BDS update (the reality)


By Anonymous
November 26, 2010
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Israel :

In the past few years there has been an unprecedented inflow of foreign investment in Israel, as companies that formerly shunned the Israeli market now see its potential contribution to their global strategies. In 2006, foreign investment in Israel totaled $13 billion, according to the Manufacturers Association of Israel.[9] The Financial Times said that 'bombs drop, yet Israel's economy grows'.[20] Moreover, while Israel's total gross external debt is US$84 billion, or approximately 44% of GDP, since 2001 it has become a net lender nation in terms of net external debt (the total value of assets vs. liabilities in debt instruments owed abroad), which as of June 2009 stood at a significant surplus of US$54 billion.[21][22]

The Israeli economy withstood the late-2000s recession, registering positive GDP growth in 2009 and ending the decade with an unemployment rate lower than that of many western countries.[1] There are several reasons behind this economic resilience, for example, the fact, as stated above, that the country is a net lender rather than a borrower nation and the government and the Bank of Israel's generally conservative macro-economic policies. Two policies in particular can be cited, one is the refusal of the government to succumb to pressure by the banks to appropriate large sums of public money to aid them early in the crisis, thus limiting their risky behavior. The second is the implementation of the recommendations of the Bach'ar commission in the early to mid-2000s which recommended decoupling the banks' depository and investment banking activities, contrary to the then-opposite trend, particularly in the United States, of easing such restrictions which had the effect of encouraging more risk-taking in the financial systems of those countries.[23]

Zair, Tspam, Yehuda, yankeeuxb: don't cry! Reality is much better than your delusions anyway.

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telegramsam

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 12:35

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Jose, thank you for letting me point out again that I was the first person here to criticise yankee's original posting on BDS, saying that it wasn't working because Israel's economy and industry were thriving.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 12:42

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No you were not the first as I tipped you many times about it. Not only it is not working, it is having the contrary effect. Israel's economy is every year less vulnerable to boycott as it progresses in fields that cannot be boycotted, mostly high-tech and military technology.
Cultural boycott is a stupidity that is akin to investing in Israel instead of divesting. Instead of calling for cultural boycott, the antisemites should call for more foreign groups to play in Israel so as to deprive banks and government from all the money Israeli pay for the music. But their economy comprehension is as impaired as the rest of their skills.


mattpryor

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 12:55

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Jose: The good will of the silent hundreds of thousands easily counters the ill will of the radical few.


zair (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 13:01

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'Zair, Tspam, Yehuda, yankeeuxb: don't cry! Reality is much better than your delusions anyway.'

I am not crying,I wish the state of Israel and its people well. My concern is for the millions who live under occupation and injustice. BDS is a tool to highlight their plight.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 14:19

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My concern is for the millions who live under occupation and injustice.

Then boycott HAMAS, next time, as they are those who occupy and oppress your people.

Double standards are a sure sign of antisemitism.


mattpryor

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 14:24

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Or boycott Lebanon who routinely smash up refugee camps to clear out terrorists hiding in them and deny UNRWA refugees even basic rights.

Or boycott Jordan that has stripped its (majority) Palestinian population of citizenship and denies them the right to work or own property.

Or boycott Quwait, who have forcibly evicted their Palestinian populations.

But of course you won't do any of that, because for you it's all about the Jews. But nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

Pull the other one.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 14:28

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Jose: The good will of the silent hundreds of thousands easily counters the ill will of the radical few.

Let's hope not, Matt. I'm quite happy with the cultural boycott which prevents Israelis from stupidly giving their money to foreign groups. I prefer this money to invest in the country and fund Zionist projects, such as new cheap desalination techniques (who will boycott that, Arab countries? Great!), electric cars with solar energy-charged batteries (who will boycott that in the West?), anti-missile technology to protect civilians from terror rockets (who will boycott that, Muslim countries? Great!), etc. The list is long. Israel cannot be boycotted once it will be self-sufficient in energy and water. And anyway, today's boycott is at the expense of the boycotters.
This will be soon accomplished, in five-year time.


mattpryor

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 14:43

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It certainly hurts Britain more than it hurts Israel. As I said with regards to the Tindersticks cancellation, the only people that suffer are the band, the venue and their fans in Israel. The venue probably won't care because it's a very popular place and I'm sure they'll fill the slot with another band.

