP IS UNDER THE AGE OF 18''

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=280954

"Sixty-one percent of the Gaza population is food insecure," said Sarah Leppert, FAO's communications adviser for the West Bank and Gaza Strip. "There is a diverse range of foods available in Gaza; THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO PURCHASE THE FOOD DUE TO RISING POVERTY AND UNEMPLOYMENT, now nearly 39 percent."

''Israel's import and access restrictions continue to suffocate the agriculture sector in Gaza, directly contributing to rising food insecurity''

[http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/gaza_agriculture_25_05_2010_press_release_english.pdf] on 25 May from Gaza

"have you ever been to Gaza, you make it sound like a wonderful paradise"

Well, I'm pretty sure that you went to a Hamas summer camp. The kind they destroy when it it run by UNRWA and with mixed boys and girls. So what?

"THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO PURCHASE THE FOOD DUE TO RISING POVERTY AND UNEMPLOYMENT"

Hey, do you realize how ridiculous it is for merchants do DISPLAY FOOD THAT HARDLY ANYONE CAN BUY? DO YOU REALIZE THAT WHERE THERE IS NO BUYER, THERE IS NO BUSINESS TOO?

I think this is too difficult for you to understand, isn't it?

Miriam Shaviv

Tom Gross is clearly politically driven in his reporting. As previous articles such as 'the forgotten rachel's' reveal> In the article which tries to show that a play about Rachel Corrie in London is automatically anti-Israel progaganda as it doesn't mention other Rachel's killed in Israel. Likewise, Gross has tried to discredit Reuters new agency for reporting that was critical of Israel.

Lets be clear, Gross is politically driven and happy to try and ignore the humanitarian disaster and impact of the Israeli blockade of Gaza

ibrows
"Tom Gross is clearly politically driven"
What are you on about? they are just photographs, or haven't you bothered to look?

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001127.html

On your other point who else but an anti-Israel basher would bother to write a play about Rachel Corrie, an anti-Israel protestor?

It is you who is "Politically driven"" with your irrational and childish hatred of Israel and the Jews, as evidenced by your continual postings, (rantings), on the Guardian web site.

"the humanitarian disaster and impact of the Israeli blockade of Gaza"

Remember that you have been unable to prove that there was any humanitarian disaster in Gaza, while you totally neglected a real humanitarian crisis (starvation is deadly) in Niger?
Double standards are the typical behaviour of racists, as you know.
Then you also forgot, once again, that the blockade is Egypto-Israeli. But you don't blame Egypt of course... Double standards.

The comment - Gaza is like Brent Cross - at the top of this page reminds me of what the Germans used to do in Theresienstadt and other camps. Release pictures of 'happy', contented, well fed inmates that camoflague the brutality and dehumanisation that is going on behind the facade. Of course, the other similarity between those in Gaza now and those in Thereseinstadt then, is that neither can leave and both are being collectively punished.

'But that's the fault of the Hamas 'terrorist'', I hear you retort.

But was it Hamas that killed over 1500 people, including 400 children, in a two week time frame? Was it Hamas who murdered activists in International waters? Was it Hamas who shot Tom Hurndall - an unarmed photographer - in the head? Was it Hamas who dropped white phosphorous on hospitals and schools?

And what of the West Bank? Where is Hamas in the West Bank? But does that stop the illegal settlments or the walls built to dismember communities and to deprive farmers of their land? Where is Hamas when children are shot and young men are snatched during the night and incarcerated without charge?
Do Hamas man the hundreds of road blocks and the apartheid segregated roads?

Don't blame Hamas. The finger on the trigger is israeli.

"The comment - Gaza is like Brent Cross - at the top of this page reminds me of what the Germans used to do in Theresienstadt and other camps."

Very funny, tell me: where are the ghetto inmates? Doe the obese Palestinians look like ghetto inmates? Where are the epidemics that happened in Nazi ghettos? Typhus and tuberculosis? Where are the WHO reports?
On the other hand, we have a real humanitarian crisis in many other countries including a famine in Niger. That leaves the Palestinian-only supporters totally undisturbed.

