Bathurst-Norman Censured for Political Bias in EDO Trial


By Jonathan Hoffman
October 7, 2010
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http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/39096/anti-israel-activist-acquittal-j...

As a result of this politically biased Judge, thousands of taxpayer pounds have been wasted and the criminals who vandalised the EDO factory walked away scot free. Let the disgracing of this Judge be a lesson to any other Judges who similarly encourage the delegitimisation of Israel. The Judge or magistrate who tries the case of the vandals who committed aggravated trespass at the Ahava shop in London on Saturday must punish them with the full force of the law.

My blog on the Judge's summing up back in July is here:

http://cifwatch.com/2010/07/14/the-judge-who-thought-he-was-defence-coun...

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Isca Stieglitz

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 13:39

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I'm glad I took your advice on the blog to 'complain'; sometimes it does work and I was very impressed with the complaints office. They kept me informed every step of the way.

Now the verdict is in question and I also wonder if this will get national publicity in line with the amount of publicity the original case got.


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 13:44

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Yeah I await The Grauniad's coverage ... don't hold your breath ...


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 14:06

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Yvetta

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 16:24

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Great! Standpoint magazine is wonderful.


raycook

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 17:10

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Jonathan, Isca and all those who took part in this campaign deserve a huge pat on the back.

So does the criminal justice system for recognising the egregious conduct of Bathbun-Fruitcake.


Yvetta

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 17:14

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Yes, it's a vindication of Jonathan's great work in obtaining that transcript ...


telegramsam

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 17:29

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Guys, let's not go overboard here. The transcript was available to everyone. It was an open court after all.


Jon_i_Cohen

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 17:34

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My MP-Bob Blackman has been excellent in following this through on my behalf, I/we have a raft of correspondence from Lord McNally "the man at the top" in the Justice Deprtment.
Next, we are going for a re-trial.
Watch this space.


Yvetta

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 17:45

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telegramsam, fair dues to Jonathan - he had the energy and foresight actually to obtain a copy, to shell out fot it, to pore over it, to report on it.
I would say that he behaved like a bulldog, if I am not already on record as calling him leonine ...
;~)


telegramsam

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 17:51

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Lots of people got hold of the transcript--it was free and freely available-and pored over it. It weren't a solo effort. Joshua Rozenberg should be credited with most of the work.


telegramsam

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 17:52

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Never heard of Standpoint, by the way


Yvetta

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 17:57

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It's been going for a fairly short time, but is getting better known gradually. It's a "Commentary" sort of thing. It's very well-produced and I think it's connected with the Social Affairs Unit, loosely.


stephenb

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 18:19

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A couple of jaw dropping bits in Joshua Rozenbergs pies.

" The remarks were deeply offensive to supporters of Israel and supporters of the truth GENERALLY "

i.e Israel is a particular truth and then there is truth generally

Israel is a truth Israel is THE TRUTH

dear god

" Many will have felt insulted by what the judge said about their CO-RELIGIONISTS "

Joshua obviously feels that Israels non jewish population have really anything to do with Israel at all.Unless he feels that muslims will feel insulted by what the judge said about their Israeli co religionists.

But I dont think he does mean that.

Do you ?


amber

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 18:53

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Excellent news! Is a retrial automatic?


amber

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 18:55

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steohenb, the racist antisemite who talks of "bursting Jewish bubbles", who maintains Jews encourage steroetypes of themselves, accept 30 pieces of silver and require Jesus to turn over tables, has an opinion.

Like anyone would care.


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 19:04

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Amber

There will be no retrial. Once acquitted, criminals stay acquitted, even if it is obvious to all and sundry that they are guilty - as in this case.

There is no 'double jeopardy' in the UK

There is in the US


telegramsam

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 19:34

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Jonathan, with respect and as a friendly warning - honestly -- claiming someone is guilty after they have been found not guilty is libellous.
JC -- it is probably better if you removed Jonathan's comment since by publishing his allegation you are party to the libel.


Yvetta

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 19:41

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Philocetes = another Jew-baiter crawled out from under a stone.
JC, get these Jew-baiters OFF.


Philocetes (not verified)

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 21:03

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AS A JEW of conscience, I find your vile accusations that I am a "Jew-baiter" offensive. I am merely expressing a more sensible point of view than Jono.

Your post says more about you than it does about me.


Yvetta

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 21:34

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Philocetes, I apologise for offending you.
But I cannot accept that the bullyboy tactics of the defendants is a matter of good conscience.


Philocetes (not verified)

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 22:22

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Apologies accepted Yvetta.