At the end of the day Israel is one of us, and attacks of this nature against Israel are attacks against Britain.


zair (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 15:11

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@jose
'Then boycott HAMAS, next time, as they are those who occupy and oppress your people.'

Please direct me to the site which shows me how to do this, considering Israel doesn't allow any exports out of Gaza I think there might be a small problem with this.

Please also direct me to the relevant UN resolution demanding withdrawal of Hamas from occupied Gaza.

'They' are not 'my' people. In this century we should not only be concerned with the plight of 'our' people.

Idiot.


mattpryor

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 15:20

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"Please direct me to the site which shows me how to do this, considering Israel doesn't allow any exports out of Gaza I think there might be a small problem with this."

It's easy, you just support Israel and Egypt's attempts to contain Hamas (or make them behave). By supporting boycotts against Israel you are indirectly giving a free pass to Hamas, who oppress the people of Gaza far more than Israel ever has.

"Idiot."

That's not very nice.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 15:38

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Please direct me to the site which shows me how to do this, considering Israel doesn't allow any exports out of Gaza I think there might be a small problem with this.

Very simple: demand that UNRWA be dissolved as it is the main supplier of Western money to HAMAS.
Ask also that they immediately release Gilad Shalit, who was taken as hostage and denied every Geneva Conventions rights.
Also pledge to support Israel while HAMAS won't be totally dissolved.
In other words, do as I do!

Idiot.

Who is the idiot here: the one who tries to boycott a democratic country like Israel and favors a terrorist racist apartheid one like the 'Palestinian' territories?

Don't bother to answer: the question is totally rhetorical.


zair (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:03

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I take back idiot ;)


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:19

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I take back idiot ;)

You would not know what to do with it anyway.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:22

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Please also direct me to the relevant UN resolution demanding withdrawal of Hamas from occupied Gaza.

Who needs any UN resolution to remove a terrorist group from the territory they occupy (Gaza)?

I remind you that Gaza is no more under Israeli occupation. Something that probably escaped you weak wits in 2005.
More than five years for an information to get to your brain. You should really see a specialist.


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:24

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zair, where else in this world do you boycott?


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:28

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'They' are not 'my' people. In this century we should not only be concerned with the plight of 'our' people.

So you are also concerned about the plight of the 'Palestinian' people under the terrorist regime of HAMAS?
Where did you show that concern, lately?

The worst thing that happened to 'Palestinians' is the HAMAS... But wait, they voted for them, didn't they?
So, as I do not care for the ills that befell the Germans under the Nazi regime they elected, I don't care about the ills brought by the democratic election of HAMAS unto the 'Palestinian' people who elected them.
I am much more concerned with the plight of those who did not vote for them and yet paid for it, namely the people of Sderot, Gilad Shalit, and many others.


zair (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:39

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@jose
'I remind you that Gaza is no more under Israeli occupation. Something that probably escaped you weak wits in 2005.'

Derr, who controls the land, sea & air borders? Can Gazans leave and enter their territory at anytime? Can Gaza export any goods? And before you say it yes I know they share a border with Egypt who are just as much to blame.


Yoni1

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:42

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"Derr, who controls the land, sea & air borders?"

Egypt.

Now piss off.


zair (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:43

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@amby 'zair, where else in this world do you boycott?'

Being civil now are we? That soap and water obviously did the trick.

In answer to your question plenty of other despicable regimes. Happy?


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:43

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zair, do you boycott Egypt? Are you part of a campaign to boycott Egypt?

Where else in the world do you boycott?

Is Israel obligated to maintain an open border with an entity which is officially committed to destroying it and exterminating the Jews worldwide?

Take you time.


Yoni1

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:44

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"zair, where else in this world do you boycott?"

Oh, he boycotts ALL Jewish countries. He hates ALL Jews.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:44

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Exactly Yoni: Zair fell in the trap I set up for him.