Your racist analogy is a proof that you are a total ignoramus.

newsmax is right. This is a deeply offensive article that seeks to mask the real situation in Gaza. The Israeli blockade that has made Gaza the world's largest prison and caused such human suffering

It is clear that newsmax and ibrows offer the same imaginary account of "whatever the Palestinians do is right, and when it is wrong it's because of Israel, stupid!".

When will these people learn that racism is not the way to peace?

"This is a deeply offensive article that seeks to mask the real situation in Gaza."

The real situation in Gaza is that they are under the dictatorship of a religious Dark Ages terrorist group.

But I fail to see where that has anything to see with Israel.

since you asked a WHO report on Gaza

'2 June, 2010 -- WHO calls for unimpeded access into the Gaza Strip of life-saving medical supplies, including equipment and medicines, as well as more effective movement of people in and out of the territory for medical training and the repair of devices needed to deliver appropriate healthcare and respond to the population's humanitarian health needs'.

plus further evidence on how the Israeli blockade is stopping chronically ill patients from receiving medical treatment

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/15468E9ECF0E67CD8525774500595F24

My browser (Chrome) went a little crazy as I was looking at the http://www.gazamall.ps/ site Miriam linked us to, warning that the site includes infected files and assorted other nasties. If anyone is using browsers without a warning facility and/or an OS earlier than Windows 7 then you might want to run a virus scan should you download anything from the site.

No, I didn't ask for a WHO report on Gaza: I asked for one that showed epidemics of typhus and tuberculosis. You seem to be comprehension-impaired.
YOU COMPARED GAZA TO A GHETTO. PROVE THAT YOUR ANALOGY IS NOT JUST RACIST HATRED.

Israel has no obligation to treat Palestinian patients. But it does. Some terrorist send their children to Israeli hospitals then kill policemen the next week.

It is now clear that all what ibrows and newsmax have to offer is blattantly unsupported assertions and hate-filled propaganda.

No one ever pretended Gaza was a paradise, but there is definitely no humanitarian crisis there, thanks to the tons of aid that Israel forwards there every damn day.

On the other hand there is a humanitarian alert in Niger that Palestinian-only supporters never care to mention.
Double standards = racism.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/07/gaza-mall-video.html

Thousands of Gazans queueing at chekpoints - I mean checkouts - for food and water ...

There is no one suffering from a humanitarian crisis in Gaza

There is no one suffering in Gaza

There is no one in Gaza

There is no Gaza

'there is definitely no humanitarian crisis there, thanks to the tons of aid that Israel forwards there every damn day'

Any idea how much aid is required for a population of 1.5 million?

What do you say to the remarks of the Israeli adviser Dov Weisglass who said the siege would put Gazans "on a diet, but not make them die of hunger"

Can the people in Gaza travel outside their walled - up territory?

No, they can't.

Who built the walls?

Israel

Therefore they are imprisoned in a ghetto built by Israel.

Their imprisonment is Israeli policy. The complete destruction of their economy and the brutal manner in which they are regualy killed (as are those who wish to break the seige) is israeli policy.

Everyone acknowledges the barbarity of the seige (and the occupation of the West Bank) from politicians, to NGOs, to pop stars who boycott Israel, to peace groups, to Italian supermarkets that ban settlement goods in their stores, to Swedish dockers, to British trade unionists, to South African clerics . . . the list is really endless.

But according to Miriam Shaviv and J Hoffmann it's all a charade. The world is deluded, Israel is the most benign place on earth and the Palestinians are really over - fed, lay abouts who deserve all the punishment they are receiving. And Israel deserves to dish it out (to a defenceless, trapped people)

Very righteous. Very brave.

yankeeuxb
The world is not deluded. They know exactly what Israel is doing. Don't worry the clock is ticking and the big hand is getting near 23.

" ...the big hand is getting near 23"

That's about as well-informed as your comment on the rape case yesterday from which you slunk away in disgrace.

First no clock with a big hand has a '23' on it. The '11' stands for both 11am and 11pm.

Second even if it did, a big hand on '23' is a bizarre concept because the big hand counts the minutes - not the hours - and it would mean the hour was divided into 24 units - that is 2.5 minutes per unit.

Third a big hand on '23' would tell us nothing whatsoever about the hour. It could be 57.5 minutes past midnight, or 01:57.5,or 02:57.5 ... you can complete the progression yourself.

G-d gave you a brain - why not use it?

Best wishes
Jonathan