However, the so-called "bullyboy tactics" were necessary, as sometimes its up for people of conscience to act when the forces of law and order fail to do their job. They succeeded in bringing the wrongfullness of EDO/ITT into the public arena and eventually succeed in getting that 'orrible company closed down.

The noble activists who are campaigning against Ahava are also rightfully doing the job of "motivating" the authorities into acting. It's only a matter of time before EDO and Ahava are history.

History is a hard taskmaster; those who do not LISTEN to history, become the VICTIMS of history.


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 22:31

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yes you are a Jew baiter


Jonathan Hoffman

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 22:37

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Spammo

1. No the transcript was not freely available. It had to be bought.

2. Your comment about libel is drivel

3. I have investigated you and I am wondering whether you do work for UJIA, I am now doubtful. If not, you are bringing the organisation into disrepute.

4. A number of people are on your case, make the most of your limited time here.

5. I think you may well be Tsarfati.


amber

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 22:49

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Philocetes argues that one can take the law into one's own hands whenever one feels the law hasn't been applied. I was unaware that vandalising equipment to the tune of £180,000 is "taking the law into one's own hands."

here's the thing Philocetes - the law is not decided by you. That's the point of it - it is decided by a process, a legal process.

These vandals are, in my view, motivated by an irrational and obsessive hatred of the Jewish state, as apparently are you. There are lots of things I dodn't like, or find offensive, such as your words, but I don't do whatever the hell I like because I feel "justified" in doing so. It is the excuse every terrorist uses - no-one listens to us, so to get their attention we are forced to act brutally and viciously.

It is grossly irresponsible, morally indefensible and intellectually flawed.


amber

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 22:50

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By the way Philocetes - I think you are a Jew baiter.

No apology from me.


Yvetta

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 22:51

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Philocetes, thank you. There have been a spate of genuine antisemites (in the meaning of the act)on here and when you appeared I was too hasty.
But if we accept your logic, then where will it stop? I'm a vegetarian - shall I smash up my local butcher's (there are a couple, but the one who hangs dead partridges outside his door on a narrow pavement really riles and offends me) and claim I am doing it to save a greater evil - the slaughter of innocent creatures who are capable of feeeling fear and pain?
The B-N judgment has the potential to give carte-blanche to all sorts of examples of this kind.


Yvetta

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 22:55

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telegramsam, I remember that Jonathan had to shell out a fairly steep sum to obtain that transcript, and worked like a trojan to make its findings known.


amber

Thu, 10/07/2010 - 23:33

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Philocetes, I base that on a rather disgusting rant you wrote on Richard Millett's blog, delegitimizing the whole Jewish state - and almost every Jew in it.

Turns out it has nothing to do with this case, or Judea and Samaria - and everything to do with your hatred of Israel itself.


telegramsam

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 00:59

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Jonathan, It is libel when you accuse somebody of something after they have been found not guilty of that same something in a court of law.
You've investigated me? I'm honoured. A number of people are on my case? I am doubly honoured. Are they the same people who told you you could say you knew who I was?
From what I can tell from going through his posts, not easy because there isn't much of a search engine here, Zarfati was/is an anti-Zionist Israeli. I am neither anti-Zionist nor Israeli.
Do you decide who posts here?


telegramsam

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 01:08

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Yvetta, if he did pay out heavily, chapeau, but they saw him coming. Why all this bigging up?


Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 13:37

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Times p21 covers it (no link available as far as I can see)


mattpryor

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 15:01

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Yvetta's friend Daphne Anson has also blogged it:

http://www.daphneanson.blogspot.com/

(I hope she doesn't mind me posting the link)


Yvetta

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 15:08

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Our Daph again, huh? She posted something about you the other day, Matt - stole it straight off of here as bold as brass, but did have the goodness to say so.


Isca Stieglitz

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 15:19

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I took this up when Jonathan first posted about it and he suggested that people make a complaint. I can confirm that the transcript I read had to be paid for.

I borrowed it from a friend.


mattpryor

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 15:20

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Ooh, I'm honoured!


Yvetta

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 15:24

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I was about Son of Hamas


yankeeuxb (not verified)

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 15:30

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''Scenes of devastation'

The transcript said: "I am going to start with the background relating to Israel and Palestine and to the evidence which points to the war crimes being committed by Israel in Gaza, an area over which Israel has imposed a blockade.

"The evidence shows that those war crimes are committed against the civilian population of Gaza and against the property of its residents, including the United Nations by the Israeli Forces.

"Now you have to look at the evidence coldly and dispassionately.