Please note that Zair does not criticize Egypt for doing exactly the same thing as Israel (not really: Israel is delivering a lot of humanitarian aid to Gaza).
Nor does he blame the UN for its total embargo on HAMAS, the elected party of the 'Palestinians'.


Yoni1

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:45

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"Is Israel obligated to maintain an open border with an entity which is officially committed to destroying it and exterminating the Jews worldwide?"

Any other country, no. But he is happy to make an exception in the case of those pesky Joos.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:48

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In answer to your question plenty of other despicable regimes. Happy?

How many of these countries are democracies? Give their names!
Is it China? Saudi Arabia? Iran?

And where can we see the many messages you write in favour of these boycotts? In other words, what else do you have, apart from your usual lies, to prove what you say?


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:55

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Not only do these idiots not boycott anywhere else, they equate Israel with places like North Korea, Iran, Syria and Hamastan (Gaza). In other words, the hypocrisy is twofold. Firstly, that such a comparison is utterly obscene. Secondly, they don't boycott these terrible places - only liberal, democratic Israel.

And they think we can't see through them.

Well zair, we're waiting for an answer.


zair (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:06

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Oooh jose you're soooo clever setting traps I must watch out in future.


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:11

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Zair, why not answer the question?


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:11

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See how zair is trying to escape answering who else he boycotts. He does not ignore, from the bottom of his heart, that Israel is totally different from any other country worthy of boycott, such as China (the brutal occupier and destroyer of Tibet), Turkey (the brutal occupier of north Cyprus, a EU country that it ethnically cleansed and walled), Egypt (the brutal Mubarak regime, that does very little to prevent pogroms against Copts).
Only an idiot could say that China occupies Tibet to protect itself agains Tibetan terrorism, that Turkey occupies Cyprus to protect itself against Cypriot terrorism, that Muslims protect themselves against Copt terrorism, etc.
In other words, their occupation and repression cannot be morally justified. While Israel's occupation is the only way to defend itself against 'Palestinian' violent means.

Remember than the 'Palestinians' never renounced violence, and so never fulfilled the first step of the so-called road map, whether Israel realised many of them, including evacuating Gaza.
Remember that the Charters of both HAMAS and Fatah still call for violent struggle against Israel.

Remember that double standards is a sure sign of antisemitism.


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:13

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Oooh jose you're soooo clever setting traps I must watch out in future.

Don't bother, you will fall in every one of them no matter how hard you try, including trying to evade answering to the questions.


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:27

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Come on zair, it can't be that difficult!


Yoni1

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:05

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To be fair, how can an antisemite answer this without making his antisemitism even more obvious (if such a thing were possible)?


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:11

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zair's gone all shy...


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:21

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It should be easy, zair, to show us all the traces you left on Internet, about all these countries you wish others to boycott. Internet remembers every damn thing you write, and timestamp it.
Show us all the time you must have spent calling for boycott of China, a major (if not the major) human rights' offender. Let's take an example: you know that the Peace Nobel Prize went this year to a Chinese prisoner. Tell us where you called for him to be liberated. Show also where you called China to evacuate Tibet, where you called Turkey to evacuate Cyprus, where you called for Iran to stop their nuclear escalation... Should be easy!


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:34

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And thus the transparent hypocrisy of zair is exposed for all to see.

You have lost all credibility zair.


Yoni1

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:38

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Why, did he ever have any?


jose (not verified)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:45

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Yoni, amber: Zair is a hater of the worse kind. Let's expose him as the unrepentant antisemite he is.

Zair! Where are those boycott calls you made on the Electronic Intifada, VivaPalestine, EuroPalestine websites? Please show us anything ressembling a condemnation of China, North Korea, Iran, Hezbollah, HAMAS, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, etc. Your choice is immense. We you'll have finish, we'll talk about Israel...