"It may be as you went through what I can only describe as horrific scenes, scenes of devastation to civilian population, scenes which one would rather have hoped to have disappeared with the Nazi regimes of the last war, you may have felt anger and been absolutely appalled by them, but you must put that emotion aside."

hear, hear.


stephenb

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 15:36

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well


amber

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 16:08

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yankeeuxb, comparisons between Israel and Nazis is just plain antisemtitism - by the EU's own working definition.

They are also unrtue.


Philocetes (not verified)

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 19:11

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Amber posts: "I was unaware that vandalising equipment to the tune of £180,000 is "taking the law into one's own hands."

Amber, your forcing me to say this: There are things more important than money; HUMAN LIVES for example. Regardless of the amount of financial damage caused, the EDO factory was a factory of death and by decommissioning the complex, the activists took the moral high ground. It’s about time something like this was done.

You also say: "These vandals are, in my view, motivated by an irrational and obsessive hatred of the Jewish state, as apparently are you". Just because someone or a group of people values human life more than financial loss does not mean they have an irrational and obsessive hatred of the Jewish State, though the "Jewish State" unfortunately has a lot to account for.

You also don't know me, so don't assume I have an irrational and obsessive hatred hatred of Israel. Have you ever heard of "tough love"?

Your apologies are accepted in advance Amber.

And please, no comments from the clown.


Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 19:26

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F" ....by decommissioning the complex"

Don't use f'ing euphemisms. They caused £180,000 of damage.

" ....someone or a group of people values human life more than financial loss"

Don't be such a t*at. Protecting the lives of its citizens was the reason Israel went into Gaza - in other words, valuing human life. And the £180,000 was not a financial loss to the criminals who attacked EDO. It was a loss to EDO.


Philocetes (not verified)

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 19:38

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How can you seriously say that? Are you trying to wind me up or provoke others to join in?

How many Israelis lost their lives in Gaza? Or are you referring to the firecrackers that were lobbed into Israel; the desperate acts of a desperate people who were, and continue to be, treated like human rubbish.

Israel does not value human life Jonathan, but I know from experience that it will not register with you. And believe me, £180,000 is a DROP in the bucket to EDO. This is why these things should be repeated again and again, just like what's happening over at Ahava.


stephenb

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 19:46

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Anyone who thinks SMASHEDO has been sent for an " early bath " very badly needs to go to youtube and search

SEXY BRIGHTON AND HOVE SMASHEDO

and

Graham Bartlett appeals to Smash EDO protesters

hope springs eternal i guess


stephenb

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 20:10

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Well I spent the whole of last evening and most of today looking at this case including talking to some people who, while not directly involved in this case, were " closely associated " with it. koff

And as I suspected all is not as it would seem if one just read the JC blogs and Joshua Rosenberg etc etc

The pre trial interaction between the defence lawyers and the judge didn't give any indication that the judge was sympathetic to the defence case. Rather the contrary in fact.

The jury seemed like a bunch of regular people who didnt understand what was going on. They broke into the factory and smashed it all up. They are guilty. Why are we even here ?

The first week of the trial changed everything. It was taken up with the evidence and cross examination of the main prosecution witness, the comany's managing director. He and his evidence, was, by all accounts, torn to pieces by a QC representing one of the defendants. His evidence was to put it at the very mildest, evasive, shifty and inconsistent to the extent that pressing for him to be charged with perjury remains a live option. The judges growing irritation with the witness was plain for all to see and the jury's body language changed entirely.

The jury then heard two weeks of evidence from defence witnesses including harrowing details of the atrocities being perpetrated in Gaza at the time in question. Several of the jurors were reduced to tears.

There then followed a pathetically weak closing speech from the prosecuting counsel that entirely focussed on one narrow point that the jury must have thought irrelevant.There then was a powerful closing speech from one of the defence QC's.

The reality is that the jury were already " minded " long before the judges summing up.

And yes Jonathan the solicitors representing the defendants were indeed Bindmans. How did you guess ? o)) o))) o)))


stephenb

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 20:22

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maybe we should have a whip round to help jonathan pay for a transcript of the whole trial


Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 20:51

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How I love to see the haters' knickers in a twist after the Judge was rightly censured by the Lord Chancellor for being a biased plonker!


Jonathan Hoffman

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 20:57

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"The jury then heard two weeks of evidence from defence witnesses ..."

Like Dr Mandy Turner, an academic from Bradford University - an Israel demoniser and CIF Israel-bashing contributor..........

http://www.lphr.org.uk/letters/2009/LPHR_letter_Guardian_07_01_09.doc


telegramsam

Fri, 10/08/2010 - 21:32

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Seems to me that the only ones getting their "knickers in a twist" are those who sought transcripts of a doddery, old part-time judge's summing up whose censure means very little to him and absolutely nothing to the outcome of the trial. Talk about wasting time and money.

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