Yehuda Erdman

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:34

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Jose
It was not clear from your original post what the connection is between the strength of the Israeli economy and BDS. You also hinted that the rate of unemployment in Israel was lower than in some other countries, which would be a positive marker. However there are some negative ones too. The poverty level in Israel is increasing and especially the statistic on the number of children living in poverty. There is also an increase in homelessness, alcoholism, taking drugs, trafficking in women and other criminal activity.
You also need to note that the gap between the very rich and the very poor is wider in Israel than other comparable nations. This means that some individuals are profiting from the economic policies of this Government but a much larger number are not coping with e.g. cuts in benefits and other free market moves.
Bilateral trde with the UK is at an high and this is very welcome obviously but Israel also trades with other EC countries. In fact the EC is the biggest market for Israel.
What did you mean by "Yehuda don't cry"? I want the Israeli economy to strengthen but even more important in the eyes of e.g. Tony Blair and Shimon Peres is to strengthen the economy of the West Bank so that the rate of unemployment amongst young Palestinians will fall and thus introduce some hope in to their lives as well as their families.
Fortunately the policy of Salam Fayad and the Palestinian Authority has resulted in a boom in the West Bank and this is one of a number of hopeful signs.


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:45

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zair - the individual who can't defend his own actions.

Pathetic zair.


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:46

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zair - the individual who can't defend his own actions.

Pathetic zair.


amber

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:46

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zair - the individual who can't defend his own actions.

Pathetic zair.


jose (not verified)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:48

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The poverty level in Israel is increasing and especially the statistic on the number of children living in poverty.

Far from me the idea that everything is beautiful in Israel.
There is indeed poverty... As in any developped country (see UK, see USA, see France).
Israel has a problem with the state-supported haredi bunch. They have lots of children and live in poverty. That is where the economic settlers are recruited and that is a secondary problem (I mean a consequence of a primary one, not implying that it is a minor one).
But considering all the money Israel has to spend because of its aggressive neighbours, they perform wonderfully. BDS is a pure failure, like those who support it.
In five years, Israel will export desalinated water to all the neighbours that need it. In a few years, a significant percentage of cars will be electric, gas and oil production will make Israel self-sufficient in electricity further limiting the deficits.

Prospects are very good! In 30 years, the BDS bunch will be 90-year-old hippies and there won't be many 'Palestinian' refugees as the youngest would be 92. So the 'Palestinian' right of return will be solved too. UNRWA will disappear and the problems it contributed to perpetuate too.
Only 30 years left !


jose (not verified)

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:49

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Zair! Where are those boycott calls you made on the Electronic Intifada, VivaPalestine, EuroPalestine websites? Please show us anything ressembling a condemnation of China, North Korea, Iran, Hezbollah, HAMAS, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, etc. Your choice is immense. When you'll have finish, we'll talk about Israel...


zair (not verified)

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:51

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My my, you leave work a bit early and don't check the comments on a blog over the weekend and you become the whipping boy of the Israeli Apologists Brigade.

jose, amby & Yoni0.5, it is none of your business what else I do, I am talking HERE about Israel, in response to the OP.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend this? I choose where I comment, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

BTW which of you Hasbara has beens have been contacted by Israeli officials to become the new apologists, sorry I mean 'advocates' for Israel?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/israel-citizen-advocates-eur...


zair (not verified)

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 11:58

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Interestingly, in the article mentioned above, the columnist also mentions that Rwanda has used similar tactics in the past to cover its shocking actions.

Is this what is meant by treating Israel no differently from other countries? If so then we definitely need more of this.


zair (not verified)

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 12:28

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I can just imagine frantic flicking through the pages of the 'Dummies Guide to Hasbara'.

Don't worry I've got the relevant section here, in fact this is the entire book.

Q1. What to you do when Israel is criticized?

A. Cry anti-semite, this normally does the trick.

Q2. What if this doesn't work?

A. See answer to Q1.


Yoni1

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:13

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Zair: only lies when his lips or fingers move.

Antisemitic tosser.


Yoni1

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:15

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"jose, amby & Yoni0.5, it is none of your business what else I do"

It certainly is, when you focus on Israel pathology like all your sick and sickening ilk.

"Why is it so difficult to comprehend this? I choose where I comment, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it."

And we can tell you to bugger off. So stick that in your pipe and choke on it.


Yoni1

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:16

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Pathologically, sorry.


zair (not verified)

Mon, 11/29/2010 - 13:21

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Eloquent as ever Yoni0.25

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